tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post6219423989102452101..comments2024-03-27T15:07:31.495-04:00Comments on <b><center>Unorthodox-Jew </center></b> <br><small>A Critical View of Orthodox Judaism</small>: RABBIS DECLARE CONVICTED DAUGHTER RAPIST - INNOCENT!Paul Mendlowitzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05887774341136059873noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-61556482716045692612011-01-16T17:20:03.854-05:002011-01-16T17:20:03.854-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.5 Townshttp://www.liherald.com/fivetowns/fivetowns/stories/CRIME-WATCH,29123?page=2&content_sourcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-37435486781187952362011-01-16T17:13:17.467-05:002011-01-16T17:13:17.467-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.5 Townsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-17188286112148093882011-01-16T17:11:09.004-05:002011-01-16T17:11:09.004-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.5 Townsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-11230960623623534692011-01-15T23:09:50.949-05:002011-01-15T23:09:50.949-05:00To add insult to injury, you decided to put down t...To add insult to injury, you decided to put down the Beth Din of Rabbi Bentzion Wosner. It could be said, that if I disregard a Beth Din, well, I am not orthodox. But what gives you the right to go Beth Din shopping. That is what really happened. YM came to the Beth Din, but then he saw that they had the Stauber letter. YM stormed out and yelled out a NEDER (vow or oath), that he will not ever come to this Beth Din. So how can you claim, that the Beth Din, probably never saw him, when the facts are otherwise.<br /><br />Finally, you make the bogus statement, “There are many sites on the Internet where you can listen to phone conversations of the mother, and what a low-life she is.” Please allow me to ask, how do you know that no one tampered with the tape. The fact is, that during the trial, YM tried to submit into evidence a tape in Yiddish, purporting to prove that he innocent. But after the US Department of Justice tried to authenticate it, they discovered that is had been tampered and spliced. His lawyers withdrew the tape and the Judge mentioned that, (see page 12 note 9 of the ruling of the motion for dismissal. So your argument that the tapes prove that his ex-wife is not religious, cannot, and should not be relied on.<br /><br />In conclusion, I understand your motive but the fact remains, that you failed to advance even one single argument of fact that has validity. Literally, every point you try to argue is nonsense. Moreover, you expose your illogical critical thinking. I believe that, no matter what you are told, you will not reflect, and change your point of view. Therefore, Gimple, let me be crystal clear; I am writing this, not for you, but for the reading audience.<br /><br />Leo (Lipa) Weingarten, January 13. 2011<br /><br />http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/JJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-10386381574652777752011-01-15T23:09:03.899-05:002011-01-15T23:09:03.899-05:00Your other point was, that “ they all investigated...Your other point was, that “ they all investigated and went thru the whole story, and didn’t find ANY evidence on earth that there is any truth in this story.” Well that is a lie. None of these so-called Rabbis ever talked to my niece or to me to ascertain what we had to say. Is it, because we were not Orthodox in 2008? You could say that about us. But how can they really claim that they investigated all the facts surrounding this case, when they never even made a courtesy phone call to either of us. In addition, in 1995-1996 when my niece was only 15-16 years old, she was an orthodox girl. At that point in time, why would she even contemplate a charge of molestation at the tender age of 15? There is no rational explanation, but, that it is true.<br /><br />Furthermore, you are boasting, “I can go on and on, and write here [,] books of evidence that he is COMPLETELY INNOCENT,” but the fact is, that in this post you did not advance even one argument that actually points to his innocence. Enumerating how many Rabbis support him is not evidence of innocence. So please enlighten us with facts, or don’t try to advance an argument without real proof.<br /><br />Additionally, you argue that “Can you explain me why a Yid like him, a Yerei Shamayim in all Taryag Mitzvos, and known as a holy man by his entire family and Yeshiva, and had no molesting history at all.” Well if he is so holy, please explain to us, why YM was thrown out of the Nitra Yeshiva when he was around 15-16 for sexual misconduct? Under normal circumstances, I would never equate sexual exploration with pedophilia. But since he was preying on children as an adult I can easily infer that YM, was a pedophile in the making. The Nitra episode was not just sexual exploration.JJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-40392827942887102212011-01-15T23:07:28.393-05:002011-01-15T23:07:28.393-05:00In regard to your second assertion, that there is,...In regard to your second assertion, that there is, “NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER from anyone in the world for the other side, besides the girls own words.” One; you gloss over what I am saying; maybe because I am not orthodox, therefore, I don’t count. Well then let me inform you, that there are four married nieces and nephews in Satmar who claim that they were also molested but did not want to testify in open court, because, of the stigma in the Chasidic community. Furthermore, can you explain to us, why my oldest brother, Yitzchak Lieb, never came to the trial to show any support for YM? And neither did any of his children or the husbands and wives of his children. Ask yourself why? It was because, they knew who the true YM is.<br /><br />You refer to Stauber’s son, he was a student of YM after the episode. You are either mistaken or you are deliberately lying. The fact is, that he was not a student at the time when my niece was removed from YM’s control. Therefore, stop arguing points that can be easily proven to be lies. Moreover, you try to minimize the damage that the Stauber letter inflicted on YM, with this nonsense, “Everyone is pinpointing their fingers to Rabbi Mordchai Stauber’s letter, which itself is nothing more than repeating what the girl said”. Are you arguing that because the pedophile is smart enough to cover his tracks and we only have an accuser, we should never ever believe any molestation victim, because there is no other witness? Are you really claiming that it could not happen because you would only believe it if the act were done in public, for all to see, like the story of Zimri and Cozbi? Are you for real?<br /><br />Your other argument is that there are no Rabbis who support the other side, meaning my niece. To begin with, If possible, let me try to reason with you. Do you expect YM to go to these Rabbis and tell them that indeed he is a pedophile? During the sentencing, the defense pointed out Rabbi Tuvia Weiss from Israel, and that he came to show support for YM. When the Judge started to announce the sentence he was going to impose on YM, he acknowledged Rabbi Weiss, and others who came to support YM. But, the Judge said, ‘it makes perfect sense, that these people believe 100 percent in YM’s innocence, because no sane person would go and tell other Rabbis, about his sexual prowess. Therefore, it is not extraordinary, that they are supporting YM.’ Well do I need to add anything; I say no.JJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-78095965316748369532011-01-15T23:06:58.578-05:002011-01-15T23:06:58.578-05:00To add insult to injury, you decided to put down t...To add insult to injury, you decided to put down the Beth Din of Rabbi Bentzion Wosner. It could be said, that if I am dismissing the Beth Din, well, I am not orthodox. But what gives you the right to go Beth Din shopping? That is what really happened. YM came to the Beth Din, but when he saw that they had the Stauber letter: YM stormed out and yelled out a NEDER [vow or oath], that he will not ever come to this Beth Din. So how can you claim, that the Beth Din, probably never saw him, when the facts are otherwise.<br /><br />Finally, you make the bogus statement, “There are many sites on the Internet where you can listen to phone conversations of the mother, and what a low-life she is.” Please allow me to ask, how do you know that no one tampered with the tape. The fact is, that during the trial, YM tried to submit into evidence a tape in Yiddish, purporting to prove that he innocent. But after the US Department of Justice tried to authenticate it, they discovered that is had been tampered and spliced. His lawyers had to withdraw the tape and the Judge mentioned that, (see page 12 note 9 of the ruling of the motion for dismissal. So your argument that the tapes prove that his ex-wife is not religious, cannot, and should not be relied on.<br /><br />In conclusion, I understand your motive but the fact remains, that you failed to advance even one single argument of fact that has validity. Literally, every point you try to argue is nonsense. Moreover, you expose your illogical critical thinking. I believe that, no matter what you are told, you will not reflect, and change your point of view. Therefore, Gimple, let me be crystal clear; I am writing this, not for you, but for the reading audience.<br /><br />There is no way that she was able to figure out what YM did to me.JJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-37715322609480117542011-01-15T23:06:22.622-05:002011-01-15T23:06:22.622-05:00Your other argument is that there are no Rabbis wh...Your other argument is that there are no Rabbis who support the other side, meaning my niece. To begin with, If possible, let me try to reason with you. Do you expect YM to go to these Rabbis and tell them that indeed he is a pedophile? During the sentencing, the defense pointed out Rabbi Weiss from Israel, and that he came to show unequivocal support for YM. When the Judge started to announce the sentence he was going to impose on YM, he acknowledged Rabbi Weiss, and others who came to support YM. But, the Judge said, ‘it makes perfect sense, that these people believe 100 percent in YM’s innocence, because no sane person would go and tell other Rabbis, about his sexual prowess. Therefore, the judge continued, it is not extraordinary, that they are supporting YM.’ Well do I need to add anything; I say no.<br /><br />Your other point was, that “ they all investigated and went thru the whole story, and didn’t find ANY evidence on earth that there is any truth in this story.” Well that is a lie. None of these so-called Rabbis ever talked to my niece or to me to ascertain what we had to say. Is it, because we were not Orthodox in 2008? You could say that about us. But how can they really claim that they investigated all the facts surrounding this case, when they never even made a courtesy phone call to either of us. In addition, in 1995-1996 when my niece was only 15-16 years old, she was an orthodox girl. At that point in time, why would she even contemplate a charge of molestation at the tender age of 15? There is no rational explanation, but, that it is true.<br /><br />Furthermore, you are boasting, “I can go on and on, and write here [,] books of evidence that he is COMPLETELY INNOCENT,” but the fact is, that in this post you did not advance even one argument that actually points to his innocence. Enumerating how many Rabbis support him is not evidence of innocence. So please enlighten us with facts, or don’t try to advance an argument without real proof.<br /><br />Additionally, you argue “Can you explain me why a Yid like him, a Yerei Shamayim in all Taryag Mitzvos, and known as a holy man by his entire family and Yeshiva, and had no molesting history at all.” Well if he is so holy, please explain to us, why YM was thrown out of the the Nitra Yeshiva when he was around 15-16 for sexual misconduct? Under normal circumstances, I would never equate the sexual exploration of a teenager with pedophilia. But since he was preying on children as an adult I can easily extrapolate that YM, was a pedophile in the making. The Nitra episode was not just sexual exploration.JJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-61832562231272736192011-01-15T23:04:40.829-05:002011-01-15T23:04:40.829-05:00From Frum Follies
http://frumfollies.wordpress.co...From Frum Follies<br /><br />http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/<br /><br />Guest Post by Leo Weingarten<br /><br />Gimple,<br /><br />Before I start to refute your assertions, let me challenge you to disclose your full name. As far as I am concerned, I put my name is out there and so should you.<br /><br />Now before you assert that you “know for a million percent that this whole thing is one big lie” please allow me to point out to you and the readers that a negative is impossible to prove. You can never ever claim that you know that he is one million percent innocent. Therefore, from the beginning we know that you are using hyperbole to argue your view. On the other hand I know that Yisroel Moshe (YM) molested me. Therefore I can easily infer that YM also molested his daughter. In fact, the description of the molestation my niece gave when she testified in open court was eerily very similar to what he did to me. There is no way that she was able to figure out what YM did to me.<br /><br />In regard to your second assertion, that there is, “NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER from anyone in the world for the other side, besides the girls own words.” To begin with, you gloss over what I am saying; maybe because I am not orthodox, therefore, I don’t count. Well then let me inform you, that there are four nieces and nephews who are married and belong to Satmar who claim that they were also molested too but did not want to testify in open court because of the stigma in the Chasidic community. Furthermore, can you explain to us, why my oldest brother, Yitzchak Lieb, never came to the trial to show any support for YM? And neither did any of his children or the husbands and wives of his children, in total, fifteen adults. Ask yourself why? It was because they knew who the true YM was.<br /><br />You refer to the Stauber son who you claim was a student of YM after the removal of my niece. Either you are mistaken or you are deliberately lying. The fact is, that he was not a student at the time when my niece was removed from YM’s control. Therefore, stop arguing points that can be easily proven as lies. Moreover, you try to minimize the damage that the Stauber letter inflicted on YM, with this nonsense, “Everyone is pinpointing their fingers to Rabbi Mordchai Stauber’s letter, which itself is nothing more than repeating what the girl said”. Are you arguing that because the pedophile is smart enough to cover his tracks and we only have an accuser, we should never ever believe any molestation victim, because usually there is no other witness? Are you really claiming that it could not happen because you would only believe it if the act were done in public, for all to see, like the story of Zimri and Cozbi? Are you for real?JJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-35072673083202504442011-01-15T23:02:43.670-05:002011-01-15T23:02:43.670-05:00"In like fashion, look at the outcry against ..."In like fashion, look at the outcry against Moshe Green and the nebech rabbis who went to console sex criminal Yisroel Moshe Weingarten an adult man of 60,"<br /><br />Where is the outcry? Where is the outcry is n the mainstream yiddish press?JJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-67747611299328029072011-01-15T22:38:12.336-05:002011-01-15T22:38:12.336-05:00Yudi Kolko, still a free man living in Flatush and...Yudi Kolko, still a free man living in Flatush and davening by Weinfeld, dug his car out of the snow last week and offered some Jews a ride.<br /><br />A young boy saw and said "I would like a ride too, but there is no room left for me is there?"<br /><br />To which Yudi replied, "No problem, I can shtup you in the back."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-17372727062190536012011-01-15T20:13:45.808-05:002011-01-15T20:13:45.808-05:00Interesting that Yated USA carries a ban on the In...Interesting that Yated USA carries a ban on the Internet when Matzav.com is Pinny Lifshitz's site.<br /><br />Who do you think is the "Rabbi Rivlin" who attacked Harry Maryles so viciously last week?Pinny Lifshitz = Matzavnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-32064056261047638062011-01-14T17:20:33.420-05:002011-01-14T17:20:33.420-05:00Two priests are in a Vatican bathroom using the ur...Two priests are in a Vatican bathroom using the urinals. <br /><br />One of them looks at the other one's penis and notices there's a Nicorette patch on it.<br /> <br />He looks at the other priest and says, "I believe you're supposed to put that patch on your arm or shoulder, not your penis". <br /><br />The other one replies, "It's working just fine. I'm down to two butts a day".Zweibel To Dolan Continuednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-52494777488024101952011-01-14T16:43:45.581-05:002011-01-14T16:43:45.581-05:00Filed at 4:09 p.m. EST
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Inte...Filed at 4:09 p.m. EST<br /><br />WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service is making it easier for whistle-blowers to collect rewards for turning in big-time tax cheats.<br /><br />The agency proposed new rules Friday that are expected to jumpstart a 5-year-old whistle-blower program designed to entice people to turn in businesses or individuals trying to bilk the government out of $2 million or more in taxes.<br /><br />Under the old rules, whistle-blowers could only get rewards if their tips resulted in businesses or individuals paying additional taxes. The new rules would qualify whistle-blowers for rewards if their tips prevented businesses or individuals from claiming fraudulent tax refunds.Putting Margo on noticehttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/14/business/AP-US-IRS-Whistle-blowers.html?hpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-42850944213438710352011-01-14T16:19:39.973-05:002011-01-14T16:19:39.973-05:00Part Two:
How about a denunciation and condemnati...Part Two:<br /><br />How about a denunciation and condemnation of the ongoing chilul Hashem by the three amoral and immoral stooges, Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer who in spite of severe crimes that forced their resignations from responsible positions: Tropper was forced to resign from his yeshiva, Hersh was forced to resign from his post as a CEO at Hatzola, Kranczer was forced to resign as head of his school, and with their faults and perversions attested to by close family and associates and revealed in the general media and posted online for the world to see the hypocrisy, the Aguda rabbis have obviously chosen to go to war on fake and false grounds. <br /><br />Tyrants often start wars by looking for a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_belli" rel="nofollow">casus belli</a> (Latin expression meaning the justification for acts of war) and in this case the Haredist rabbis are claiming that it's because of "offensive images" which is admittedly a problem, but that is not the REAL problem that threatens THEM. <br /><br />Just add up what all the banners are saying against VIN, against Harry Maryles, against the Internet and what comes through loud and clear is that they are in a cold panic about the tearing away of their lies and cover-ups and hypocrisy forcing them to launch their new types of cyber wars against ALL their critics. <br /><br />But they are fighting a losing battle. Don't they get that the Internet is on every BlackBerry, lots of cell phones, and almost all the hand-held communications devices that almost every chosid and yeshiva guy or girl either owns or uses at home from their parents? Or that E-commerce is bigger than old-fashioned "retail" sales in stores? Or that this is the Information Age and that we're all wired and hooked up and irrevocably linked to computers that is twinned to the Internet at its core no matter which side we look? What nonsense are they saying? Sure kids and adults need self-control, but reading them the riot act as a cover-up for not dealing with bigger problems is not the way to solve klal Yisrael's problems.<br /><br />Wake up Moetzes no one is fooled by your fake acts of piety. Start dealing with the real problems in your midst, and you will gain some respect from the people you are alienating with your words that fall on deaf ears.Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer-Gedolim condemn Internetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-91269368361950085632011-01-14T16:19:12.770-05:002011-01-14T16:19:12.770-05:00Part One:
News flash, hot of the press, anyone wh...Part One:<br /><br />News flash, hot of the press, anyone who has seen the latest USA Yated can read the latest denunciation of the Internet by the Moetzes Council of Torah Sages of Agudath Israel of America:<br /><br />On page 33 of January 14, 2011 Yated Ne'eman, in Hebrew with English translation a full page "Kol Koreh" against the Internet, signed by Rabbis Aron Shechter, Aron Feldman, Avroham Levin, Harari Raful, Dovid Feinstein, Aryeh Kotler, Shmuel Kaminetsky, Yaakov Perlow, Yitzchok Feigelstock, Simcha Eherenfeld.<br /><br />It's obviously an all-out cyber war and they are running scared. They are implying that the "real" dangers of the net are "offensive images" and other "serious transgressions" so they say "Internet usage should by all means be avoided in homes, and wherever possible, also in business offices" and sure they worry mostly about children who "should not be given internet [sic] access" and if you must have "internet [sic] access" it is "prohibited to have internet [sic] access without filters" and "that internet [sic] users install software that reports their internet [sic] usage to a third party." Signed: "MOETZES GEDOLEI HATORAH OF AMERICA" (all but one in their ninth decade of life and showing it badly.)<br /><br />Now all this stuff is nothing new, but its timing coming so close on the heels of the attack and ban of the VIN news blog, then the attack on Harry Maryles himself, and now a paid for message (they are paying for it aren't they or do they get free ads in the Yated on demand?), added to others that are being pressured to reduce their critical comments online shows that they are running scared. <br /><br />Unlike the adage that teaches, "I have met the enemy, and it is me" they live in denial and imagine in such incredibly out of touch words that the "enemy" is the "internet" (it's usually spelled "Internet") that's the "big bad wolf" -- but imagine if for once in their lives they denounced one of their own real-life big bad wolves instead of giving them their full support. (see Part Two)Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer-Gedolim condemn Internetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-71242953692249763562011-01-14T15:04:10.099-05:002011-01-14T15:04:10.099-05:00No disagreement here Steve, none!
The damage that...No disagreement here Steve, none!<br /><br />The damage that was done by the anti-Semitism shrieks by many Rubashkin supporters (not all) has to be addressed, and I believe that Pinny came around on that.<br /><br />That does not in any way diminish the damage done to Jews, kids, and non-Jewish people and all sane people, by the Agudah and the other mental midgets masquerading as representatives of the Jewish people.Paul Mendlowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887774341136059873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-77039934736848427402011-01-14T14:40:05.754-05:002011-01-14T14:40:05.754-05:00Krauthammer said the President rose to occasion, a...Krauthammer said the President rose to occasion, and was unbelievably "inspirational." Krauthammer said the President was "quite remarkable, extremely effective" and "extremely succesful." When Hume was invited to criticize the speech as "political" he defended the President by saying the message was bound to be political since he is, after all, the President. Hume praises the President for adapting to the mood of the audience, and states he is likely to benefit politically from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-25825285639337016652011-01-14T14:19:57.359-05:002011-01-14T14:19:57.359-05:00But this???? An outright assault on our justice sy...<i>But this???? An outright assault on our justice system, our country, and any sense of right and wrong!</i><br /><br />UOJ, I'm afraid it's a lot more than that. It's an assault on Weingarten's victims. It's an assault on all child sexual abuse victims. It's an assault on child abuse victims' advocates. It's an assault on all of our children. It's an assault on any sense of morality and human decency. Moreover, it's an assault on our holy Torah by these reshaim who pretend to be its followers based on their garb and facial hair. This is the absolute abyss, the 50th level of tumah, the lowest of lows. Like Elior Chen and his supporters, for Weingarten and his gang there is no way out of this abyss. <br /><br />Matzav, Pinny Yated, Zwiebel, Shafran and Agudah can continue to give their tacit support to such evil. They are only fooling themselves. Nobody is buying their Al Jazeera/Pravda style propaganda anymore. They continue to underestimate the intelligence of the silent majority of the Orthodox community that has HAD IT already with all the scandals, coverups and phony pidyon shvuyim campaigns. We are sick and tired of it all. It's about time all these enablers let the American justice system do its job so that they can prosecute the criminals and remove them from our midst. It's time to give the victims the support and encouragement to go to the police and to testify against their tormentors. It's about time we start supporting the victims and not the criminals. It's time for the silent majority to stop being silent and to come out and attack these perversions- sexaul perversions, perversions of justice and pervsersions of halacha!stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-23884613978143646822011-01-14T14:19:55.376-05:002011-01-14T14:19:55.376-05:00Beck on AZ Memorial: Obama Truly Was the President...Beck on AZ Memorial: Obama Truly Was the President of the United States of America.Glenn Beck Copies UOJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-154611476435610342011-01-14T12:04:39.127-05:002011-01-14T12:04:39.127-05:00Pinchos Lipschutz did the right thing at the last ...Pinchos Lipschutz did the right thing at the last Rubashkin gathering to attempt to keep the focus on "one" judge, "one" harsh sentence, "one"...... and not attack the entire justice system or the USA...thanks Pinchos for understanding that and putting up the American flag on the podium... one must always acknowledge a good deed.... <br /><br />But this???? An outright assault on our justice system, our country, and any sense of right and wrong!Paul Mendlowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887774341136059873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-45371038530326558152011-01-14T11:42:09.109-05:002011-01-14T11:42:09.109-05:00Save it - when a child leaves the fold of Judaism,...Save it - when a child leaves the fold of Judaism, give this obscenity to their family!Paul Mendlowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887774341136059873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-45519889929438369652011-01-14T11:23:57.225-05:002011-01-14T11:23:57.225-05:00UOJ, where did this come from? Shmate neeman? or H...UOJ, where did this come from? Shmate neeman? or HaIgnaramous? I want to tear it out and save it for the chometz burning ritualAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-17500441858208856612011-01-14T09:26:19.733-05:002011-01-14T09:26:19.733-05:00The Guardian
"Silvio Berlusconi investigated...The Guardian<br /><br />"<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/14/berlusconi-investigated-teenage-prostitution-case" rel="nofollow">Silvio Berlusconi investigated in teenage prostitution case</a><br /><br />Italian prime minister also suspected of abusing position by putting pressure on police <br /><br />John Hooper in Rome <br />guardian.co.uk, <br />Friday 14 January 2011 11.38 GMT<br /><br />[Silvio Berlusconi has been formally made a suspect in cases involving teenage prostitution and abuse of position. Photograph: Filippo Monteforte/AFP/Getty Images]<br /><br />Silvio Berlusconi has been formally placed under investigation on suspicion of paying for sex with a 17-year old girl, according to a statement issued today by prosecutors in Milan.<br /><br />He was further accused of abusing his position as Italy's prime minister by bringing pressure to bear on the police to cover up his alleged relationship with the girl, who was working as a prostitute. The two alleged offences carry sentences totalling 15 years in jail.<br /><br />The statement said Berlusconi, who has not been charged, had been invited to present himself for questioning. The prosecutors said he had been formally made a suspect on 21 December, but the news only broke today on the website of the Italian daily Corriere della Sera.<br /><br />Berlusconi's legal team said today the investigation was "absurd and groundless" and the allegations raised had already been denied by the main figures in the case. They called the inquiry a "very serious interference in the private life" of the prime minister.<br /><br />The reported investigation concerns Karima el-Mahroug, otherwise known as Ruby Rubacuori or Ruby Heartstealer, a then 17-year-old Moroccan girl who told investigators last year that she had attended parties at Berlusconi's villa near Milan. One of these, she was reported to have said, ended in an erotic game known to participants as "bunga bunga".<br /><br />The case came to light after Mahroug, first named in some reports as Karima Keyek, was arrested last May on suspicion of theft. She had run away from a care home, but instead of being returned to care she was handed over to a confidante of the prime minister, Nicole Minetti.<br /><br />A half-British former showgirl, Minetti became Berlusconi's dental hygienist and, soon afterwards, a regional parliamentarian for his Freedom People movement. Corriere said police raided her office in Milan this morning.<br /><br />Minetti is already under investigation for aiding and abetting prostitution, along with two other close associates of the prime minister, a newscaster on one of his three television channels and a showbusiness talent scout. Corriere reported that the police attempted to search the office of another Berlusconi confidante, but withdrew after it was claimed that the premises were covered by parliamentary immunity.<br /><br />The age of sexual consent under Italian law is 14, but paying for sex with a prostitute under 18 is an offence that carries a sentence of up to three years. Politicians and others found guilt of abusing their position risk jail sentences of up to 12 years.<br /><br />Berlusconi, who spent part of this morning meeting with his lawyers, gave no immediate reaction, but his education minister, Mariastella Gelmini, said the prime minister was the "object of persecution by certain prosecution services"."Silvio Berlusconi channels Leib Troppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21519732.post-82392230501739682002011-01-14T04:52:55.840-05:002011-01-14T04:52:55.840-05:00Part Three:
Gershon Kranczer, Have You No Shame?
...Part Three:<br /><br /><b>Gershon Kranczer, Have You No Shame?</b><br /><br />When did you first practice incest? Were you a victim of sexual molestation because that is usually how molesters are incubated and created? Just what was going on in your mind when you spent endless hours on the phone and in real life asking questions from your "da'as Toireh gedoileem" while at the same time, as was uncovered (bad pun here) by authorities that you were cavorting with your own daughters and then even broke your sons into doing it like you? Can you explain yourself in any way, not including denial of course? Are you a secret follower of Shabtai Tzvi and Jacob Frank -- also notorious "rabbis" who broke down Judaism's laws of sexual morality and justified perversions? Are you nuts? How did you get your kids to remain silent for so long? How did you "convince" your wife to shut up and even drive you to the airport to escape justice? What is life like as a fugitive from USA law which you studied yourself at NYU Law School? Who helped you escape and who is hiding you and your son Osher Anshil? Do they know they are abetting a criminal make themselves as guilty as you? What will be the fate of your utterly destroyed and shamed family? Then again, don't you think they are better off without you around to molest them? When will you come out of hiding and face up to the consequences of your actions?<br /><br />This is not all that could be asked nor should questions be limited to Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer, but if Matzav.com could start with focusing on the likes of this small group of wrongdoers and leave the likes of high-minded clean cut clean as a whistle "Mr. Clean" Harry Maryles alone, then maybe Matzav.com would gain some credibility, until then they are no better than Pravda, the official mouthpiece of Russian failed and reviled communism.Questions for Matzav.com fromTropper-Hersh-Kranczernoreply@blogger.com