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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4140342/First-Family-waiting-starts-Inauguration-Day-church.html
Friday Night Kabbalat Shabbos With Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump - The "Jews" First Dance at 3:25.....
Despite Sabbath, Ivanka Trump and Husband Celebrate Inauguration (NY TIMES NO LESS)
For Ivanka Trump
and her husband, Jared Kushner, celebrating the presidential
inauguration by attending the gatherings on Friday night posed an
obstacle to their Orthodox Jewish observance of the Sabbath.
Ms.
Trump, President Trump’s older daughter, and Mr. Kushner got special
permission to break from strict religious laws that prohibit them from
using technology or mechanized devices, such as cars, during the
Sabbath, which begins on Friday evening.
A
Jewish person who was briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak
publicly about it said on Friday night that they were given an
exemption under the principle in Jewish law of pikuach nefesh, which
suggests preserving the safety of a specific person over any religious
consideration.
In the case of Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump, that would have meant being outside security escorts once the Sabbath had started.
Ms. Trump, who converted to Judaism, said in a Vogue magazine interview that she and her husband were “pretty observant,” keeping kosher and the Sabbath.
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| Jared Kushner - Ivanka Trump and children at the National Cathedral on Shabbos Morning |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4143164/Donald-Trump-prays-presidency-service-n-D-C.html
IVANKA TRUMP WAS CONVERTED TO JUDAISM UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE RCA AND HERSHEL SCHACHTER
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| HEAD OF RCA CONVERSION DEPARTMENT- HERSHEL SCHACHTER |
UOJ needs to sit down for this one!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4144300/Joshua-Kushner-spotted-Women-s-March.html
Jared Kushner's brother Josh attended the anti-Trump march on Shabbos by radical feminists!
UOJ, i have great respect for you and your work over the years but i think you're wrong here.
ReplyDeletethere is legitimate, longstanding halachic precedent (based on SA Yoreh Deah 178:2) allowing a jew to violate halacha to facilitate/maintain close relations with the authorities (thereby ensuring that such relationships are in place when jewish lives may be at stake). as i understand it, this is the basis for many UK chief rabbis attending various services in westminster abbey over the years.
there is a lengthy correspondence by (now disgraced) rabbi michael broyde on this topic (defending rabbi lookstein's participation in obama's prayer service in 2009): http://www.hakirah.org/Vol%208%20Broyde.pdf
whatever your opinion of trump, kushner, ivanka, etc., there is little doubt that kushner's role as a close adviser to the president could have a direct impact on life/death issues for jews. on that basis, he would certainly qualify for the referenced 'heter'
http://www.timesofisrael.com/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-reportedly-get-green-light-to-drive-to-balls-on-shabbat/
ReplyDeleteGOP Israel now backing away from knowing any legit rabbi who was "mattir" Kushner-Trump chilul Shabbos, say they were told by a Kushner relative of a "heter" from who knows who.
It is amazing the heters available to the well-connected.
ReplyDeleteI sat down ;-), then I got up...
ReplyDeleteLook, you know the rules. If at the time she stood before the Beis Din and then dunked in the mikveh she was completely sincere about her desire to live a halachic lifestyle then whatever she does now has no effect on the conversion.
ReplyDeleteWrong Garnel, I do know the rules, here they are:
ReplyDeleteRabbi Moshe Feinstein states the very marriage of a gentile woman to a non observant Jew, is equivalent to an open declaration that she will not observe the precepts. This is so, because it is highly unlikely that the gentile member of such a union, will be more committed to Judaism than her remiss Jewish husband (certainly when they are living together prior to their marriage). Unlike mental or tacit negations, explains Rav Feinstein, open declarations do invalidate conversions. When such cases appear before a rabbinical court, its members actually become witnesses to an acceptance declaration that is not sincere. Therefore, it is no longer a tacit insincerity, but rather an obvious one. As such, they are forbidden to sanction the conversion. Regardless of what this Jewish court may declare, the conversion is invalid and the person is not deemed a member of the Jewish nation. In Iggros Moshe, Letters of Moshe (Yoreh De’ah, no. 157), he writes that “According to the Law, it is certain that one who converts for the sake of marriage, does not intend to keep the commandments, and is not a proselyte at all.”
Garnel, not only is Rabbi Mendlowitz correct regarding Kushner having gone off the derech at Harvard, but Ivanka was openly disregarding Shabbos, kashrus & tznius immediately before, during & after her wedding. That is also grounds says R' Moshe to invalidate whatever the beis din put on paper.
ReplyDeleteThere is no surprise psak anymore in the age of Open Schmorthodox of which Haskel the Rascal identifies with. He is quite clear he does not require kabolas mitzvos of a "ger" among other things.
ReplyDeleteAnd the buffoon Lopatin from Chicago who now heads YCT was mattir Rahm-bo Emmanuel to make phone calls on Rosh Hashana with the bogus "reasoning" that any item potentially impacting the economy is "pikuach nefesh" and since his teacher Rabbi J.B. Soloveitchik is a "Brisker" and Brisk is machmir on pikuach nefesh, hence the "heter". When Lopatin was then mocked that Rahm-bo is married to a gentile woman, Lopatin just shrugged that it's not of his business who anyone is married to including Rahm-bo who gets kibudim in the shul & sends the little gentile offspring to Lopatin's Hebrew school.
The gedolim compared Michael Broyde to Conservative founder Zacharias Frankel. But Open Schmorthodox are like the Reform.
I have no criticism of Jared and Ivanka as individuals They just can’t represent themselves as Orthodox because their behaviour is fact not Orthodox. You can’t go to an inaugural ball on a Friday night, dance with each other where Ivanka is dressed immodestly and attend a Church. I believe the President would have respected them more had they stuck to their principles That is why the the type of conversion she obtained is highly dangerous. Their desire to be with each other took precedence over her sincere desire to be Jewish. They embraced each other before they embraced their Judaism and therefore it is very tempting and easy to compromise their Judaic requirements. Their Gentile environment by osmosis will inevitably affect them and their children.
ReplyDeleteWho is the rabbi who considered going to a ball is פקח נפש. And you are מחלל שבת Friday night you end up take your children to church in the morning. I am sure Jared's grandfather who was a holocaust survivor would have shepped nachas. Also this sets a bad example for people who have נםיון about shabbos to be מורה התיר for the ones not so.
ReplyDeleteIncredible. A voluntary decision to attend a party on Shabbat means that it can be violated because there will be increased danger if no driving occurs.
ReplyDeleteI’ve heard of tortured reasoning, but this is a whole new level. That somehow her not attending the party will be detrimental to Jews. There are so many objections to this ridiculous chain of illogic, but I will limit myself to just one:
There were no habitable residences within miles of where these parties occurred? They happened in the Arizona desert?
Next to this, the Conservative movement’s position allowing people to drive to temple on Shabbat begin to seem almost reasonable.
1)If they violate Halacha in public they should not be called Orthodox.
ReplyDelete2) maybe we can now understand why the Rabbet in Israel won’t accept conversions made by the Rabbi that converted Ivanka .Nothing against her since she I guess her conversion was with this life style in mind, and now we can argue if it is a valid conversion.
Eric Trump's wife is "Inside Edition" producer Lara Yunaska who I think we can assume is not Jewish lehalacha since her mother's maiden name is Sykes.
ReplyDeletehttp://theweek.com/articles/674540/trumps-washington-weird-portrait-new-first-family
In a similar vein, two of Donald Trump's four adult children have converted to Judaism before wedding Jewish partners (with Eric Trump's wedding taking place beneath a crystal-embellished chuppah, "because," as Tablet Magazine noted, "while the wedding may have been Jewish, it was still Trump").
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=917&pgnum=313
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