Thursday, June 04, 2020

If we don’t feel comfortable sending our children on a play date down the street, how can we possibly send them to camp with hundreds of other children?

Governor Andrew Cuomo - Cancel Sleepaway Camps!

There is an adage in medicine: “We don’t always have to be right, but we can’t afford to be wrong.”

Dr. Kass and Dr. Baren are camp doctors and emergency medicine physicians.


We grew up going to camp, as have our children. We spent a collective quarter-century as camp doctors and founded a company that advises summer camps on their health care needs. At the start of this pandemic, we predicted that camps wouldn’t operate normally this summer, if at all. Now we’ve reached a conclusion: 

Overnight camp should be canceled this summer.

We know no child or parent wants this. Nor do we. But as front line health care workers, we both contracted Covid-19, so we appreciate firsthand how much uncertainty and danger this coronavirus presents.

Federal guidance on the opening of camps has been vague and slow to come. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s recently issued information on gathering for schools and workplaces, with supplemental guidance for overnight camps. These “considerations” for overnight camps include limiting attendance to local residents, placing barriers between bathroom sinks and between beds, enforcing social distancing and sending home any campers or staff members with Covid-19 symptoms, such as fever, cough or runny nose. 

Sleepaway camps are listed as the “highest risk” category.

If followed, the guidance, which does not support any form of on-site quarantine or testing for the virus, effectively ends the feasibility of overnight camps. Without reliable testing, the inability to distinguish between other viral illnesses and Covid-19 places an enormous burden on doctors and nurses. The virus has an ever-expanding array of complications, some poorly understood, and is now being called “the great invader,” with clinical symptoms that affect nearly every organ of the body.

In camp-age children, the newly described multisystem inflammatory syndrome can be deadly. Even experienced clinicians will have a difficult time figuring out exactly what to do with a child who has seemingly benign symptoms. A cold may or may not really be a cold, and a few of these cases at a camp’s health center could effectively shut down the entire operation.

Camps are primarily in rural communities where an increasing number of Covid-19 cases are now emerging. That local rise in cases increases the risk of transmission into camps, which could overwhelm already fragile hospital systems. Infected campers can be sent to their home communities for care, but local residents rely on these hospitals, which serve some of our poorest and sickest citizens.

In Connecticut despite the governor’s executive order prohibiting overnight camp, some directors are petitioning for an exception, citing their plan to test every child before arrival or to create “quarantine bubbles.” This approach is ill advised and shortsighted. There are simply too many variables to justify a departure from tried and true public health algorithms needed to contain this serious infectious disease.

We need to act slowly and deliberately as we move through this pandemic. Each step forward must be taken in a way that enables us to also take a step back if the need arises. Overnight camps are not our next step. Anyone who says otherwise is either misinformed or not seeing the truth. As parents, we need to assume the responsibility for our children’s re-entry into a more open society.

The first groups to interact beyond quarantine should be families, not children in cabins or bunks. If we don’t feel comfortable sending our children on a play date down the street, how can we possibly send them to another state to live with hundreds of other children in a less supervised setting? Family camp, a hybrid of the camp experience restricted to family units, has been suggested as an alternative this summer. We think this model, if well thought out and executed consistently, could be both a viable and exciting alternative.

We love camp for the autonomy and freedom it offers children and the importance it plays in healthy child development. Camp affords children the opportunity to take ownership of their daily lives and to have some jurisdiction over their health in a safe environment. If we cannot offer that safe environment, we risk doing more harm than good. If we open sleepaway camps only to see them close shortly thereafter, we run the risk that our children think we don’t know how to make the right choices that keep them safe.

We know this isn’t easy to hear. This is yet another loss in the coronavirus era. As parents and doctors we understand this deeply. There is an adage in medicine: “We don’t always have to be right, but we can’t afford to be wrong.” This is especially true for a disease whose effect on children is just now coming into view.

Our children deserve to know where we stand on this issue. With the facts on the table, the responsible thing to do is cancel overnight camps now. We look forward to meeting again in the summer of 2021.

Dr. Dara Kass is an associate professor of emergency medicine at Columbia University Medical Center.

Dr. Jill M. Baren is a professor of emergency medicine, pediatrics and medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/cancel-sleepaway-camp.html


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From: Governor Cuomo
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:03 AM
To: Paul Mendlowitz
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23 comments:

  1. Anti-Philly Pro-Pikuach Nefesh2:11 PM, June 04, 2020

    Wow, powerful verter with irrefutable logic!

    The next conference call that Rebbitzen Temi Kaminetzky has with her anti-vaxx gang of yentas is going to descend into chaos! I can just see it now all the hysterical whining & gurgling, that they have to open their own secret camps because their Agudah proxies pestering the States is not working. Which Philly talmidim own large mountainous tracts of land that need to be monitored?

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  2. http://www.septa.org/

    Holy cow! I was doing my route down Drexel Rd and saw some old dude with a NY Times who was howling in distress & stomping on his own Homburg style hat.

    UOJ, don't tell me you couriered over a copy to Rabbi Kaminetzky? He was so unsettled that I didn't recognize him. I just put two & two together now.

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  3. UOJ, you're not going to get away with this after all the horvanya & all nighters that the elterren put in to giving a kickstart to summer camps! Shvantz vos du bist! We need to infect as many people as possible so that there is no point in a corona vaccine! Who do you think you are to undermine all our hard work with your Big Pharma krumkeiten?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/cancel-sleepaway-camp.html

    I'm warning you, come anywhere near here & I'll varf a jar of shmaltz herring at you!

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  4. Exclusive: Eight Prominent Rebbes to Cuomo: Allow Yeshivas to Open


    https://boropark24.com/news/either-prominent-rebbes-to-cuomo-allow-yeshivas-to-open?fbclid=IwAR0VDQ5PdG2IHhnF0grtZPM8ShKpOBU_72uHiDtr52_kjy1whpzetrSAH6I

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  5. Those Rebbes were takka the ones who opened the yeshivos in Monsey. Very confused logic there to write a letter pleading while at the same time sticking your finger in Cuomo's eye to open yeshivos without his permission.

    They might be thinking along the lines of Chazal in Amalek & ambatya rosachas which that kinuy means that when someone does something bold & forbidden, the boiling water automatically cools off which makes it easier to keep doing it.

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  6. This is the story of an Ugly Virus5:25 PM, June 04, 2020

    That's how those Rebbes became the Aivah Bunch

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  7. Barack Hussein Obumbum encourages Anarchy again9:37 PM, June 04, 2020

    Former president Barack Obama presented his take on the civil unrest that has griped the nation, urged mayors to enact policing reforms developed during HIS administration and spoke directly to young people of Color, telling them “your lives matter.”

    In his first public remarks since protests over the death of George Floyd alighted cities coast to coast, the nation’s first African American president described the events of the last week “as profound as anything that I’VE seen in MY lifetime.”

    Obama said HE sees an awakening in the country to the challenges and fears Blacks endure. The confluence of the coronavirus pandemic’s disparate effect on Black communities and the killing of Floyd, a Black man, by a police officer, who is white, has exposed America’s SYSTEMIC racial injustices, he said.

    Obama said HE'S been heartened by the young Black people mobilizing these demonstrations, noting that Black youth have led nearly every major social change in the country. He noted that unlike the 1960s civil rights movement when African Americans mostly marched alone, the protesters now represent a cross section of races.

    And he said HE'S encouraged that a majority of Americans believe the protesters are JUSTIFIED.

    “That wouldn’t have existed 30 years ago. There is a change in mind-set that’s taking place, a greater recognition that we can do better,” Obama said.

    Obama made HIS remarks during a town hall hosted by HIS nonprofit, MY Brother’s Keeper Alliance, created to address gaps in opportunity for Black men and boys.

    He focused most of his comments on the need for police reforms, imploring local leaders to implement policies devised by a task force HIS administration created after the unrest in 2014 in Ferguson, Missouri, after the killing of another Black man, Michael Brown, by a white police officer.

    Obama said that those criticizing the protests should remember that America was founded on protest.

    “And every step of progress in this country, every expression of our deepest ideals was won through efforts that made the status quo uncomfortable,” he said.

    Shortly before Obama’s event, former president Jimmy Carter released a statement on the “immorality of racial discrimination.

    “WE need a government as good as its people, and WE are better than this,” Carter said.

    Obama spoke directly to young Black people, telling them, “I want you to know that you matter. I want you to know that your lives matter, that your dreams matter.”

    “So I hope that you also feel hopeful, even as you feel angry, because you have THE POWER,” Obama continued, “and you have helped to make the entire country feel this is something that’s GOT to change.”

    Without addressing President Trump by name, Obama also called on protesters to “MAKE people in power UNCOMFORTABLE” as the nation reels from a week of violent clashes, mass looting and huge marches which have brought cities to a standstill.

    Obama said the enormous demonstrations nationwide were the result of “structural problems in the United States.”

    “They are the result of a long history of slavery and Jim Crow and redlining and institutionalized racism that have been the plague, the ORIGINAL SIN of our society,” he said.

    Obama said the mass mobilization of young people made him feel optimistic.

    “As tragic as these past few weeks have been, as difficult and scary and uncertain as they have been, they’ve also been an incredible opportunity for people to be awakened to some of these underlying trends,” he said.

    The president then offed a second sales pitch for HIS "MY Brother’s Keeper Alliance", a nonprofit run by the Obama Foundation which aims to help opportunity-starved Black men, and called on cities across the country to align with them.

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  8. Politically Incorrect10:39 PM, June 04, 2020

    How is this not a lynching of the police officers?

    Floyd is a dangerous convicted felon who was arrested for stealing. It was legal for the arresting officer to pin his neck with his knee.

    Floyd was coronavirus positive at the time of his death with 5 underlying medical conditions that made him quintuple high risk immunocompromised.

    Floyd was (1) overweight with (2) heart disease & (3) high blood pressure and he was high on the illegal narcotics (4) opioid fentanyl and (5) methamphetamine! He "couldn't breathe"? That's pretty common with virus patients who don't even have a single underlying condition, let alone FIVE. But all that the Left Wing media wants you to hear is that Floyd was a tayera baal midos who was "murdered" because this is what Trump's America is all about.

    Meanwhile a NY Fire Chief was removed from his position today because he appropriately called the rioters & looters a bunch of pavement pounding apes.

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  9. Jackie Mason aka Yankel Maza10:46 PM, June 04, 2020

    https://youtu.be/OXrVpKucSMk

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  10. Floyd sr"y actually had seven underlying conditions. When the media can no longer hide things they still don't want you to know all the details so they have only been reporting on 5 of them.

    He was also high on marijuana and as is common with Shvartzas he had sickle cell problemmen. And marijuana abuse does not just exacerbate the virus. It also induces psychotic behavior in many addicts.

    The Left Wing media orders you to take the word of Floyd's brother and make your hartz bleed borscht that Floyd had done a teshuva gemura from his long criminal history "and was just trying to turn his life around" when he was "murdered". Apparently the teshuva gemura must have taken place in the few minutes between Floyd just haven stolen from a store & being apprehended by police.

    The nignav store is owned by some dumb Arab or Pakki who joined the anti-law enforcement pile on to announce that he will never again call the police when he is the victim of a crime even if he will be arrested as it is illegal in Minnesota to not report crimes. The idyot is now being championed by the media as a hero and cheered by the Shvartzas who besides delighting in his hashkofos are probably smart enough to realize he just painted the words Free Gemach on himself.

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  11. As more and more new cases of the coronavirus are diagnosed in Israel, especially in schools, Channel 12 News spoke to Dr. Chagai Levine, the chairman of the Israeli Association of Public Health Physicians and an epidemiologist at Hebrew University’s Braun School of Public Health, asking him why there are so many cases being diagnosed among students.

    However, according to Dr. Levine, the increase in virus cases in schools is representative of a much broader problem, of an increase in cases in Israeli society in general. He believes that the only reason so many cases are being diagnosed in schools is simply because that’s where they’re “looking.”

    “It’s possible that the crowded conditions in schools caused an outbreak but on the other hand, many of these diagnosed students were asymptomatic and therefore we only identified the infections after the virus had already spread,” Dr. Levine asserted.

    “They began to test anyone in contact with confirmed carriers in schools – even those who were asymptomatic. It could be that if we were carrying out tests in other places we would also discover cases that haven’t yet been identified. In other words, this doesn’t mean that outbreaks aren’t happening in other places but that we’re simply unaware of them.”

    “Who said that there aren’t outbreaks in various workplaces? Therefore we need to carry out testing in a systematic manner. The lack of transparency of the data leads us to respond in an inaccurate manner. THERE'S CONCERN THAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS A WIDESPREAD OUTBREAK, THE 2ND WAVE, EVEN BEFORE THE WINTER.”

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  12. Maybe we will hear from Shmuel Kaminetzky that Floyd is from the yechidei segulah of baalei teshuvah shlaymim tzuzamen mit Kolko & Eisemann.

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  13. I would like to hear your thoughts, Rav Shraga. In Balto they are opening all summer camps that you are so much against. You wrote that Agudah is behind mikve openings, but in Balto they were never closed in the first place (including that secret mikve on Ner Israel campus). Unofficially, Ner Israel was never closed either — thus, the Yerooshalmy incident was possible. So what are we to make out of all these?

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  14. Speaking in general terms, the medical community, as far as I know, does not believe it is safe to bunch children together in groups for long periods of time. The children go home to their families, and infections always will spike --- look at Eretz Yisroel. When religious institutions have inherent conflicts of interest, Yeshivas, camps, Shuls etc...they can not be trusted to make the right ethical and medical decisions, they are blinded by keeping their institutions open, shul rabbis without a shul is like a baseball player without a bat --- nothing! So it's a combination of factors that collide and almost always inevitably they get it wrong for YOU - the MASSES....

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  15. "shul rabbis without a shul is like a baseball player without a bat --- nothing!"
    Kurz und scharf! Anything you say is so deep & brilliant!

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  16. https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/1268360824571277312

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  17. https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-more-virus-deaths-bring-toll-to-295-over-100-schools-shuttered/

    The Health Ministry said Saturday that 106 schools and daycare centers have been shuttered after students and teachers contracted the virus, up from 92 the day before.

    It added that 330 teachers have tested positive for the virus. Thousands more were in quarantine.

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  18. Still not as shameless as the Agudah who are sacrificing kids because their macher camp owners want to profit off more tragedy & because it fits with Philly's insane anti-vaxx shitos.

    https://www.facebook.com/autismactionnetwork/posts/2990491127672125

    Is Cuomo opening day camps to bailout camp owner and Dem party chief Jay Jacobs?

    Could it be that Cuomo is helping out his close political ally Jay Jacobs, owner of three very expensive day camps on Long Island? Jacobs owns Timber Lake Camps which runs three day camps, North Shore Day Camp, Hampton Country Day Camp and South Hampton Day Camp. Jacobs is also the Chair of the New York State Democratic Committee, and the Chair of the Nassau County Democratic Committee, in short he is the head of Democratic Party in NY next to Cuomo.

    Why don't you ask them. If rich kids can go to day camp why can't special needs children get the services and school programs they are entitled to?

    Governor Andrew Cuomo, (518) 474-8390
    Jay Jacobs, Timber Lake Camps (800) 828-CAMP

    The NYS Democratic Committee does not have a phone currently being answered.

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  19. Philly-Agudah derriere kisser Pinny Lipschutz, starting with the Yated Shavuos edition, has transformed himself into one big propaganda machine designed to lure kids to corona death traps for the summer. And Pinny's fairweather friends at Chabad are following in Fresser footsteps with Shea Hecht going around parroting the Agudah's talking points in favor of opening the camps, including to the editor of New York Times. What do you think? There are rich Lubavs who own camps just like there are Agudah Fresser types.

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  20. Finally a Bar Sechel9:47 PM, June 07, 2020

    Consulted by the NY Times, Dr. Aaron E. Carroll has conjured gossamer threads of fantasy as to how an overnight camp could be run, suggesting no congregating in dining rooms, no indoor activities, canceling camp activities when it rains and daily screenings for the virus.

    In reviewing the 2019 medical records of our six-week summer camp of 300 children, the infirmary recorded 94 visits by children who evidenced symptoms that would be considered within the Covid-19 complex. Enforcing the proper protocol today would eviscerate the camping experience before the summer had begun.

    For the greater welfare of our children, our camp board of directors made the most painful decision not to open camp this summer. As great as a camping experience can be, the welfare of all of our children takes precedence over all.

    Roger Korman, director of Camp Tel Yehudah in Barryville, N.Y.

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  21. When I headed the Agudah Fressers I instituted a new Lo Taasei that the word "molester" can never be uttered. Lo Sazkiru. Lo Yishoma al picha

    The Agudah should also make it verboten to ever utter MIS-C in case any parents get spooked away from the Philly Plan to open all summer camps or bust.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/07/864493574/doctors-race-for-answers-as-kids-fight-rare-inflammatory-syndrome-tied-to-corona

    The children with MIS-C who end up in critical care often have inflammation in their heart and in other organs, said Bell of the hospital's critical care division. He considers, as one example, the lifelong effects on a 5-year-old who has MIS-C.

    "If she has some terrible swelling from it, which could be coronary arteries that get dilated, and might have heart attacks when she's 6, that's going to affect her for 70 years of life expectancy," he said.

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