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257 comments:
1 – 200 of 257 Newer› Newest»The fact that there is no GEDOLIM statement speaks volumes.
UOJ was right they are asher yatzer gedolim.
Here's the stats this month so far on the web page we have on Kolko.
/Kolko_Yehuda.html 2701
/complaint_kolko.pdf 555 (download of complaint
i think that while margo is definetly capable of covering things up we have heard VERY LITTLE (IF ANY) CONCRETE PROOF and i dont know if this is the way to go about the prob.
and WHY ARE WE BRINGING UP THINGS FROM 30 YEARS AGO??
dont tell me cause certain people are still a danger, cause were that to be the case it would be enough just to keep that person away from kids.
and i dont believe anyhing was still happening (if anything EVER happened)because i was in TT since the 90's and have friends and relatives that are and were there and noone from any of the classes iv'e spoken to recall any prob.
It's clear to me at this point that the people who are defending Kolko will continue to do so despite any evidence. There is no way to convince them. The proof is: ask them what form of evidence would convince you that Kolko is guilty? They will not have an answer.
He needs to be out of the classroom until a full inquiry is completed by competent, uninterested third parties. Why wait 30 years? Because nobody ever had the guts to stand up and speak the truth. Thank G-d somebody finally, as an adult, is willing to come forward. We need to have a complete overhaul of how our community deals with these kinds of allegations.
"Did anyone approach the Gedolim to issue a statement?
No that I'm aware of."
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You're joking, right?
"...someone approached him and told him what it says..."
That is the problem. How can he ban something which he did not read?
Don't kid yourself. The "gedolim" know full well the need for them to issue a statement. Every single rabbi worth a nickel knows about this.
"Why do you think there was a slifkin ban, because R' Elyashiv walked into the bookstore, didn't like what he saw, and banned it?
NO! Because someone approached him and told him what it says...."
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After he was told what it says, did he read the book to verify the claims?
lakewoodyid:
Thank you for reminding everyone what their problem is with the Gedolim. You made it very clear.
Thanks to the internet and UOJ, Framowitz and others were afforded the courage and the means to finally have the opportunity to see justice. Today, information travels faster and more securely than a couple of schnorrers on an all male, first-class flight to America.
"Wild things are happening." The internet is the new rabbinical-misconduct-radar.
Like my 7th grade rebbi used to say, "It's time to shape up or ship out!"
Lakewood Yid your pureness of intent is to be commended but I fear that you are incredibly naive.
I am personally aware of an individual in Lakewood that was flashing young girls by walking around naked under his black coat and the GEDOLIM in Lakewood covered it up. I know because I was there and involved in the cover-up.
Given that this person performed these activities while under the care of the GEDOLIM did the GEDOLIM (4 of them; names not required) do the right thing?
I participated in this cover up and would like to believe that I could use the defense of "I was following Das Torah". If you think about that is a very lame excuse as it sounds very similar to "I vas chust folloving mein orders".
I should have known better since the person that abused me was shuttled from one part of Brooklyn to the another by the GEDOLIM so he could abuse another 15 kids. B"H Hashem has rachmonos on his victims; I am no longer afraid; that person is dead. But the question remains: Did the GEDOLIM do the right thing?
What is the number of Yiddishe Neshamos that we trade per Chillul Hashem?
Perhaps the GEDOLIM can provide guidelines for us?
I believe in my heart that conversations like this one are one reason why the GEDOLIM fear the internet. They want to keep us ignorant. An educated public asks questions and causes debate. The Chinese Communists fear the internet for the same reasons.
May Hakodosh Boruch Hu bless the Unorthordox Jew for providing this forum.
As a footnote, I would ask that this community (and we are one, united in our quest for the truth) to remember that we are great people and we should use this wonderful opportunity to debate facts using terminology that reflects our greatness.
and WHY ARE WE BRINGING UP THINGS FROM 30 YEARS AGO??
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Because these monsters (Kolko & Margulies) kept on doing what they do best. Kolko molested and Margulies covered up.
The incidents go back more than 40 years ago and have continued until today. The most recent lawsuit involves abuse by Kolko and intimidation by Margulies which took place around 1990. Before this matter ends, we will see 12 year old victims stepping forward.
"WHY ARE WE BRINGING UP THINGS FROM 30 YEARS AGO??"
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By your same logic, Nazi war criminals should be left alone too, right?
The wheels of justice are moving way too slowly for me.
The Nazi's stopped killing when the war ended.
Kolko/Margulies are still commiting their atrocities.
What bothers me about all this is that no one has offered an explanation of why Margo would want to protect Kolko. Everyone keeps screaming that he did; but think about it: He's a smart man, and he would never do anything to hurt his yeshiva, which is everything to him. So why didn't he push Kolko off the sled long ago? Until I get at least a semi-convincing answer to this question, I must doubt the accusations.
Yeshivaguy:
The answer has already been given. Read the previous threads.
There is no way to convince them. The proof is: ask them what form of evidence would convince you that Kolko is guilty? They will not have an answer
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all that i would need to be convinced that he is guilty is testemony by identified reliable witnesses,
or MAYBE a conviction in court.
WHAT HAS THUS BEEN SHOWN TO PROVE GUILT ASK THAT TO THE "BASHERS' AND THEY CANT ANSWER
From the latest Jewish Week
Are Blogs Kosher?
Rabbi Mark Dratch (05/25/2006)
Free-wheeling blogs — unrestricted news, opinion, and discussion Web sites that break, make and spin the latest on any number of topics — have been proliferating for years. Now there are a number of Jewish sites that scrutinize everything from Israeli politics to shul gossip.
They’re the new “Bubbie Hotline.”
Several of them have recently brought to light a number of rabbinic abuse cases and have succeeded in generating community interest and outrage, forcing a few rabbis from their positions, and casting aspersions on the characters of others.
To some, these sites are cesspools of unfettered, unaccountable tripe and vilifying slander that malign individuals and besmirch the community. To others, they are the Hyde Parks of protest and free speech, a place where victims can finally speak without fear of counter attack, and interested parties can press for justice by doing end-runs around denial and cover-up.
So are these blogs kosher — are they the right place for discriminating Jews to “chew the fat?”
There are serious issues to contemplate. Consider lashon hara, defined as reckless and harmful speech. The Torah prohibits it. Morally sensitive people are appalled by it. And the blogs seem to be full of it. Because there is no accountability, especially from those who leave anonymous comments on the threads of others’ sites, anybody can say anything about anyone. And sometimes they do. With the peck of a few letters on a keyboard, information is posted that anyone with a computer and Internet access can read, and lives and reputations can be destroyed. All of this with no due process or accountability and with no real chance of rebuttal. On some blogs you can find “dirt” that even some of the less reputable newspapers wouldn’t publish. And consider Chillul Hashem, the concern of scandal and communal disrepute. What will others say about the Jews and the Jewish community?
These concerns are serious ones and cannot be easily dismissed or pushed aside. They deal with fundamental precepts of Jewish law and the very bases of moral decency.
But denial and cover-up and dismissal of complaints and victimization of vulnerable children and adults are also serious and cannot be easily dismissed or pushed aside. Too many innocents have felt unheard, ignored, rejected, and sacrificed on the altar of public and private reputations. They have been silenced in order to protect the image of a community whose perfection exists only in their imaginations.
Too many times Jewish law and Jewish values are misapplied, misinterpreted and misappropriated in order to achieve these reprehensible ends.
There are reasons that victims, along with their supporters and advocates, have turned to the blogs, Web sites, newspapers and magazines. And that’s because too many times they first turned to rabbis and Jewish institutional leaders to complain about the abuse and violation they suffered — and they were abused again.
Can these blogs be more responsible? Yes, and they need to exercise much greater care in upholding standards of decency, fairness and justice because they, too, can be responsible for harming innocents. And Web surfers should not necessarily believe what they read on them. In fact, they should take much of what they see on these sites with less than a grain of salt.
But the blogs are here and, for now, supply a valuable service. In a community that was responsive and accountable the excesses on the blogs would be unnecessary. At the moment, there are those who feel that they have no other choice. Innocents — victims and potential victims of abuse and the values and reputation of a compassionate and valuable community — are being hurt by a community that could and should do better.
All is not bad in our community, not by a long stretch. In the past decade scores of social service programs have been started that support and advocate for victims of abuse. The Rabbinical Council of America passed new guidelines for dealing with allegations against its members and has stood strong against harsh and unfair criticism. Some rabbinical schools are focusing a bit on issues of abuse and rabbinic boundaries. And JSafe was established to create a mechanism for accountability and responsibility and to provide education and support for victims, rabbis and institutions. But there is still too much denial and obfuscation
The rabbinic bon mot, “All Jews are responsible one for another,” is more than just a nice slogan; it is a religious obligation. Judaism holds all of its adherents — clergy and laity without distinction — accountable for the spiritual and physical well-being of others. This is most certainly true when it comes to our children. They depend on us to care for them, to protect them and to nurture them. Not only do we have an obligation to them as humans deserving safe and secure lives, but as Jews in whose hands lay the destiny of our people. Safety? Security? We owe our people and future no less. We owe each and every son and daughter no less—and much, much more.
Rabbi Mark Dratch is the CEO of JSafe, an organization founded to deal with abuse in the community.
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i agree with yeshiva guy.
margo would turn on his mother in a heartbeat, you would have to come up with SERIOUS motive for him to take the hit to defend someone else
Yeshivaguy,
You certainly can't be excpected to browse through a thousand(!) comments, so here is an answer to your question.
The fact that Margo has protected Kolko through decades of accusations is convinving enough for a skeptic to believe Kolko is guilty.
Innocent or guilty, wouldn't logic dictate Kolko's removal by Margo so that his bottom line/reputation would be protected. Margo isn't stupid. He has protected Kolko all these years because he was probably scared sh**less to let him go. Kolko obviously has $ome $ort of dirt on him and Margo's gaiva never thought it would get this far. He doesn't give a crap about the kids and he loves his money more than anything.
YIDI KOLKO a/k/a YEHUDA KOLKO played together with ISRAEL BELSKY. Israel Belsky of Torah Vodaath is the "Rabbi" of Camp Agudah and since 1970 was intimately apprised of all the sexcapades and pedophile acts at that Camp and elsewhere. According to his victims at the camp,during that time, Yisroel Belsky enjoyed listening to them complain of how they were actually molested by his close friend the pedophile Yidi Kolko. Belsky would do NOTHING to stop Yidi Kolko. Is Belsky any better than Kolko? I loudly say certainly not. Shame on them both!!! Shame on Camp Agudah!!! It was only after Yidi Kolko realized that he needed more sexual control that he opened up his own CAMP MENUVAL for boys, together with Shlomie Klein.
UOJ's attacks on gedolim can not be defended on the grounds that he applies a "one strike and your out rule". in a a mindboggeling early post he showed his true agenda by creating a list of dozens of "bad" gedolim citing as their " crimes" that they "smile too much" or "can't learn".these vicious attacks were against some of the greatest rosh yehivas of our time a number of whom i know personally, having learned by them and having children in their yeshivas.nothing can ever excuse this baselees motzi shem ra against the gedolai hador.i am not adressing the propriety of his recent discussions.but i can not begin to imagine how one begins to do teshuva for making sweeping ad hominim attacks on the greatest yidden of our time. i shudder to even think that someone could ever have the nerve to callously besmirch these gedolim, who have dedicated their lives to the tzibbur.no reason was ever givin for creating this terrible "list", it appears to have been created almost in jest... before uoj became a public figure.when you beg for mechila from each of these gedolim, then you will perhaps have more credibility than Korach.
Attempting to discredit UOJ for his subjectively offensive style is "ad hominem" in its purest form. I think it was rather gracious of UOJ for limiting the "attack" on Aharon Shechter to his idiotic facial expression. Shechter is a phony, shamelessy self-promoting, meaningless Am Haaretz - at best. Cut the crap - nobody older than 40 (except for maybe Halioua) respects him. A "gadol hador" Feh, you menuval!
"all that i would need to be convinced that he is guilty is testemony by identified reliable witnesses"
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Yeh, but for every wittness that comes forward you will a find a problem that you will deem to make him unreliable.
For example, the one person to come forward by name as been deemed unreliable - why, because he came from a broken home. This ignores the fact that a predator preys on children from broken homes.
It was only after Yidi Kolko realized that he needed more sexual control that he opened up his own CAMP MENUVAL for boys, together with Shlomie Klein.
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let's not forget about Lippy Geldwirth! He had a big HAND in Camp Manavu as well.
"UOJ's attacks on gedolim can not be defended "
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Who cares about UOJ !! UOJ has not been accused of molestation - Kolko has !
when you beg for mechila from each of these gedolim, then you will perhaps have more credibility than Korach.
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Call Kolko. We have another babysitting customer for him.
This is stressing me out. I miss "Farshtoonkena." If you're reading this, PLEASE grace us with another poem.
BOTTOM LINE:
almost nothing here is posted with any credibility.
how sick to compare this story with nazi criminals.
people claim "the prob. were still going on" WHERE?? I WAS IN TT THROUGHOUT THE 90'S AND I SPOKE TO PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE THEN AND STILL ARE AND NOONE! NOONE! IN MY CLASSES OR THE CLASSES BEFORE AND AFTER ME HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT.
they say " by the time this is over there will be 12 people with claims"
WHERE ? WHERE? SO FAR I SEE ONE PERSON THAT HAS STEPPED FORTH READY TO VALIDATE HIS CLAIM -NOT HIDDING BEHIND A COMPUTER SCREEN.
1 PERSON!!!!!!!
so what are we to do kill a guy based on the unconfirmed accusation of ONE GUY??
so what are we to do kill a guy based on the unconfirmed accusation of ONE GUY??
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what planet are you from? there are three plaintiffs in federal court. there are 15 more who stepped forward in 1985. there are many more being processed as we speak. one guy? there are HUNDREDS!
by the time this is over there will be 12 people with claims"
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read: 12 year old victims. not 12 victims.
meaning kolko is still molesting. his age of choice is 9 to 12.
"Anonymous said...
so what are we to do kill a guy based on the unconfirmed accusation of ONE GUY??
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what planet are you from? there are three plaintiffs in federal court. there are 15 more who stepped forward in 1985. there are many more being processed as we speak. one guy? there are HUNDREDS!
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So what if there are hundreds, it was all done to further their yidishkeit. A mechanich knows what's best for each student - it's Daas Torha. How dare you scare bad about the Gedoilim!!
Three plaintiffs so far, and one on the way.
"I WAS IN TT THROUGHOUT THE 90'S AND I SPOKE TO PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE THEN AND STILL ARE AND NOONE! NOONE! IN MY CLASSES OR THE CLASSES BEFORE AND AFTER ME HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT."
Someone very close to me (who lives in Lakewood by the way, and is as right wing and gedolim-loving as ever) graduated from TT in the mid 90's and recently informed me that when he entered the 9th grade he was already met with warnings to stay away from Kolko (even though he was in mesivta). He and others in TT were well aware of Kolko's reputation. So, either you are lying, had no friends or spent your days at TT with your head buried deep in the ground.
"So, either you are lying, had no friends or spent your days at TT with your head buried deep in the ground."
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I think him and his friends are just plain ugly.
Yeh, but for every wittness that comes forward you will a find a problem that you will deem to make him unreliable.
For example, the one person to come forward by name as been deemed unreliable - why, because he came from a broken home. This ignores the fact that a predator preys on children from broken homes.
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STOP PROJECTING and show me a credible witness.
by reliable i mean someone who comes foreward - and exists, not just behind a computer screen.
and someone who's claim can withstand cross examination- THE SAME WAY WE WOULD BUY TESTIMONY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
So far i see one person with a sincere "CLAIM" that is fromawitz.
notice how he isnt sitting here making things up and spewing PERSONAL INSULTS that are IRRELEVANT to the real issue of if there was abuse or not - almost makes framowitz believable, unlike the smokeblowers here, whos answer to everything is well I WOULD answer but then....... and you WOULD say.....
STOP PROJECTING IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER SPEAK UP IF NOT - THEN HUT THE HELL UP!
Are you people morons?
Why when Yudi was confronted by a victim at a bris did he slink away in shame instead of defend himself?
Why didn't Yudi do a thing to stop the decades long accusations?
Why have good upstanding Yiddin distanced themselves from Kolko once they got wind of his "behavior?"
Why didn't Kolko answer hazmonah number one immediately and put these allegations to rest?
Why didn't he answer hazmonos two or three?
Why hasn't he publicly denied every allegation?
Why has an attorney put his sterling reputation in play if the accusations are baseless?
Why would such an attorney call a press conference no less if all he was doing was posturing?
Why would a man in his late forties publicly admit to these claims if they weren't true?
If Kolko were innocent why didn't he offer his side to Kolker at NYMag?
If Kolko were innocent why didn't he take out full page ads protesting the anonymous "pashkevil?"
"So far i see one person with a sincere "CLAIM" that is fromawitz."
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So you admit there is a reliable claim, so why do you still believe kolko is innocent?
So what if there are hundreds, it was all done to further their yidishkeit. A mechanich knows what's best for each student - it's Daas Torha. How dare you scare bad about the Gedoilim!!
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Sorry!
Ya haramiye! Truth, no sketch, when I was in TT I was reaching for my koracha after sullyting shachrit when Yudi reached for bedarts! No sketch! I was biffing from this guy! What an ibe loser, like I never saw in my life. Errtttt! Anyway, his breath always smelled like he had just eaten abo chips so I knew this guy was a majnoon case. Die Lot 6! Anyway, my head got so crazy from this whole thing I've started to lose track of where all my floos is. Hey the door bell is ringing, is that the feds?
"Dweck"
You're the BEST! Give us some more :)
I went to YTT and never heard anything negative about Kolko. But there is a credible witness who is not hiding behind a computer. I have no choice but to believe the allegations.
Listen, Gross, you itchy jdub, I am eckeling now, my wife made kibbe humdah, and after that I have to go sully arbit and then stick the day's floos under my mattress. So gimme a break, this hakke balash is driving me utsnay, and I have my own problems anyway haazit.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Up until now i didn't feel the need to share with the world my camping experiences. However, in light of recent events - namely this sicko blog - i would like to share with you some of what i remember.
I remember an older camper approaching me after baseball to tell me that he liked my competitiveness, my blue eyes, and my "sprinkles".
I remember at night when the older camper would come to my bunkhouse and lay down next to me - talking to me. His hands though, were under my blanket. His fingers were caressing my thighs. His breathing getting heavier and heavier.
I remember so much more...
Angry soul aka D.R. aka (just like you i won't reveal your name)
Do you remember me?
May 24, 2006
hey kolko.... ever play pool?
Right on Kishmich!
UOJ definitely has no respect for anything "holey" - namely the establishment that spawned illiterate opponents like yourself!
Hey "DWEK":
Stop writing on this blog or we will have you tossed out of SHOMRIM.
We will also be contacting Rabbi Ozery.
bump
teezo
Your wife cooks for you? She must be nishach...hazit indeed! Get a chadame!
hey dwek can u spare 20 million?
The real heartbreak of this story is that we have brothers out there who really believe that Kolko is innocent.
"to ytt alumni if u never saw any bad behavior on Rkolko part just because of one accuser u can suspect an innocent man.What if this was ur father. u would want more then 1 wittness."
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ABSOLUTELY! I want at least 2 witnesses who saw actual penetration and ejacuation. It is well known that child molestors invite others to watch their deviant behavior. If you can't find at least 2 such witnesses, then the whole story is made up.
UOJ ASKED: "PLEASE TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL ABOUT THE KOLKO/MARGULIES/YESHIVA TORAH TEMIMAH SEX ABUSE SCANDAL"
I answer: Well how do I REALLY feel?
Put it this way. My friends think I'm crazy that since this scandal broke, I walk around with my hand protecting my anus.
Who knows who or what will try and rape me......
OUCH!!!!!
And THAT is how I REALLY feel about this.
"WHY do u assume guilt on the part of another jew what happened to dan adom lechaf zecus"
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Ddan adom lechaf zecus only applies when you are not sure of the facts.
Hey I want a thread dedicated to me. I'm jelous!
If I only knew how to STEAL this thread I would.
how can u be sure of th facts were u there
how can u be sure of th facts were u there
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Yes.
Listen, to any Kolko talmid who was never fondled, masturbated, or forced to hide the afikomen (No, I don't mean matzah):
If you were never molested by Kolko yet you were a talmid in TT, here is why:
1. You had too much facial, chest, and/or pubic hair at a young age.
2. Your family was intact.
3. Your father paid full tuition.
4. You were cute, but the next kid was cuter and there is only so many hours in a day.
5. You looked like you had the ability to kick very hard.
6. You were from a broken home, you were hairless, but there was just something about you that has turned off not only Kolko, but most every person you've ever met in your life.
Put it this way. My friends think I'm crazy that since this scandal broke, I walk around with my hand protecting my anus.
Who knows who or what will try and rape me......
OUCH!!!!!
And THAT is how I REALLY feel about this.
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Just stay away from Kolko and Scheinberg. You'll be fine.
"how can u be sure of th facts were u there"
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Are you certain that the girl in Lakewood was abused? Where you there? It's her word against the guy in the jeep.
most people on tyhis blog prob never heard of kolko b4 UOJso how can u talk like if u are acredible source that goes for u gross
"most people on tyhis blog prob never heard of kolko b4 UOJso how can u talk like if u are acredible source that goes for u gross"
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What do you mean? Everyone is claiming that they knew Kolko from YTT and that he never did anythin. Now you say they never heard of him? Are you calling them liars?
In the previous thread, aspersions were cast at various yeshivot as "reject yeshivas". Guys, don't you see? You're infected with the virus. Sure, some of the kids who get tossed out of yeshivas are freaks or worse, but we all know that they yeshiva system prizes conformity above all things. Sure, there are smart and wise kids who put up with the narishkeit for a few pearls of wisdom or the opportunity to learn with a true rebbe. They are smart enough to keep their mouth shut and not comment on the nonsense around them. The smart troublemakers, though, just get thrown out. The yeshiva system long ago decided that it didn't want creativity.
I know some boys that bounced around various yeshivas, including some of those mentioned by others here as reject yeshivas. I also know some boys who deliberately attended some of these schools because they knew they could not thrive in a traditional frummie yeshiva. Though they aren't perfect (who of us is?), they are all dedicated Jews who were failed by the system. In most cases, the yeshivas in question seem to have done a decent job keeping these young men involved as Jews.
no im saying that the people accusing him prob never heard of him b4
You're wrong.
Editor:
Well said.
I need some feedback from the UOJ crowd. What is the reputation of the Yeshiva Gedola of Detroit in the frum velt? I've been blogging about my disaffection w/ frummies in Detroit and it would be nice to hear the opinion of others about YGAM. I'm not just looking for negative comments. I want to get an accurate idea of the school's reputation. I'll post the results on Bozoyon, the official blog of the Bozoer Rebbe.
Is it true that since this story broke Kolko has started wearing a nicotine patch on his shmekel to reduce his number of butts per day?
The talk of reject yeshivas reminds me of an idea that has floated through my addled brain - start a new minyan called Kehilat Moshav Letzim, for all the misfits and critics, mystics and fools. Someplace I could fit in.
NP: Blessing And A Curse - The Drive By Truckers
BTW, with all the attention on UOJ's blog lately, surely there are members of Agudat Chasidei Bozo following this whole sordid mess (The Rebbe knows his chassidim, no?). Anyway, in case any of The Rebbe's chassidim are out there in UOJ land, give me a holler.
did R' kolko start Hust?
UOJ obviously has had a very disturbed childhood picture that kid we all had in our class in the back of the classroom the Rebbe gave up on him the 3rd day of yeshiva during recess he was the activity as he was the best receiver in yeshiva the greatest receiver of WEDGIES when he got home there was usualy nobody there for him although there was always oatmeal cookies laced with rat poisen there waiting there for him in camp he mustve been the lucky one to sit on some older bochers lap and now must be a great molester himself you sick sick f... how dare you write about some of our gedolim like that there is a speacel place in hell for you if even that you are in desprate need of professinal help you sick zona
i also was a TT alum. just left 2 years ago and i never heard anything till now.
he might have been know to be tuff "butt" thats all
tuchis oifen tish, i want real evidence!!
Hey Lakewood (Can We Get Along) Yid;
The difference between you and Rodney King is that Rodney was not naive.
you chevra mistuma main your fest you r prust and shikutzim and get a life
hey boog ! go hug a cactus you sick angry puppy
BOOG there is a special place in hell for you too
BOOG who left you in a shopping bag a birth
you are the product of the wrong kavonos BOOG man
hail BOOG S.S.
HELLO BOOG! this whole blog is about anger and most people are angry at you! WHERE DO YOU EVEN COME INTO THIS WHOLE STORY??
WHERE YOU EVER IN TT OR CAMP
go back to bp and hang out with your friends
BOOG take the anger out on the stork that droped you a.. h...
you seem to be one big mistake your an experiment gone wrong which lab is responsable for creating you
Angry at me??
Did I play windmill with your shmekel?
Isn't this loverly?!!
The Real Child molester gets the Rachmanus.
What Boog seems to leave out is that he was a division head in silverlake for three years and is shifing some of his problems on someone else
seek help boog and stop hiding in your rat hole in flatbush
putz
your comments keep heading south of the border, dont you have anything else on your mind
pedophile
The Real Child molester gets the Rachmanus
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boog obviously not!!
anyone who a proven molester should be dealt with accordingly
BUT WHY DOES THAT GIVE YOU RIGHT TO GO OFF ON THE WHOLE JEWISH WORLD
To the Choshove Oilam of this Heilige Blog:
Allow me to introduce myself. I am a urologist practising here in flatbush. For many years, I have been treating Rabbi Yudi Kolko for erectile dysfunction. yudi has been unable to have relationships with his wife for the past 30 years. Upon the advice of his rabbi, Yudi discovered that his sausage worked fine with prepubescent boys and was able to satisfy himself in that fashion.
Tragically, this avenue was recently denied to him. The standard doses of Viagara are ineffective in this case. Fortunately, it appears that yudi responds to a new regimen of pharmacotherapy of high dose Viagara combined with either M'tzitza B'peh or manual stimulation.
However, these treatments are a heavy financial burden. I am appealing to the Oilam of this Heilige Blog to help defray the cost. Please respond generously. Your tax-deductible donations can be made out to:
Rabbi Weinfeld's Shul Chessed Fund
and mailed to
Save Yudi's Schmekel
c/o Leopold Margulies
555 Ocean Parkway
Brooklyn, NY 11218
Thank you and Tizku L'Mitzvos
YOILY STOP HIDING BEHIND ANON
keep names offline a..
anon;
Don't even bother with these morons. Lost cause. These Yokels make our illegal immigrants look like Harvard Grads.
Nitey Night, everyone. I'm going to "BET". schlufen.
woah! so many thing removed from this sight must have been real bad
I turned comment moderation back on due to the totally irresponsible comments made.
The world is watching; we ought not sully our important cause with wild & crazy comments way beyond the pale of good taste.
We all want to see some serious changes made to our system, please friends, let's all act responsibly.
UOJ
There have been attempts to hack our site once again; the new address will be:
aunorthodoxjew.blogspot.com
if the hackers are somehow successful.
UOJ:
You accomplished your goal. Why keep this blog alive? The articles have been published, and the lawsuits have been filed. Now you’re just having a good time getting off on Rabbi/Yeshivah bashing. That being said, I do read the comments, laugh at many, and am generally entertained by Kolko’s downfall. But nothing on here is further convincing me of Kolko’s guilt. The court (or hopefully the D.A.) will decide. As proof that everyone is here – like me – for sport, some guy posted TWICE that he was molested after baseball in the woods, and practically no one even encouraged him to come forward with more detail?! This is how we are helping victims?
I despise Kolko, and I despise Margolis. And I know three alleged victims have come forward with accusations. Consequently, over the past couple of weeks, as a former talmud of the Yeshiva, and as a camper in Manavu, I have methodically and thoroughly followed up with each and every one of my acquaintances from back in the bright sunny day and posed the following three questions:
“DID KOLKO EVER TOUCH YOU, FONDLE YOU, LICK YOU, SQUEEZE YOU, RUB YOU, PENETRATE YOU, RUB OIL ON YOU, MASSAGE YOU, RIDE YOU, WHIP YOU, TIE YOU, FINGER YOU, GRIND YOU, PEE ON YOU, DEFECATE ON YOU OR EJACULATE ON YOU???”
“DID KOLKO EVER TOUCH ANYONE YOU KNOW, FONDLE ANYONE YOU KNOW, LICK ANYONE YOU KNOW, SQUEEZE ANYONE YOU KNOW, RUB ANYONE YOU KNOW, PENETRATE ANYONE YOU KNOW, RUB OIL ON ANYONE YOU KNOW, MASSAGE ANYONE YOU KNOW, RIDE ANYONE YOU KNOW, WHIP ANYONE YOU KNOW, TIE ANYONE YOU KNOW, FINGER ANYONE YOU KNOW, GRIND ANYONE YOU KNOW, PEE ON ANYONE YOU KNOW, DEFECATE ON ANYONE YOU KNOW OR EJACULATE ON ANYONE YOU KNOW???”
“DID YOU EVER SEE KOLKO TOUCH HIMSELF, FONDLE HIMSELF, LICK HIMSELF, SQUEEZE HIMSELF, RUB HIMSELF, PENETRATE HIMSELF, RUB OIL ON HIMSELF, MASSAGE HIMSELF, RIDE HIMSELF, WHIP HIMSELF, TIE HIMSELF, FINGER HIMSELF, GRIND HIMSELF, PEE ON HIMSELF, DEFECATE ON HIMSELF OR EJACULATE ON HIMSELF???”
Now, in conducting this little research witch-hunt, I spoke to the following “types” of people:
(1) Ugly People
(2) Fat People
(3) Obese People
(4) Pudgy People
(5) Husky People
(6) Tall People
(7) Very Tall People
(8) Giant People
(9) Short People
(10) Dwarf People
(11) Mini-Me People
(12) Skinny People
(13) Skeletal People
(14) Cute People
(15) Hottie People
(16) Homosexual People
(17) Flamingly Homosexual People
(18) Homosexual Tendency People
(19) Early-Onset Puberty
(20) Late-Onset Puberty People
(21) Pocket-Pinball People
(22) Hole-In-The-Pocket People
(23) Adulterer People
(24) Celibate People
(25) Closet Homosexual People
(26) Closet Celibate People
(27) Broken Home People
(28) Shattered Home People
(29) Drug Abuser People
(30) Alcohol Abuser People
(31) Wife-Beater People
(32) Wife-Swapper People
(33) Wife-Exchanger People (yes, there’s a difference)
(34) Well-Endowed People
(35) Shortchanged-People
(36) Deformed People
(37) One Legged-People
(38) One-Armed People
(39) Wheelchair-Bound People
(40) Other Categories of Handicapped People
(41) Diseased People
(42) Victims of Non-Kolko Molestation People
(43) Victims of Ejaculation People
(44) Victims of Penetration People
(45) Angry People
(46) Not-So-Angry-People
(47) Stickler People
(48) Anal People
(49) Written-Response People
(50) Oral People
(51) Srugi People
(52) Velvet People
(53) Suede People
(54) No Yarmi At Work People
(55) Yeshivish People
(56) Semi-Yeshivish People
(57) Modern Orthodox People
(58) Chasidish People
(59) Non-Frum People
(60) UOJ-Type People
(61) Uni-Brow People
(62) Uni-Ball People
(63) Professional People
(64) Kollel People
(65) Daddy’s Money People
(66) Someone Else’s Money People
(67) Loud People
(68) Quiet People
(69) Polite People
(70) Rude People
(71) Bashful People
(72) Ego-Maniac People
(73) Smart People
(74) Brooklyn People
(75) Lakewood People
(76) Israel People (No Gush Katif People)
(77) Five Towns People (No Inwood People)
(78) Teaneck People
(79) Monsey People
(80) Passaic People
(81) Queens People
(82) Staten Island People
(83) Bronx People
(84) Manhattan People
(85) Riverdale People
(86) Young Israel People (NOT Boog)
(87) Agudah People (I think, although don’t clearly recollect)
(88) Walk-To-Their-Own-Beat People
(89) Sit and Beat People
(90) Shul-Talker People
(91) Shul-Shusher People
(92) Thrown-Out-Of-Shul People
(93) Thrown-Out-Of-School People
(94) Thrown-Out-Of-Camp
(95) Blogger People
(96) Internet Ban People
(97) English-Speaking People
(98) Yiddish-Speaking People
(99) Trash-Talking People
(100) Dirty-Taking People
(101) Really Dirty Talking People
(102) Shuckler Davener People
(103) Stiff Davener People
(104) Porn-Lover People
(105) Closet Porn Lover People
(106) Convicted-Felon People
(107) Misdemeanor People
(108) Traffic Ticket People
(109) State Prison People
(110) Federal Prison People
(111) Head Hairy People
(112) Ear Hairy People
(113) Nose Hairy People
(114) Armpit Hairy People
(115) Pubic Hairy People
(116) Smooth People
(117) Shaven (Fairly Smooth) People
(118) Bald People
(119) Stupid People
(120) Really, Really Stupid People
(121) Transsexual People
(122) Heterosexual People
(123) Really, Really Heterosexual People
(124) Bisexual People
(125) Experimental One-Time-Only Bisexual People
And, finally, spoke to Boog,
….And the responses were all the same, UOJ. “Yes, I despised Kolko as an educator and as a person; yes, I thought Margolis was a monster; no, I would not be surprised if these allegations were true; but no:
(1) “I WAS NEVER TOUCHED BY KOLKO, FONDLED BY KOLKO, LICKED BY KOLKO, SQUEEZED BY KOLKO, RUBBED BY KOLKO, PENETRATED BY KOLKO, OILED ON BY KOLKO, MASSAGED BY KOLKO, RIDDEN BY KOLKO, WHIPPED BY KOLKO, TIED BY KOLKO, FINGERED BY KOLKO, GRINDED BY KOLKO, PEED ON BY KOLKO, DEFECATED ON BY KOLKO OR EJACULATED ON BY KOLKO”
(2) “I NEVER WITNESSED ANYONE TOUCHED BY KOLKO, FONDLED BY KOLKO, LICKED BY KOLKO, SQUEEZED BY KOLKO, RUBBED BY KOLKO, PENETRATED BY KOLKO, OILED ON BY KOLKO, MASSAGED BY KOLKO, RIDDEN BY KOLKO, WHIPPED BY KOLKO, TIED BY KOLKO, FINGERED BY KOLKO, GRINDED BY KOLKO, PEED ON BY KOLKO, DEFECATED ON BY KOLKO OR EJACULATED ON BY KOLKO”
(3) “I NEVER WITNESSED KOLKO TOUCHED BY KOLKO, KOLKO FONDLED BY KOLKO, KOLKO LICKED BY KOLKO, KOLKO SQUEEZED BY KOLKO, KOLKO RUBBED BY KOLKO, KOLKO PENETRATED BY KOLKO, KOLKO OILED ON BY KOLKO, KOLKO MASSAGED BY KOLKO, KOLKO RIDDEN BY KOLKO, KOLKO WHIPPED BY KOLKO, KOLKO TIED BY KOLKO, KOLKO FINGERED BY KOLKO, KOLKO GRINDED BY KOLKO, KOLKO PEED ON BY KOLKO, KOLKO DEFECATED ON BY KOLKO OR KOLKO EJACULATED ON BY KOLKO”
Go figure. I’m as surprised as you are. Facts are facts, my friends.
test
uoj,
i dont get it if you really care about whats posted then why do you allow these flagrant wild comments about anyone with "rabbi" in front of their name, do you consider those "responsible" ?
Hey SY impersonator. I dont think youre an impersonator at all. I think I know who u are. are you mr. sh-
Well I was sickened when I heard about this. I think that the community needs to pull its head out of the sand wake up and realize that there is a boatload of corruption. I think its sick that these mock courts can get somone off if they need to. However I don't believe it is aporopriate to lambast people either. So while I recognize that the system is truly screwed beyond human comprehension I don't believe we can make fun of people even if they are perverts and sickos. We should be seeking Justice not lambasting people here
UOJ,
I am one of the guys who has really had a few laughs (okay, more than a few) here, but all in good spirit. Frankly, this came at a very difficult time for me personally and has helped me get by. So thank you for that.
More important, whether you post this or not, I wanted to convey my utmost admiration and respect for you. If you have demonstrated anything it is that true Torah hashkofah will not be perverted to protect the perverse. You admirably stood up and proved difinitively that one man can make a difference. May you only know orah, vsimchah, vsasson, v'yikar.
No sketch ;-)
To anonymous;
If you're really SO concerned about someone doing teshuva, I reckon the Yudi Kolko/Lipa Margulis sex-scandal should top your list. There is something called priority, a system where the more important issue at hand should be given the most attention. Apparently, your priorities are centered on the wrong picture. You love to use the "religious defense" but it holds no water. Need I remind you that the abuser in this case (yudi kolko) is a so called religious "orthodox Rabbi". Was his so called status as Rabbi, suddenly have the power to shield him from molesting young boys at Yeshiva Torah Temima??? Does it foolishly mean, that because the accused happens to be a "Rabbi" he gets a free pass to act lewdly to his students without so much as a whimper, protest, or an investigation into the allegations? The Catholic Church was not immune to the interrogation and removal of its pedophile priests, and so should our "Rabbi's" who prey on children, not be immune from the hands of the law?
So which is more of a priority for you "anonymous"? Someone who does not "keeps shabbos" or a "Rabbi" molesting young boys without ever being stopped? (heck! unchecked the molester may live doing it until the day he dies, which could be well into the next generation and after far too many victims).
Which is worse "anonymous"? Someone who wrote "baseless motzi shem ra against the gedolai hador" as you put it, or a Rabbi that would STILL be molesting boys at Yeshiva Torah Temima, had it not been for the courage and bravery of the victims able to speak about the sexual abuse they endured?
As far as your very "righteous" ways, where you state, ( "when you beg for mechila from each of these gedolim, then you will perhaps have more credibility than Korach"), I find that to be very ironic. The people that need to start doing real Tshuva yesterday, are still not held accountable to their heinous and ugly crimes against children. People in a position of power, especially when dealing with kids, have an added obligation to keep our kids safe. Safe means, not having a "rabbi" who molests children around our kids period. No ifs, ands, or butt's about it. They also have a moral obligation at the very least of looking into the allegations and not simply dismissing them with a snap of the finger, like was done by Yeshiva Torah Temima and Yeshiva of Brooklyn, where bosses (roshei yeshiva FYI) were in a position to fire the offenders long ago, and did not.
As far as Korach is concerned, he would be regarded as a saint, would he be living in out times. Yes, he was punished by the earth swallowing him up, but he was on a much higher level than probably most people in our days will ever achieve, therefore, he was held to a higher standard than most. At least Korach's sin was not molesting kids, a crime that is considered "life threatening" for the victims, and like the Torah tells us, one who saves one life, it is considered as if he had saved the world. Obviously saving a person's life (even one life) takes precedence over any one of your pointless statements, which seek to divert the real issue at hand rather than focusing on it, and that is very unfortunate on your part!
NY Magazine Letters
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymag/letters/17070/
Letters to the Editor
May 29, 2006
Sexual Abuse
My heart was racing as I read Robert Kolker’s article—I couldn’t read
it fast enough [“On the Rabbi’s Knee,” May 22]. I couldn’t believe
someone actually put the horrible truth in writing as clearly and honestly
as Kolker has—just as I have dreamed of doing. I was, and continue to
be, a victim of abuse and rabbinical cover-up in the ultra-Orthodox
community. I went to the authorities, to no avail. Friends deserted me in
droves, frightened that their children would be expelled from prestigious
yeshivas. They told me that my reporting the abuse was a worse crime
than the abuser’s committing it—mesira. All of Kolker’s facts are
astonishingly accurate.
—Name withheld
As an Orthodox Jew, I was disturbed to read Kolker’s account of Rabbi
Yehuda Kolko, who is alleged to have sexually molested his students.
Kolker suggests that sexual repression, resistance to modernity, and
barriers to the outside world create an atmosphere conducive to abuse in the
ultra-Orthodox community. To claim a cause-and-effect relationship is
unfair to the many psychologically normal and healthy people living in
the Orthodox community, who simply choose to lead a more sexually modest
lifestyle than others.
—Michael Feldstein, Stamford, Conn.
Ii appreciate the article about sexual abuse in the Jewish Orthodox
community. I was abused for four years when I lived in Borough Park, and
to this day, I can’t come to terms with what happened. I tried telling
the grand rabbi and others, but nobody listened. Today, I am married to
a very supportive wife, live in Los Angeles, and hold a steady job. But
between the ages of 15 and 25 (I am now 31), I tried suicide, got
arrested, married, annulled the marriage, joined the military, moved about
ten times—all to try to find peace, and I still seek it. The article,
although it will not help me, may help bring this issue to the fore and
keep others from having to live the life that I have.
—Steve R., Los Angeles, Calif.
As an observant modern-Orthodox divorced mother raising a teenage son
in the neighborhood where the yeshiva in this article is situated, I am
alarmed, and so is the community. Some say that self-hating Jews are
defaming the Orthodox yeshiva world—that the article is a vendetta
against the strict Orthodox way of life. But there are those like me who
believe that it’s about time this issue was discussed. I had heard rumors
of molestation when I went to yeshiva girls’ schools in the eighties.
When I dated in college, some of my boyfriends’ friends were victims of
abuse. Though I had to discuss the issue with my 15-year-old son in more
detail than I would have liked, I want to thank you for bringing it to
the attention of mothers like me.
—Gisele Strauch, Brooklyn
Yasher Koach to David Framowitz in his quest for justice. May Hashem
grant him the strength to deal with these hypocrites. May he merit the
chance to save other children from this hateful scourge. As an Orthodox
Jew with friends who have suffered similar experiences, I say this to
those pious individuals with misplaced religious fervor, who would
forfeit the life, both spiritual and physical, of a Jewish child, over the
embarrassment of a so-called pillar of the community: How’s this for
Chillul Hashem? I hope you all enjoyed the New York Magazine story.
—A. Zions, Jamaica
Couldn’t you have selected another cover line, something other than “Do
the Orthodox Jews Have a Catholic-Priest Problem?” It somehow implies
that there isn’t the same kind of a problem in public or secular private
schools, or in so many other places and communities.
—John Kubasek, New Rochelle, N.Y.
I agree that something doesn't add up with this whole alleged incident. He claims he's doing this out of concern for future victims. As of now Rabbi Kolko will never return to "chinuch" even if he's found innocent.
Explain to me why he's still doing whatever he can to bring down a yeshiva that has hundreds of students and making baseless accusations that this type of abuse is going on in all orthodox jewish schools?
If he were that sincere he would walk away, mission accomplished. But no, he wants to be "mechallel shem hashem" with the hopes that the yeshiva will close down, and to humiliate the families of those involved.
Granted that as of now there might be truth to the alleged abuse and time will tell. But in the meantime i'm finding it hard to believe some one who after thirty five years woke up one day at age 48 and suddenly grew the guts........... Time will tell.
In the meantime remember that both the jewish law and american law agree INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
What about "People in denial?
To Case Study, Kudos on an amazing study. I'm guessing you're away on a business trip and had already watched your three minutes of pay-per-view.
Anyway, unfortunately, the flaw in your study was that you failed to poll gebrokts people, pre-pubescent males from broken homes, and testosterone deficient males under the age of 10. Had you included these demographics, either via control or double-blind, you would have found that the instance of molestation would have been far above the societal norm.
As a follow up, you might want to interview post-elementary school children that continue to bed wet, refuse to let a doctor stick a throat culture in their mouth, or suffer from hemmoroids.
UOJ,
There are these Johnny Come Latelys who keep reposting every news article that we've already seen here. It's just unnecessary clutter.
To Guilty for Listening to Das Torah.
Yes you are Guilty! How would you like that person to be free to confront your wife, daughters or sons.
Shame on you and all the "Gedolim" who want to pretend that these things do not happen and do not want to euin the name of their Yeshivahs, and Communities because it would affect their fund raising ability.
I know of one MAJOR Flatbush yeshivah that would rather have some of their Bochrim destroy themselves with drigs and alcohol then admit that they have a problem in their dormitory.
Someone had a great suggestion to heckle Kolko before & after davening outside Rabbi Weinfeld's shul. It's true that making things uncomfortable for the Weinfeld Hungarians would be the only thing that gets them to act on removing Kolko, but there is another issue. It is actually a mitzva according to Shulchan Aruch to scream at someone like Kolko who creates a chilul Hashem by not replying to a beis din. The Shulchan Aruch also says you are supposed to speak to anyone who has influence over the mesarev.
So get on that corner at Ave L & East 22nd St to make those Weinfeld Hungarians squirm and look up Rabbi Chaim Weinfeld in the Brooklyn White Pages and ask him why he's harboring a dangerous child molester who has a DIN OF A RODEF.
Tavo alav brocho whoever participates in this kiddush Hashem.
Case Study:
Great post. I see your point but bear in mind the following:
When the monster who molested "Angry Soul" was confronted by respected Rabbonim, he was cornered and admitted to molesting over 100 children throughout the years. When these children (now adults) were approached, so that their accounts may aid in the investigation, almost each and every one denied being molested!
Witnesses say many were speechless. You seem intelligent so I am sure you get my point.
Incredible how almost each and every one of the "fierce" opponents on this blog can't construct a halfway decent sentence. I am far from a genius but when you knock an articulate person like Boog you are only doing an injustice to yourself.
Ironically, many accuse UOJ and others of failing in learning when in Yeshiva. I'd be willing to bet that these people are the losers of the losers and barely made it in third-rate Yeshivas. A "real" learner is able to write intelligently in English as well. The ones who are unable to don't comment on blogs.
I remember the real good bochurim in Yeshiva got straight A grades in secular studies; the troublemakers, no matter how yeshivish, could barely learn a word.
Does anyone know the reason why only YTT and NOT Margo was named as a defendant? If Margo is the filthy enabler, why not go after the fat man himself?
CAn someone please help me navigate the Awareness Center Website.
Where is the list of offenders?
I come back to check for an answer to my question, and all I get is that Kolko must have something on Margo, but nobody knows what. I'm sorry, but that's not very convincing.
"In the meantime remember that both the jewish law and american law agree INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY."
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Couldn't agree with you more. Just one question. What form of evidence would satisfy of you of Kolko's guilt?
I agree with anonymous I am not sure I see the purpose of this blog any more. It served its purpose. I now have my doubts as how sincere UOJ was to begin with. It seems he has an axe to grind with everyone. I think it is time to bury the axe.
kol tov
I can't stand any more ! I was brought up to stand when a rabbi, any rabbi walked into a room. Didn't matter if I knew him or not, we stand up. Well, I can't stand any more ; not because I'm to weak to stand but because I'm so strong to be able to stand.
These blogs have opened my eyes to the in bred corruption, the faulty
thinking that was taught to me regarding "the rabbi's".
Seeing how so many operate, hand rubbing hand together, that holy look, the "protrayed wisdom" behind the beard, and looking beyond the beard, the black suit, the pious stature,et.al, the find some very talanted actors,kunning individuals, knowing how to get their combined hands in our pockets,of the adults and now the children.. I can't stand any more. They have been exposed to all. I've been fleesed long enough,intimated long enough and it's now time to say, "never again"..I can't stand any more.
can't stand it anymore:
I feel your pain, but you have to realize that there are still some Rabbonim that are worthy of our utmost respect. It may be difficult to find them, but they do exist.
Gross, and then there were the smart troublemakers, who could get straight "A"s in both limudei chol and limudei kodesh if they wanted to, but it was way more fun to spar with the teachers.
I have spent my life frustrating teachers and rabbis. If only... they like to say.
gross,
As you stated, from you rcommnets it is obvious that you ARE far from a genius. Very far.
But even you must realize how ridiculous you sound. The self-righteous indignant justification of the profane, juvenile tone of UOJ's posts and the comments of his groupies that you have repeated numerous times rings hollow when you denigrate a rosh yeshiva because you don't like his personality. It quickly becomes obvious to any reader of this blog that you and others of your ilk did not need an incident of abuse as an excuse for this type of talk, but rather that you have eagerly seized the opportunity to do so provided by the incident.
Preventing further abuse and removing those responsible for it certainly is more important than cleaning your mouth out with soap, but even that being so, you still remain a foul-mouthed bum who would rightly be thrown out of shul for talking that way (of course after first throwing out the child abusers - don't start that again!).
Is the Agudah merging with the ACLU ?
From Yesterday's Wall Street Journal:
"Hypocrisy, La Rochefoucauld observed, is the tribute that vice pays to virtue. The left loves to point out instances in which conservative moralists fail to abide by their ideals. This, however, is a human failing, not a left- or right-wing one."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110008421
"The American Civil Liberties Union is weighing new standards that would discourage its board members from publicly criticizing the organization's policies and internal administration," reports the New York Times:
"Where an individual director disagrees with a board position on matters of civil liberties policy, the director should refrain from publicly highlighting the fact of such disagreement," the committee that compiled the standards wrote in its proposals.
"Directors should remember that there is always a material prospect that public airing of the disagreement will affect the A.C.L.U. adversely in terms of public support and fund-raising," the proposals state.
Given the organization's longtime commitment to defending free speech, some former board members were shocked by the proposals.
No kidding! The ACLU champions "whistleblowers" who reveal national-security secrets, but there are limits. When free speech threatens ACLU fund-raising efforts, why that just goes too far.
Amusingly, the Times couldn't find anyone who would speak in defense of the proposed policy.
I think it was rather gracious of UOJ for limiting the "attack" on Aharon Shechter to his idiotic facial expression. Shechter is a phony, shamelessy self-promoting, meaningless Am Haaretz - at best. Cut the crap - nobody older than 40 (except for maybe Halioua) respects him. A "gadol hador" Feh, you menuval!
It is actually a mitzva according to Shulchan Aruch to scream at someone like Kolko who creates a chilul Hashem by not replying to a beis din. The Shulchan Aruch also says you are supposed to speak to anyone who has influence over the mesarev.
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lets not forget that Chaim Berlin and Schechter are the biggest mesarvim ledin around. according to Shmiel fried -- I know alot of you folks dislike him -- Schechter and Berlin have been mesarev Ledin for over twenty years by somenbody in Chaim berlin -- help me out guys -- I know that when fruchthandler tried to take veretzky to a din torah he was thrown out on his fannie because he is a mesarev -- and he's from the Gaadoilim -- so i ask all the heilige froomie frock toting chahcumim on this blog how is gross and ouj wrong about schechter
Anon:
///As of now Rabbi Kolko will never return to "chinuch" even if he's found innocent.
Explain to me why he's still doing whatever he can to bring down a yeshiva that has hundreds of students and making baseless accusations that this type of abuse is going on in all orthodox jewish schools?
If he were that sincere he would walk away, mission accomplished. But no, he wants to be "mechallel shem hashem" with the hopes that the yeshiva will close down, and to humiliate the families of those involved. ///
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UOJ did the right thing -- he gave Margo the chance to get rid of Kolko quietly, and that would have saved this horrible chilul HaShem. Margo, as always, was the tough guy, and he didn't realize who he was up against. UOJ even went as far as sending letters to parents in order to put pressure on Margo to give up Kolko. At this point, it seems to me that it is too late to put the cat back in the bag. I don't think it would be a good thing for TT to close. I do, however, believe that Margo needs to go. I have nothing against Margo, and I know him only by reputation and not personally. In fact, my brother is a big chosid of his from the Yam. But this whole thing is HIS fault. The whole debacle could have been avoided if he would have taken the accusations seriously. BTW, I don't think he's much worse than any other rosh yeshiva as far as this issue goes, and I think that most would cover up abuse if they could. One at a time. They ALL need to change their attitudes and stop ignoring and harboring sexual predators. I am convinced that this UOJ guy is the real deal and is doing this leshem shomayim. If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at Margo - the real perpetrator of this chilul HaShem.
Protests have been made in front of shuls when someone has refused to give his wife a get.
Why is NO ONE protesting at Ave L & East 22nd St that RODEF Kolko has destroyed hundreds of young lives and not replied to beis din.
Why is NO ONE protesting on Ocean Parkway that Lipa Margulies has enabled a RODEF to destroy the hundreds of children and then had the evil gall to threaten the victims themselves.
If you are too embarrassed to protest alone, get together with a group of friends and family. A group of respectable people does not look foolish and you will effect a change for the good.
gross
your claim that the abuser admitted to molesting hundreds of kids, is being denied by the abusers supporters.
They havent said what he has admitted to, but it sounds like they think the case is about someone confronting the abuser and saying he drove too fast when he took kids on rides.
The abuser then broke down, cried and admitted he did drive too fast with 100s of kids. He may even have dangled some kids by the legs. He didnt realize what a monstor he was and was so sorry.
Somehow the accuser misunderstood and got it into his head that the abuser was admitting molesting him and others.
The hundreds of kids who had gotten fast rides were surprised as anyone to hear about molesting charges.
We have yet to hear what the supporters of the abuser claim he actually did. All they do is deny what the abused says, but they seem to think its all about fast car rides.
case study,
GREAT JOB!!!
couldn't have put it any better.
i too being a former TT boy have conducted a similiar survey (not nearly as extensive)and have found the same thing: most people think margo is a fat money hungry, kovod fresser, that will trample anyone in his way.
but i am still yet to find ANYONE THAT WAS ABUSED OR KNOWS FIRSTHAND OF ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS
check out website-http://takingbackjudaism.com/
I have been following this site for about five months. Everything UOJ said he would do, he has done. For months he attempted to have Kolko dismissed. At the time, according to UOJ, that would have been the end of it. He made quite clear that if if Kolko were not dismissed in light of the claims of abuse, it would demonstrate that the yeshiva administration itself did not have the best interests of the talmidim at heart and that, as a result, he would do all in his power both to see Kolko dismissed and bring down the administration. All UOJ has done is follow through -- to the T -- on what he said he would do. Current complaints that UOJ should now stop and just walk away are silly in light of this history.
I realize that if this comes across as somewhat rational, many of you will be confused and wonder what it is doing in this comments section. Just make a shechiyanu and move on.
I know YK from my years as a counselor at CA and find these allegations hard to believe. Yet, where there is so much smoke there has to be some fire.
The people who still want proof are people like myself who I think deep down can't ignore the accusations but don't want to believe that they are true.
What proof will be sufficient? It's hard to say, but to quote Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart (I think) when asked to define pornography responded "I can't define it , but I'll know it when I see it."
YK was a tough head counselor and not the smiley, friendly type. Did this tick off a lot of people? I'm sure it did and I believe that he was the same way in YTT. When you're in the public eye especially dealing with hundreds or thousands of kids and their parents you don't have to piss off to many of them to get rumors started.
So, as long as he denies the allegations and it has not been proven in court he has the right to daven in shul, for people to talk to him if they so desire and not to have Rabbi Weinfeld throw him out.
To some of the ridiculous "proofs" submitted. So many of you sight the infamous bris confrontation where YK walked out. You people are clueless about the real world. What should he have done? Scream back and make a whole scene when he was an invited guest at somebody's simcha? He did the smart thing by avoiding a confrontation. Any intelligent person would have done the same thing no matter what the facts.
Additionally, just exactly how do you prove that something did not happen.
As far as this Avi Moscovitz as his or YTT's lawyer, what's wrong with his defending them? This is America and he/they are entitled to quality representation. When you start calling every Rav to put pressure on all their mispalleim who steal from Medicare, Medicaid, cheat on their taxes and do all other non-kosher stuff then you can add this item to your list. Until then let him do his job.
If you think this case is going to be a slam dunk, it's not.
No matter what the outcome YTT will still be there. I never sent my kids there because I didn't want to have to deal with LM. Paying for Brafman is going to cost him big time.
The parent body will never pull out their kids as long as they feel that they are getting a great education.
Until the top Rabbeim start signing free agent contracts at other yeshivas there will be no large migration of kids out of YTT.
As I said, I really do not want to believe the allegations but if in fact they are true the law must be applied.
Homosexuality in yeshivas is an old story. Remember the old joke told about a certain out of town yeshiva? How do you separate the men from the boys at ..... With a crowbar. That is a separate issue that must be dealt with especially when they are closeted but keep up the facade by marrying, having kids and ruining other people's lives.
But pedophilia is illegal and immoral and must be addressed and stopped. If it can be proven that it has happened at other camps or yeshivas then all steps must be taken to eradicate it as quickly aas possible, reputations be damned
And can you guys hit spell check once in a while, the spelling here is awful. You obviously never had Panensky for English.
Finally, let's imagine that all the allegations are false and none of this ever happened. To quote Raymond Donovan after he was acquitted of having mob ties (I don't expect the yeshiva guys to know who he was, but he is not Billy's father), "Where do I go to get my reputation back."
i see people actually can do other things then rip margo/kolko its a good start
OrthoRev put a website- www.takingbackjudaism.com
UOJ- do you give your Has'cama?
HISTORY WILL SHOW THAT UOJ WAS RIGHT TO EXPOSE THESE SCANDALS. ALL THESE TOURTURED TROUBLED SOULS ARE PRAISING YOU!!!! TIZKU LEMITZVOS!!
ANYONE OUT THERE WENT TO MTA? - YESHIVA UNIVERSITY'S HIGH SCHOOL? THEY HAD THE SAME PROBLEM FOR 20 YEARS WITH THE PRINCIPAL OF THE HIGH SCHOOL - EVENTHOUGH DR LAMM WAS MADE AWARE OF THE ISSUE - HE ONLY TOOK THE DOOR OF HIS OFFICE. HE ISN'T EVEN LISTED ON THE AWARENESS SITE!!! DOZENS OF KIDS WENT OFF OF THE DERECH BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS WOULD NOT BEALIVE THEM WHEN THEY COMPLAINED.
UNFORTUNATELY MANY MANY SCANDALS YET TO COME OUT............
Oh no! Don't get started on this topic of messaraiv le din. Someone might remember that I was supposed to show up in beis din 30 years ago.
Do the Chaim Berliners have another bais din telling them they don't have to listen to the first?
There's also that wild approach reportedly taken by Yankel Reisman from Lawrence that if you're a big enough talmid chochom you don't have to listen to certain bais dins.
I understand these methods can be abused but they are necessary to deal with corrupt bais dins, like for example the farce bais dins that Tendler turned to.
Where were the Agudists when we lained in shul "Midvar Sheker Tirchak" & "Lo saamod al Dam Rayecha" ?
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=12492
Rabbi David Zwiebel, a representative of Agudath Israel of America, the owner of the camp, said that officials in his organization had not heard of any allegations against Rabbi Kolko, who apparently left the camp's employ of his own accord in the mid-1970s.
"There is nobody currently in the administration who has any recollection from that time," Zwiebel said.
At risk of stating the obvious - the comments about Rabbi Schechter are wrong because you don't even know who he supposedly was mesarev to, if it was him or his predecessor, if the case has been settled or is still in siruv etc. and yet you feel you have license to comment teh way you do. Your justifications are after the fact.
Also, your flimsy argument does not apply to the many other rabbis denigrated and maligned on this blog who are not even accused of being mesarvim.
Who are you kidding? The people here so eager to abuse the rabbonim are not so meticulous about researching their reasons for it which in itself puts them beyond the pale.
(I can just hear gross with onoe of his gems now "So you think that poking fun at rabbonim is worse than abusing poor defenseless kids, you menuval??!!" - Get lost! You are a joke.)
I saw some comments regarding my friend Ben Brafman on this blog. I was bothered by what I read so I called Ben to find out what's going on - this is NOT the type of case he would take. Well.. I just got off the phone with Ben. He knows nothing of this case and has never in his life met Margulies nor Kolko & is certainly not representing either of them.
This blog is doing some great things, but reputations can be damaged if comments are posted without checking out the facts first. Shame on the people here who simply took what they read at face value about Ben & spewed garbage. Apologies are in order.
"...As you stated, from you rcommnets it is obvious that you ARE far from a genius. Very far."
It's a lot more than his personality. He's worthless. On a side note, this blog was not created to remove Kolko. That was just a bonus. If you don't like the overall tone, go hang out on Yeshiva World.
Regards
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"Sholom Noiach"
Thanks for your support. See ya around ;)
Moshe Rubashkin said...
Does anyone know the reason why only YTT and NOT Margo was named as a defendant? If Margo is the filthy enabler, why not go after the fat man himself?
Don't know for sure, but it may be due to insurance coverage of YTT. If YTT has a Directors & Officers (D&O) policy, its coverage would go into effect for defending Margo, but would not go into effect if no covered individual actually gets sued (Kolko may be considered a covered individual but no insurance company will foot the bill for his defense now). Using the tactic of not suing Margo might put YTT under strong financial preasure (indeed there are already rumors flying about corporate restructuring). Not to worry though, once charges are proven, I am sure Margo will be sucked into this financially, and by then he wont have an insurance policy to back him up.
Some have asked why would Margo back Kolko all these many years, at great peril to himself. The answer seems obvious, he was fighting YTV and couldn't afford a scandal then. Once he covered it up once, liability would shift to him as well. So he kept sweeping it under the rug. No more room under the rug.
For the record,
With regard to innocence until proven guilty let the record stand that with instances of immoral indecent perversion the Rambam and others have clearly stated that it is the torahs view that the accused is to be presumed GUILTY and extreme measures are to be taken. See rabbi wozner's responsa on the Tendler Affairs posted on many sites including Theawarenesscenter.org
From now on children....no more quoting halakha without mentioning the sources and basis to your statements. OK?
Help Update the Kolko-wiki watch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehuda_Kolko
lets not forget that Chaim Berlin and Schechter are the biggest mesarvim ledin around.
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Sholom Noiach Landau:
What are you complaining about? You made out like a bandit! Every time Schechter and Fruchthandler pass by your building their hearts palpitate.
Just goes to show; you can run but you can't hide.
Margulies take heed. Your reign of terror is over.
UOJ,
Thanks for turning comment moderation back on, but can you please remove that pornographic CASE STUDY comment?
Case Study:
You no doubt followed Double Blind test procedure in reaching your conclusions.
After reading the posts from the Lakewood guys and their ilk, I am beginning to doubt the whole Lakewood girl abuse story. Something doesn't make sense.
This girl refuses to show her face or give her name, and has the nerve to accuse someone else while hiding behind her computer. Second, there is not one witness to the incident. There were no previous rumors about the accused in all the years he lived in Lakewood. There is no evidence that he even exists! Yet, everyone is quick to judge him!
Personally, I believe the accused does exist, but she has a personal vendetta against him. Perhaps he turned her down for a job.
Just a bookmark so that I can come back and read the comments and know where I left off.
5/25/06
2:55pm
UOJ-
Please check out and incdicate your approval of
TakingBackJudaism.com
"The parent body will never pull out their kids as long as they feel that they are getting a great education."
The statement by Mr. Anonymous that read the parent body in general will never pull their kids out of YTT was in error. The actual statement read Hungarian parent body.
The Khazars of Boro Park and Flatbush regret the error.
Readers dissatisfied with the journalistic integrity of UOJ may reach the YTT ombudsman Simcha Kaufman who still maintains that nothing is going to happen to Kolko, Margo or YTT.
Hey anonymous,
While you're at it, ask Ben Brafman if he's defending that scumbag Leib Pinter.
"Apologies are in order"
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I have never spoken bad about Brafman. However, I believe I was the first to mention that he took the case. I heard this from someone who heard it from my Rav who was at the YTT meeting. If this is not the case, I apologize.
I know Schechter - he's a shmuck, plain and simple. So is Mordche, by the way.
Anon, tell your friend Ben Barfman that he's still full of CRAP for writing that screed that's in the OU Magazine & Aish Hatorah website that he's doing a "Kiddush Hashem" by defending every filthy rotzayach and pedophile.
What a self-righteous CREEP.
To any of the naysayers trying to figure out whether Kolko is guilty or innocent - I wonder if any of you are parents.
If Kolko were strict, and not so friendly, then the 30 years of rumors would be that he is a hardass, not a child molester.
Why have there been hard and fast rumors that Kolko is a child molestor since Johnson was President? Why did the rumors never discipate, and why so many years later have they resulted in lawsuits? Also, we know UOJ is not a prophet, so how could he so accurately predict the course this case has taken?
Let me share with you the simple principle, Ockham's Razor, which states that entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. In other words, the explanation of any occurence should be made based upon the least possible number of assumptions. Simply put, the most simple explanation for a phenomenon is usually the correct one.
Why have there been hard and fast rumors that Kolko is a child molestor since Johnson was President?
Because since the mid-sixties, Kolko began molesting children. Early on, his craft was not yet as finely tuned as it became in later years, and it is safe to presume that he attempted to molest some people who then spoke to other people, thus creating the rumors - along with those who were indeed molested but who may have never admitted that they themselves were victims, but did warn others "of what they had heard."
Why did the rumors never discipate?
Because Kolko continued to molest children.
Why so many years later have they resulted in lawsuits?
It is typical of victims to repress their abuse, or deny it entirely. It is easier to pretend it never happened and move on, than face reality and actually act upon that reality. It is also common where multiple victims of one abuser exist, that the victims are unaware of each other's existence. There is simply no timetable as to when someone can overcome the post-traumatic stress in a fashion that will allow him/them to face their abuser and accuse them accordingly.
Also, we know UOJ is not a prophet, so how could he so accurately predict the course this case has taken?
Because he has access to information that is not available to the public.
To the anonymous poster looking for more, if anyone accuses me at a bris of such a heinous act, or if they accuse me of that at a wedding, in a doctor's office or during kol nidre, you can rest assured I will raise my voice so loud in protest you'll forget where you are until it is crystal clear that I am innocent of such abuse. But that's because I'm not an abuser, so the mere thought of someone coming out and accusing me so outrages me that social parameters fall to the wayside. Trust me, Kolko's response at that bris was fully in line with a guilty man's actions.
It is folly to suggest that a conspiracy so long in making has resulted in Kolko's disgrace. An identified man living in Israel who learned at TT and who had a profile that put him at risk for abuse met up with a rich anonymous blogger, and together with a high-profile attorney decided that they would take down a rabbi wwho started molesting kids when UOJ was in diapers? I could go on illustrating how ridiculous your reality would have to be if Kolko were innocent, but, really, are you serious?
So you can keep your heads buried in the sand and continue to complacently condone Kolko's behavior, or you can join reality and make sure he not only never molests another child, but pays in some way for the damage he has caused. Because that is the Jewish way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehuda_Kolko
Add the Jewish Week article to Wikipedia so they don't delete it.
I have been receiving mostly positive e-mails, wishing me well and hoping I don't fade away.
Thanks for the kind words.
I'm emotionally fatigued; this has been a gruesome task, a task I never wanted.
This is only the first step in a long battle I intend to wage. I will not permit the "nobodys", the human trash, to dictate to us their version of Judaism. Judaism is an ethical religion first and foremost, anything else is not Judaism.
So, please give me a few days off; over the week-end I intend to post the next phase of my battle.
Rest up, fellow.
Hey Rubashkin;
We hear that you're sponsoring PETA'S next "Be Kind To Animals Week".
RE:"Tuchus ofen Tisch".................. Wouldn't it be funny if Kolko opened a deli and had this as a menu item?
gross said...
I know Schechter - he's a shmuck, plain and simple. So is Mordche, by the way.
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ponce rhizopus says
A few Questions.
If uoj has a 22 y.o. alleged victim (where the sol has not run out)why are you patchkin around with a guy 48????????
Why is uoj going to the media and causing the biggest chillul shem shamayim since the Holocaust if he has a tight case with 6,15,100's of victims????? more to follow.
Can we have a little George Weinberger bashing over here?
I mean the guy is a first class pompous as*hole who THINKS that he is in control of the world....
UOJ: Please put him on "the list"
Yasher Koach!
Vito Spatafore said...
hey kolko.... ever play pool?
Pocket pool.
Nobody is questioning if Kolko has the right to go to Shul, only how he is able to just show up as if he hit the restore button on his personal computer and put himself back to 1960.
The problem with the innocent until proven guilty does not fly. He is guilty of having our young children exposed to such conversations. There are children in the second grade talking about sexula abuse. It took me until the 9th grade to even know what an abortion was and that was in the 70's.
http://www.cafepress.com/yudi
Please take care of yourself UOJ, Judaism needs you more than you know. I can only imagine the pain you must feel. I recently reviewed your posts over the last months, it was really clear that you gave Kolko, Margulies and TT every warning humanly possible.
You have created a new realism, be proud of your accomplishments.
IS BEN BRAFFMAN DEFENDING KOLKO???
CAN ANYONE PROVIDE A LINK TO LEGITIMIZE THESE CLAIMS?
I'VE HEARD THAT THESE RUMORS ARE FALSE...
I don't know how to quote but this is to the person who said that it can't be true because kids would have come forward. You don't know the half of it. I'm in another country. We don't have the big frum community you have in NY but we have a community. We have masorti, haredi and hassidish communities. I'm 16. My father started to use me sexually when I was 10 and to allow other men to use me when I was 12. My family are shomrei mitzvot and hassidish. I don't know how much abuse there is out there I only know about my own. Why haven't I come forward? Because at first I was scared about what my father was doing to me. Then, when I told someone at cheder they told me it was lashon hara. When I told my father that if he didn't stop I would call the police he laughed in my face and told me that no one would believe me and that everyone would believe him. What's the final reason I put up with being used by these "men"? Because they have promised me that while I cooperate they won't touch my little brother and since I have no worthwhile life of my own now, his safety is all I care about. You should listen to us victims sometimes. It seems so simple to other people: you're being hurt - tell someone. Tell someone that a guy who is regularly called a tzaddik is raping you? They told me there would be cherem against me if I spoke to goyishe authorities. They tell me that using a boy is nothing because there is no question of virginity. They tell me that it's because I'm gay that they are able to do this - it's my fault. What should I do? If they tell that I'm gay I'll never have a shidduch. My zayde and bubbe will die of shame. I have no life outside my community - I couldn't live in the world out there. So, I hate myself for going along with this and I pray that HaShem will forgive me because he knows I do it to protect my brother. I can't even kill myself because I would be leaving him alone. So, to the person who said if it were true people would know - learn a shtickle torah. We are scared and frightened and we can't talk.
Thank you UOJ for giving us a voice.
boro park alum has left a new comment on your post "Orthodoxy.....ad nauseum":
I went to Beer shmuel till I was 11 and I can tell you that this school would be shut down today for physical abuse. I cant imagine today that that type of crap would be tolerated but in those days it was old school rule that if a rebbe frasks you then its ok and worse your parents would hit you for getting frasked.
Funny story, I ran into this one kid who really was physically abused all the time. It was like shawshank redemption stuff. The rabbi would hit a 9 year old with a stick but this kid in particular was sop toughened up that he wouldn’t cry. The Rabbi would hit that kid until he would show a tear. So it wasn’t just corporal punishment but to beat the child to the po8int of tears and breaking his spirit. So when I ran into this guy at a wedding of Lee's friend (he was her cousin ironically) they guy turns out to be a Chassid with a beard the whole works. To my wife's dismay, he confirmed e=everything I said. Lee heard these stories but I don’t really think she filly comprehended it until she heard it form this kid. SO here's the kicker, the kid said
SO here's the kicker, the kid said that while he disagrees with the school and what happened he does agree that hitting a student should be allowed.
The cycle continues....unreal.
No problem.
Continue your crusade.
However, why have you chosen to not block all of nivul peh posted in your comments section.
It certainly seems to me that it's not in the best interests of whatever you wish to accomplish to make this blog into a place where normal people are reluctant to visit. (And I'm not referring to the content; I refer to the nivul peh and lashon hara that you allow into the comments section).
For the record,
With regard to innocence until proven guilty let the record stand that with instances of immoral indecent perversion the Rambam and others have clearly stated that it is the torahs view that the accused is to be presumed GUILTY and extreme measures are to be taken. See rabbi wozner's responsa on the Tendler Affairs posted on many sites including Theawarenesscenter.org
From now on children....no more quoting halakha without mentioning the sources and basis to your statements. OK?
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