Rabbi Leib Tropper is heard on tape urging his "cutie pie," Shannon Orand, to have sex with others, and fantasizing about rape!

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I'M GOING TO LEAVE THIS POST UP UNTIL THE AGUDATH ISRAEL ISSUES A STATEMENT ON THE TROPPER SCANDAL!
R' Shmuel Kaminetzky at podium - R' Reuvein Feinstein to his left



THOU SHALT NOT! Rabbi Leib Tropper is heard on tape urging his "cutie pie," Shannon Orand, to have sex with others, and fantasizing about rape.

Tal-mood for love
Sex-tape rabbi tries to 'share' hottie
By REUVEN BLAU and MELISSA KLEIN

Last Updated: 7:44 AM, December 20, 2009

Eww, that's not kosher!

A prominent Orthodox rabbi has been caught on tape discussing his apparent love affair with a shikse that was converting to Judaism -- whom he allegedly also pushed to have sex with his friends. Rabbi Leib Tropper of Rockland County is heard encouraging pretty, blond Shannon Orand of Houston to participate in phone sex and actual sex with men the rabbi knows, including one he calls "the Satmar guy. Tropper, who calls the woman "darling" and "cutie pie," talks about his own love affair with her at one point, saying: "I want to squeeze you. He also fantasized about rape. "I could role-play a rape with you but I couldn't actually rape you -- you know what I'm saying, darling -- does that make sense?" he asks.

The scandal has rocked the Orthodox community from Rockland County to Israel, and transcripts of the sex tapes are circulating on Jewish blogs, with the audio posted on YouTube. The rabbi talks about paying Orand money for a lawyer and a stipend of $1,300 for the month of November. He also mentions putting in writing an agreement between the two.

"Why would you want to document that kind of agreement on an e-mail?" an upset Orand asks. Orand, who identifies herself on the tape, apparently recorded the phone conversations. "It was only supposed to go to a few leading rabbis," Orand, 32, told The Post. She refused to comment further, and later released a statement saying, "While an individual 'rabbi' acted in an inappropriate manner, my desire to become a bona fide Jew is undeterred. Orand reportedly told a Jewish blog, failedmessiah.com, that Tropper would tell her: "If you fulfill my needs, I'll fulfill yours -- and you need a conversion.

The blog reported that Orand's conversion was to have been finalized last week, but was canceled at the last minute by a religious court. Tropper declined to comment, but a source close to him said the rabbi feels like he's a victim and was used by Orand.

He resigned effective Dec. 12 from Eternal Jewish Family, a Monsey-based organization that primarily works to convert gentiles in interfaith marriages to Judaism. The 59-year-old rabbi is the founder of Eternal Jewish Family and sought to create strict universal guidelines for conversion, which are handled differently by various Jewish sects.

rblau@nypost.com

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Harav Shmuel Kaminetsky Gives Eternal Jewish Family a Brocho - August 24, 2009

Sources:

Harav Shmuel Kaminetsky, Rosh Yeshiva of the Philadelphia Yeshiva, gave a brocha to Eternal Jewish Family for its work and mentioned the “vast problem we are dealing with here in America because of intermarriage and Jewish conversion. To illustrate the accomplishments of a proper geirus, Harav Kaminetsky used the example of Ruth, whose Jewish conversion (geirus) escorted her to the pinnacle of greatness among the Jewish people. Other presenters included Rabbi Nota Schiller, Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein, Rabbi Yonasan Rosenblum, Rabbi Dovid Shochet, Rabbi Dovid Gottleib, Rabbi Mordechai Fishberg, Rabbi Mordechai Neugroschel, and Rabbi Doron Kornbluth.*

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"....But in any battle between an institution and an idea, the idea, in the long run, has the better of it. I do not enter into the absurdity of arguing that the truth always survives. I believe nothing of the sort. As a matter of fact, it seems to me that an idea that happens to be true -- it seems to me that such an idea carries a special and often handicap.

The vast majority of men prefer delusion to truth. It soothes. It is easy to grasp. Above all, it fits more snugly than the truth into a universe of false appearances -- of complex and irrational phenomena, defectively grasped. But though an idea is true, is this not likely to prevail, and an idea that is attacked enjoys a great advantage.

One never hears of a martyr in history whose notions are seriously disputed today. The forgotten ideas, rather, are those of men who put them forward soberly and quietly, hoping fatuously that they would conquer by force of their truth; these are the ideas we now struggle to rediscover.

Had an idea "or a group of ideas" lived to be burned at the stake by outraged "orthodox lunatics", it would have been a glorious day for these ideas. As it is, it is helped on their way every time they are denounced as immoral and against God...."

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Thursday - December 31, 2009

In conjunction with the decision of made by the standing committee of the Conference of European Rabbis (CER) that met in Moscow in the month of Kislev we strongly object to involvement of the organization known as the Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) in matters of conversion in Europe. By virtue of the fact that the abovementioned organization (EJF) involves itself in matters of conversion to actively influence gentiles to convert which is against the traditions of our community from previous times, and there is a concern for a breach of the walls of our faith in Europe, and by virtue of the fact that the leaders of this aforementioned organization caused a desecration of the Divine Name and a disgrace to the name of the Orthodox Rabbinate throughout the world in recent weeks, we the leaders of the Kehilos HaKodesh in Europe call upon the organization called the Eternal Jewish Family to cancel their planned seminar. If they do not heed our request we call upon the Rabbis that were invited to the seminar not to participate with them and to guard themselves from entering there.

Signed by The London Beis Din, The State Beis Din and the Conference of European Rabbis

London Beth Din

Av Beth Din - the Chief Rabbi, Dr. Jonathan Sacks
Rosh Beth Din - Dayan Ch Ehrentreu - RETIRED NO LONGER WITH LBD - On Tropper's payroll since 2006
Dayan M Gelley
Dayan I Binstock
Dayan I Berger (Consultant)

The London Beth Din in its capacity as Court of the Chief Rabbi is historically the supreme Halakhic Authority for several commonwealth countries and additionally is consulted by Batei Din throughout Europe.
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EJF AFFILIATED RABBIS AND "BATEI DIN" - lifted from Shmarya
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Interview with Conference of European Rabbis Rav Dunner Speaks Out Against EJF

By 5TJT Staff

Published on Thursday, January 07, 2010

The Conference of European Rabbis is the primary Orthodox Rabbinic organization in Europe. It was founded in 1956 on the initiative of British Chief Rabbi Sir Israel Brodie, and its current executive director is Rabbi Aba Dunner. All the chief Rabbis across Europe joined the organization, and attended its first conference in Amsterdam. It is now run by a standing committee of 25 members which meets twice a year, and just met in Moscow. The Five Towns Jewish Times and VINNEWS spoke with Rabbi Dunner in an exclusive interview concerning the recent statement by the Conference of European Rabbis about the EJF (the Eternal Jewish Family).

Interviewer: Firstly, can you tell me about the Conference of European Rabbis?

RD: We are an umbrella organization of all the Chief Rabbis in Europe ranging from Dublin to Kazikstan. They turn to us for guidance. It was designed to prevent the non-authentic forms of Judaism from entering Europe.

Since then, the Conference of European Rabbis has been active in four main areas. The office in Brussels deals with combating anti-Semitism, and attempts to stop Shechita. There is also a “Lo Tishkach” department identifying the 20,000 Jewish cemeteries and mass graves in Europe and to protect them. The fourth area is to establish a Bais Din in areas where they do not have them in order to stop what we call, “Cowboy Geirus and Gittin.”

INT: What else does it do?

RD: We also have a department that builds Mikvaos. A Rav without a Mikvah is like someone with one hand tied behind his back. How can a Rav discuss Taharas HaMishpacha without access to a Mikvah? This is something else that we do.

INT: One would think that there would be worldwide condemnation against Leib Tropper, the former leader of the EJF, and its organization - yet there is virtually nothing. Why is that?

RD: We are amazed why it is. We unmasked this organization and the chap who ran it, I would not call him Rabbi - before this scandal.. We found him to be a control freak and a megalo-maniac, we found him to be so disrespectful of Rabbanim that there was a unanimous vote of the standing committee to make sure that he and his organization do not enter Europe.

Having a seminar of mixed intermarried couples to convert is so bizarre - this was all done in order to gain favor with their sponsor.. We decided, en masse that we wanted nothing to do with EJF .. We are amazed that the Gedolim have not come out against this. We do not understand this at all.

I will press and will continue to press very hard to continue to ensure that this organization ceases from its nefarious activities.

INT: Are you aware of any improprieties by this organization in terms of pushing onto the batei Dinim questionable Geirus?

RD: I have heard stories from America in this regard, but do not know firsthand. I have found the tape to be so terribly shocking, however, that anything can be.

INT: Have you experienced this organization undoing a proper Geirus?

RD: I have only heard that they do such things but do not know of anything for certain. I like to know names and facts before I take a stand on something as serious as this.

I have no idea what their criterion [for geirus] is, if a geirus came in we would make inquiries. We do know of certain unscrupulous batei dinim - there are questionable rabbonim. We look at the geirus that comes up on the table.

This EJF was a random organization, a private organization by a miniscule Rosh Yeshiva in Monsey. What are we talking about here? He has no experience. It is a private organization that got numerous people involved in it for reasons that we all know.. He tried to assume authority and dictated to people what they can and cannot do.. I don’t know why Mr. Tom Kaplan would do this..

INT: Are you convinced that these tapes are legitimate?

RD: Yes, absolutely. I heard the tapes, I know his voice. They are absolutely, totally, and completely genuine.. The whole thing is sick. Never in my entire klal life did I ever experience anything like this. It is quite sick I am 72 years old and, unfortunately, I was exposed to these tapes. I had to hear things that never in my life I would thought to hear. To think of the person and what he did. So unbelievable and so terrible!

INT: But what about the possible good work that he may have done here? Should we throw out the entire organization because of what he did?

RD: Yes, absolutely. Mendelson translated the Tanach into German. He was an apikores. I once asked my father (Rav Dunner‘s father was the head of Keddassiah)- He said, “Abba, it is Assur, this is apikorsus any work that he has done has apikorsus in it..

The same goes to an organization that has been founded by this depraved individual.. He has no right whatsoever to have a Yeshiva.. He is a man that should stay home and be happy that nobody stones him. The same goes for his organization..

Let Mr. Kaplan put his money into Jewish education. Schools are dying because of this economic situation. That is the future of Klal Yisroel.. He could do so much more with his money. The amount of money that has gone down through this black hole is sinful.. Don’t pollute our Jewish world with this type of organization..

INT: What would you recommend American Rabbonim do in the meantime?

RD: They should organize themselves and come up with an alternative method of evaluating geirus.. There are very capable and fine Rabbonim in America. They are quite capable of doing it themselves and working it out themselves. I am sure they can do that to put their house in order.. They should not take money from such an organization..

INT: What in your opinion should Rabbis do who have accepted money personally when they attended these EJF Conferences?

RD: If someone got personal money they should give it to tzedaka, as being part of the backers of EJF - they should immediately give it away. Not back to the EJF.

But chas veshalom they should put it in their pockets..

They should also write a letter to EJF and say, “We want nothing to do with the organization and the funds we received we are forwarding to the following tzedaka organization.. The mosdos of chinuch.” If there is all that money, it should be given to a useful purpose..

INT: Are there any other statements you would like to say regarding this situation?

RD: I call upon every single Rav in America to look at themselves in the mirror and say to themselves:

“Did I do the right thing [in taking EJF money]? For the sake of Chillul Hashem we should show that when the truth comes out, we should say we made a mistake. We know the truth - a genuine mistake. We were wrong. We therefore say, “EJF goodbye! Close down. We don’t need you.” and say to Tom Kaplan, “Please use your money for education.” - That is my call to them..

INT: Thank you Rabbi Dunner, this has been most enlightening.

RD: Thank you.
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LEIB TROPPER AND HIS "EJF" - "ETERNAL JEWISH FAMILY" - IS DECLARED A FRAUD AND A DANGER TO JUDAISM!

The UOJ Archives - November 2007

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November 18, 2007

In UOJ language - THE WEASEL TROPPER IS A FILTHY FRAUD! He should be shunned by any honest rabbi...(there are precious few!) The low-life charlatan is an example of another mean-spirited and evil person, dressed in full "rabbi" regalia, preying on the weak, naive and the vulnerable! Tropper - I'll come after you as an exterminator goes after poisonous rats! I'm on to you and your pathetic scam! You're going down - BIG!




Rav Sternbuch, shlita approved translation by Daniel Eidensohn

5th of Kislev 5768

Concerning the Holiness of the Jewish People “ the Holy Nation.

The senior dayanim of the Bedatz met today to discuss allegations that certain kiruv activists are actively proselytizing the children of intermarried couples to convince them to convert “ even though according to Torah law there is no halachic relationship with their Jewish fathers. They are calling for the acceptance of these non-Jewish children in Jewish programs and religious schools.

Such an action is literally a disaster and self-destructive. It is self-evident that such a program is absolutely prohibited by the Torah.

Furthermore until now anyone who wanted to marry a non-Jewess Heaven forbend! We knew very well that this act would sever them from the Jewish people forever.

Because of the dire consequences of intermarriage, there was a strong barrier that prevented many from intermarrying. However now that the consequence of exclusion from the Jewish people has been removed - this motivation not to intermarry has been lost. Consequently these intermarried couples and their children remain amongst the Jewish people. This results in their non-Jewish children being accepted into religious schools out of the hope that they will eventually convert.

Therefore we are warning that this activity is against the Torah. It has never been acceptable to proselytize non-Jews. Furthermore as we mentioned it actually encourages intermarriage.

We therefore are turning to the poskim and the roshei yeshivos not to participate in their conventions - such as the one that occurred in America last week. Even if their motivation was to improve the standards of conversions “ they are making improvements in one area while making things worse in another.

This approach is directly causing serious problems.

Those who heed our cautions will benefit and receive blessings.

We - the members of the Bedatz in Jerusalem - affix our signature to this document out of fear and concern for the holiness of the Jewish people “ the holy nation.

Rabbi Reuvein Feinstein Head Of The Cover-up For Leib Tropper!

EJF Updates Press Releases
12/14/2009

Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel Assumes EJF Leadership, Rav Leib Tropper Steps Down

Statement by the Eternal Jewish Family

The Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) announces today that Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, the Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshiva Zichron Moshe in South Fallsburg and one of the leading Gedolei Hatorah internationally, has agreed to assume the position of Chairman of the Rabbinic Committee of the Eternal Jewish Family following an announcement that Rav Leib Tropper has resigned that position effective December 12, 2009. Rav Wachtfogel joins a distinguished board of rabbinic and halachic authorities who oversee the activities of EJF, headed by Rav Reuven Feinstein, Chairman of the Halachic Committee (US), Dayan Chanoch Ehrentreu (Europe) and Rav Shmuel Eliezer Stern (Av Bais Din of Rabbi Wosner’s Bais Din – Israel).

EJF also announced that Rabbi Chaim Blum, EJF’s liaison to the network of Botei Din in the Torah community, has agreed to serve as interim director of EJF. The organization operates offices in the US, Europe and Israel with international headquarters in Monsey NY. In accepting the position, Rabbi Blum said: “The recent announcement by Rav Tropper that he is resigning his post at EJF is accepted with sadness and regret but we appreciate the years of dedication and service he brought to the organization. His vision, expertise and leadership significantly contributed to EJF’s success. The announcement by some of the world’s leading Torah authorities that they will take an increased role in the Eternal Jewish Family is testimony of the organization’s strength and commitment to its core mission. The many people who benefit from EJF’s activities should know that the organization remains fully committed to its important mission, one which has helped thousands of people in their pursuit of a Jewish life.”

Statement by Rabbi Leib Tropper

I have decided to resign my position at the Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) effective December 12, 2009 to pursue a variety of other interests.

As a founder of EJF, I am proud of my role of being an architect of a very dynamic and important movement in our community. I will in the coming months do my utmost to be of service to the Jewish community in any way I can. I am extremely enthusiastic that a distinguished Torah personality of the stature of Rav Ela Ber Wachtfogel has agreed to assume my position of Chairman of the Rabbinic Committee and that Rabbi Chaim Blum has agreed to serve as interim director of EJF. I wish every continued success to EJF, its rabbinic leadership and the extraordinary team of dayanim and dedicated individuals that serve the organization in many parts of the world.

Statement by Rav Reuven Feinstein, President of Halachic Committee on EJF

It is with a deep sense of regret and yet renewal that I note a change in leadership of the Eternal Jewish Family that includes the agreement by Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel to serve as Chairman of the Rabbinic Committee of the Eternal Jewish Family. I hope that Rav Leib Tropper’s decision to resign his position at EJF will serve him and his family well. At the same time, I have also agreed to take on a more active role in overseeing all of the halachic nuances of EJF in assuring that all universally accepted conversions are in compliance with the highest standards of halacha. I wish to reassure the community that EJF will continue to be guided by the highest halachic standards under the leadership of the Gedolei Yisroel, headed by Rav Wachtfogel and myself in the US, Dayan Chanoch Ehrentreu in Europe and Rav Shmuel Eliezer Stern in Israel.

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Personally, I believe and have believed for years that Tropper is a low-life of the worst order; I put him in the same category of unconscionable scumbags along with Shalom, Mordecai and Aron Tendler.

Rabbi Leib Tropper, EJF head, allegedly verbally coerced, manipulated and negotiated various sex acts and other perversions with a female conversion candidate -- for himself and others.

Any person or persons wishing to submit additional confidential reports of sexual abuse or solicitiation of sexual favors by Rabbi Leib Tropper, or scandalous verifiable information about the organization known as the Eternal Jewish Family, EJF, are invited to send whatever information they deem appropriate to:

bobX@anonymousspeech.com

My message to Reuvein Feinstein:

If you think you can cover up this scandal and blame the victims, I'll come after you with everything I have!

Reuvein --- this house of prostitution called EJF should be shut down!

UOJ

THE TENDLER TRINITY OF HUMAN GARBAGE!

For at the very least - twenty years, YULA and the RCC (Rabbinical Council Of California), have been enabling Shalom Tendler and Aron Tendler to be in a setting that caused great harm to their victims, under the cloak of respectability. There are numerous victims that could have been spared a life of misery if YULA and the RCC would have expelled these two vicious sub-humans when they became aware of their activities in the late 1980's.

The civil liability may extend to the Shaarey Tzedek Congregation, and the Young Israel Of North Beverly Hills as well and their officers.

I urge the victims to consult, anonymously if you wish, with Jeffrey Herman Esq. the world renown sex abuse advocate at: jherman@hermanlaw.com--1800-686-9921. His website is hermanlaw.com for information about his successes.

Please contact as well, the religion editor of the L.A. Times, Mr. Steve Padilla.

Steve can be reached at:steve.padilla@latimes.com.It is long past due that we hold everyone accountable for the damage caused to Judaism and our children.

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This was sent to me by an anonymous reader...... I have been accused over and over again that I'm not doing enough to go after the sins of our MO brothers. While I must admit that there are plenty of nasty incidents in the MO world that are horrifying, in my opinion they are dwarfed by the criminality and corruption involved --- and the number of events in the charedi sector. So I will put this up after some slight editing...the thrust of this rant is intact! I'm assuming he sent the original rant to Mr. Pareve Veggie Burger...aka the Chelmer Putz from Chicago .... I believe there is "some" truth here. How much, you decide. I did edit out certain rabbis' names...The writer does not understand -- that while Lanner conned everyone; Kolko conned noone, EVERYONE KNEW HE WAS SCREWING WITH LITTLE KIDS AND THE "GEDOLIM" STILL LEFT HIM IN THE CLASSROOM!

........"So Harry, you’re appalled by the ban eh? Good for ya. But let me ask you, where were you when the midgets of the RCA issued a ban on American cars and told us to switch over to Corollas and hybrids? I can’t even fit in those matchboxes, but I guess for those morons global warming means more than your life. And of course what I smoke is their business, ain’it? But if they’re so hell bent on saving my life via refraining from tobacco, how can they shove me into a Corolla? Well, I guess that’s their Da’as Torah. Oops, they reject the notion. So it’s their psak.

So Harry, you’re appalled by the fact that a “Rebbe” was molesting children for 40 years and left in that school, aintcha? Well let me tell you something, your dear gadol knew about it all along the way and didn’t do jack. The first formal (i.e. criminal) accusation came nearly 30 years after the fact, you know that well. But let me ask your dear Gedolim, where were they when NCSY was covering up for Baruch Lanner, who did penetrate a kid or two. It was again your gadol who put him away, in the quietest way possible, so as to save NCSY’s and YU’s good name.

BTW, Harry, aren't YOUR articles published in a rag that supports Hillary Clinton and Mordy Tendler? Oh, I'm not allowed to mention it, sorry.
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You know, Mordechai Tendler, who shtupped every married woman in his congregation (no big deal here, admittedly, as in MO circles this is the norm) all the while the lowlife Klass brothers, who publish your articles among other rubbish (let’s see if they have the guts to publish your article on the ban too - something tells me they don’t), were covering for him. What about good ol' Uncle Shalom Tendler in L.A., the filthy pervert that people are now claiming molested both Mordy and Aron? Let's not forget that Uncle Shalom and Aron were doing and sharing high school girls in L.A., and any woman without false teeth, while Rabbi Dr. Moshe was running around besmirching Kollel Avreichim and covering up his dear jewels’ crimes, while your YU boys in L.A. were selling Holocaust memorabilia.
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But your Dear Deer had the gall to go to Teaneck – wife-swapping capital of the world, and I take Steven Pruzansky who knows yet does nothing about it as my witness – and give a “drashsa” (read: accolades to UOJ for having courageously dragged Rav Elchonon Wasserman through the mud) about calling the police on child molesters. Well, can you ask this crusader why didn’t he call the cops on Lanner?

My dear, it is you who held the Jerusalem Rabbonim accountable for Kolko’s crimes, so here’s one for the road. (If you have patience do some research in the Israeli media -it's old stuff so I won't kill myself digging it up.

But here's a worthy quote: "Attorney-General Elyakim Rubinstein decided yesterday not to prosecute former Ashkenazi chief rabbi Avraham Shapira and former NRP MK and current NRP candidate Haim Druckman for failing to take action against the former head of Yeshivat Netiv Meir, Rabbi Ze'ev Kopolevitch. Kopolevitch has been indicted on charges of forcing 19 of his students to engage in homosexual relations with him.

Police investigated allegations that some of the students had complained about Kopolevitch to Shapira, the head of the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva, and Druckman, who was head of the B'nei Akiva yeshivot at the time, and that they had not passed on the complaints to the authorities. Police recommended prosecuting the two rabbis. Rubinstein did not provide the reasons for his decision not to do so. Dan Izenberg" )

But I guess rape and murder are not enough to make you tremble; A ban on idiotic concerts is. Well, I guess if I were a moron who calls Shlomo Carlebach “rabbi” while spitting on real talmidei chachomim, I’d tremble too...............

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One can get seriously ill reading peoples' attitudes to the sex-abuse crisis at hand in the Orthodox Jewish community. Orthodox Judaism is disintegrating in front of our very eyes...and we're pontificating who is more at fault; the brainless-criminal rabbis or the brainless - idiot plain Jew!



There's been an utter breakdown in our humanity - our brain functions have ceased functioning as humans. We have become sub-animals; rabbis working on the survival instinct of preserving their reputations and yeshivas at all costs - not the God-given intelligence, command and instinct to protect our vulnerable children!



The Torah commands us - in the very essential mitzva of Shiluach Hakan...shalach tishalach es ha'em...send away the mother-bird before you capture the child-bird - because the suffering of the mother is unbearable for her to observe; to see her offspring - hurt, slaughtered or captured.



To me this is - and always was - the essence of our Torah ha'kdosha. Rachamim...caring for our children - indeed the essence of a viable society. The Torah understood that if we, the bnei Yisroel, were to understand the essence of this tzivui Hashem for birds/animals; we would certainly derive there-from that a parent would not be able to bear any pain heaped on their offspring and protect them at all costs; and indeed those are the instincts of normal people.



We mock, rightfully so, the degradation of society at large; look at their kids' heroes and values! Look what is recreation for them! Look at the fatherless children; in many cases the children do not even know - who - the father is - never mind having a parent to actually take care of them.



Have you been to a zoo recently? Ever notice that the mama monkey protects their baby from harm from other dangerous apes? ---------



Now - that - you - know - that there is at least one child-rapist in every yeshiva and many in your girls' schools - as bad as the Tendler Trinity of human garbage - what - are - you - idiot - parents - doing - about - it? --- Planning for Pesach? --- Which fress place serves more main dishes? Which tea room is open 24 hours? Huh? Chaim Kaminetzky cheap on the chocolates - to hell with him, we'll go to Moishe Wein. WHAT!!!! no private seder room? I'm gonna bounce that check on the momzer! -Right?



What will it take for you to realize that these "rabbis/gedolim" that you trusted to care for, and protect at all costs - the essence of the Torah - rachamim...only to now know for certain, that they are the biggest achzorim and menuvalim?--- Not all - but most!



Nothing doing...we're off to Florida, UOJ - don't bother us with your crap! OK!?



Darwin had it wrong - we are less human than the apes and monkeys. Their brains are more developed than ours, they take care of their kids, and we trust the gedolim....

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BOROUGH PARK YENTAS IN RUBASHKIN'S DELI! WHERE'S THE BEEF? SUCH A GONIFF!

It was a court order!

A Bishop’s Words

Editorial: December 6, 2009

In the end it was not the power of repentance or compassion that compelled the Roman Catholic Diocese of Bridgeport, Conn., to release more than 12,000 pages of documents relating to lawsuits alleging decades of sexual abuse of children by its priests.

It was a court order!

The diocese had spent seven years fighting a lawsuit brought by The New York Times and three other newspapers to unseal the records in 23 lawsuits involving accusations against seven priests. The diocese, which settled those cases in 2002, was ready to battle all the way to the United States Supreme Court to keep the archive secret. It lost in October, when the justices declined to hear its appeal.

Much about those cases was known, and the documents do not greatly revise our knowledge about the scandal that engulfed the entire church after erupting in Boston in 2002. The accounts of priests preying on children, being moved among parishes and shielded by their bishops while their accusers were ignored or bullied into silence, are a familiar, awful story.

But still it is hard not to feel a chill reading the testimony from two depositions given in 1997 and 1999 by Edward Egan, who was then bishop of Bridgeport and later named a cardinal and archbishop of New York. As he skirmishes with lawyers, he betrays a distressing tendency to disbelieve accusers and to shuck off blame.

He responds to accounts of abuse not with shame but skepticism, and exhibits the keen instinct for fraternal self-protection that reliably put shepherds ahead of the traumatized flock.

Referring to the Rev. Raymond Pcolka, whom 12 former parishioners accused of abuses involving oral and anal sex and beatings, Bishop Egan said: “I am not aware of those things. I am aware of the claims of those things, the allegations of those things. I am aware that there are a number of people who know one another, some are related to one another, have the same lawyers and so forth.”

Absent in those pages is a sense of understanding of the true scope of the tragedy. Compare Bishop Egan’s words with those of the archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, who, after the release of a recent report detailing years of abuse and cover-ups in Ireland, said:

“The sexual abuse of a child is and always was a crime in civil law; it is and always was a crime in canon law; it is and always was grievously sinful. One of the most heartbreaking aspects of the report is that while church leaders — bishops and religious superiors — failed, almost every parent who came to the diocese to report abuse clearly understood the awfulness of what was involved.”

Bishop Egan, with institutional pride, looks at the relatively low rate of proven abuse cases as a sort of perverse accomplishment.

“It’s marvelous,” he said, “when you think of the hundreds and hundreds of priests and how very few have even been accused, and how very few have even come close to having anyone prove anything.”

Why wait for Agudah? Parents must safeguard children's safety!

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Issue of December 4, 2009/ 17 Kislev 5770 - By Asher Lipner

Many Jewish parents are pleasantly surprised that at the Agudah convention last week, the Gedolim admitted that child sexual abuse is a big problem in our community. People hope that this crack in the legendary rabbinic denial is a step forward in actually doing something about the problem.

This comes on the heels of another recent admission in the New York Times by an Agudah spokesperson that the problem of abuse in our community "cannot be handled internally." In a public letter in 2007 Baltimore's Vaad HaRabonim ruled that an abuser is a "rodef" (a murderer), that "virtually all means may be used to stop him and bring him to justice," and that all "credible concerns of abuse must be reported to the authorities. " In 2006, a memo to yeshiva principals from the Rabbinical Board of Torah Umesorah strongly advised schools to have safety protocols. It emphasized, "It is incumbent upon everyone to use every means to stop these violations of children, including… exposing the identities of the abusers and even their incarceration. "

All that is now needed is for rabbis to simply fulfill what they have already promised: to encourage and support publicizing molesters and reporting them to the police. When victims see that they really have communal support, many more will come forward to tell us who the abusers are that our children need protection from. When molesters see strong action taken, instead of the historic bullying of victims to keep quiet, they will think twice before harming another child.

A good start would be to publicize the names of those already convicted of crimes against children, and those who are known by leaders to be guilty. For example, infamous molester Baruch Lanner recently disappeared from the government's registry of sex offenders. What if NCSY and the Orthodox Union, his former employers, took measures to warn the public of the danger he represents to young people everywhere? What if instead of parents needing to look at blogs to find out about Jewish molesters, the leading organizations published a list of them the same way lists of men who refuse to give their wives a get are published? What if instead of allowing the community to shame and vilify victims of abuse who speak up, the rabbis publicly thanked and praised as heroes those courageous enough to warn the community about their molesters?

While we wait to see if the Agudah is just talking the talk or is going to finally walk the walk, parents should realize that they are ultimately responsible for their children's safety. Some are already independently searching for ways to protect children without waiting for their leaders to act. Many have asked the Jewish Board of Advocacy for Children for guidance.

While the "experts" are telling the community that parents need to speak to their children about not "letting" anyone touch them inappropriately, and to inform their parents if anyone does, obviously children cannot be solely responsible for their own protection. As their caregivers, parents need to provide them with a safe environment. Here is how:

1) Report any and all suspicions directly to the police. Even though some will not want to press charges, such as when the molester is a spouse, sibling or parent, the only way to make sure that the molester is kept out of reach of children is to involve the authorities in some manner.

DO NOT report to rabbonim, "askanim" or frum community "liaisons," because each of these groups has a conflict of interest. DO bring a "rape victims advocate," such as from the Coalition Against Sexual Assault or from the Jewish Board of Advocacy for Children, with you, to prevent the possibility that community pressure will impede the police from acting aggressively.

2) Demand that your children's camps and schools create safety and prevention plans to stop molestation and cover-ups.

To learn what schools must do, visit www.jewishadvocates .org and read the position paper that lobbies the State of New York to mandate private schools to have safety measures at least the equivalent of those in public schools.

3) Bring education and awareness to your community by holding forums where adult survivors tell their tragic stories. Rabbis, parents and even mental health professionals have all said that hearing first hand accounts of the process of how a molester wins the trust and gains access to children, as well as the devastating emotional effects that abuse can have, is one of the most effective ways to learn the whole ugly truth about the travesty. Recently, in a black-hat shul in Passaic, 300 people came out to hear five survivors, including a teenage girl, give testimony and teach parents about issues of safety and prevention.

In the Five Towns and around Nassau County, in communities known as progressive and leading in many aspects of Chinuch and Torah, parents will surely want to contact the JBAC to arrange educational events to learn more about child safety.

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A peek at next year's AA Fressers Convention - Master of Ceremonies - Marvin Schick Esq.

Hi -- My name is Marvin, and I'm an alcoholic!

Gathering responds - Hi Marvin!

I did not say a "recovering" alcoholic, because that word infers that I am cured. We are never cured; just like an idiot [see above photo with comic book in hand] can never be cured from their mental illness! It took me some time to admit that I'm sick as well as all of you here tonight, really sick. But it's a good start...my advice is to drink borscht instead - right in back of the room -- Avi Shafran will see to it that you get a double on the rocks. Now what's this I hear about kids in yeshiva being molested by their rebbes? Hey...Avi, did you spike my borscht?

Alcoholics Anonymous® Fressers is a fellowship of men and "others who have feet" [edited by ArtScroll] who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking and lying. There are no dues or fees for AA membership (there is a tax at the meat carving station); we are self-supporting through the good graces of the U.S. government contributions. AA Fressers is not allied with any really overly-weird sect like cannibalism, abomination denominations, politics [Vote for Jon Corzine in New Joisy], out of the closet homosexual organizations or institutions, certainly not Yeshiva University; does not wish to engage in any meaningful controversy or dialogue, neither endorses nor opposes [except one] any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholic fressers to achieve sobriety and truthfulness.

IS A.A. Fressers FOR YOU?

Only you can decide whether you want to give A.A. Fressers a try — whether you think it can help you. We who are in A.A.F. came because we finally gave up trying to control our drinking and lying. We still hated to admit that we could never drink and lie [and chew gum] safely at the same time. Then we heard from other A.A.F. members that we were sick. We thought so for years, and now we have UOJ confirming it! [He has not been wrong yet]

Be strong and make sure to return next year, to find out if any of our members have fallen off the borscht wagon; seeing for yourself is believing, no lashon hara would then be necessary.

Now a few words from Rabbi Lipa Margulies shlita who will lead the gathering in reciting the Tehillim.

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