Is That a Sandwich in Your Bag?
The High Court of Justice is right - setting up separate areas
in hospitals for those wanting to eat food that isn't kosher for
Passover is a disproportionate, humiliating and unfeasible solution
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The High Court of Justice
did well this week when it criticized the state’s proposal to set up
areas outside hospital buildings where hametz – food that isn’t kosher for Passover – could be eaten during the holiday.
Justices Neal Hendel, Uzi Vogelman and
Ofer Grosskopf issued an interim order demanding that the state (albeit
after this coming Passover), explain why any food, including hametz,
can’t be brought into hospitals during the holiday, and that it instruct
the hospitals to find a different, proportionate way to maintain
kashrut during the holiday – for example, by using disposable plates and
cutlery. The state was also asked to explain why hospital security
guards need to be involved in enforcing kashrut regulations.
“Hametz areas,” essentially pens for secular and non-Jewish people, which the state wants to set up at the hospitals during Passover
to preserve their kashrut, is a disproportionate, humiliating and in
any case unfeasible solution. How can a hospital insist that bedridden
patients who want food from home go to a hametz area outside the
building? The state’s demand that the hospitals position a guard at the
entrances who will be authorized to go through people’s belongings not
just to check for weapons, but also to confiscate sandwiches to avoid
the dreaded hametz terror, is ridiculous and exceeds the hospitals’
legal authority.
Attorney Yair Nehorai, who represents the Secular
Forum, which filed the petition against the hospitals’ no-hametz
policy, argued that the law does not give the hospitals the authority to
prevent the entrance of non-kosher food, and that their executives have
no right to prevent anyone from eating what they please. “How do you
enforce this, when more than half the country doesn’t want kosher food?
Guards will find an older woman, a mother bringing food to her child,
and what will they do to her? File an indictment against her?”
Attorney Sausan Zahar of the Adalah –
Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel argued, “It’s
inconceivable that there would be a policy that prevents that Arab
mother or father who wants to bring food to their relatives from
bringing their natural food to a place where those same people are in
their weakest possible state.” She added, “We aren’t asking to mix our
food with the hospital food.
We are asking to bring food by ourselves,
for ourselves, in our own utensils.”
This marks a quantum leap in religious coercion
of individuals by the state, which undermines the individual liberty of
secular Jewish and Arab patients and employees, as well as the rights
and dignity of the patients. The State of Israel is taking giant steps
in a dangerous direction, from a secular state that is committed to
religious freedom toward a theocracy.
Israel is not a halakhic state, and its institutions may not trample on
individual rights. It would behoove the state to listen to the High
Court justices and adopt the proposed solution to use disposable
tableware on Passover, which is a balanced and proportionate solution.
14 comments:
yeah, but here's the other side of the story: it's a week, just a week. Can't live without bread for a week? Really? Then you've got a bigger problem.
The bigger issue ---- there is no bal yiraeh or bal yimatze on other people's chametz. Pure bullying on a non issue!
The Torah only forbids “your” Chametz, but not “other people’s” chametz (Talmud Psachim 6b)
מַצּוֹת יֵאָכֵל אֵת שִׁבְעַת הַיָּמִים וְלֹא־יֵרָאֶה לְךָ חָמֵץ וְלֹא־יֵרָאֶה לְךָ שְׂאֹר בְּכָל־גְּבֻלֶךָ׃
Throughout the seven days unleavened bread shall be eaten; no leavened bread shall be found with YOU, and no leaven shall be found in all YOUR territory.
. "For seven days, yeast shall not be found (LO YIMATZEH) in YOUR homes." (Shemot 12:19)
2. "And there shall be no leavened bread seen by you (LO YERA'EH lekha), nor yeast seen by you in all YOUR borders." (Shemot 13:7)
For all those who said that Margo's "elevators don't go up to the top", who knew that there was one than one meaning behind that?
Could this be a Margo strategy of let me use these efficient Krauts & then stiff them when the bill comes by shreying they are Nazis?
Kings County Civil Court
Index Number: CV-001787-19/KI
Case Name: THYSSENKRUPP ELEVATOR vs. YESHIVA TORAH TEMIMAH
Case Type: Civil
Classification: General
Filing Date: 01/18/2019
from Encyclopedia Brittanica:
Fritz Thyssen became an early backer of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party and helped organize the meeting of German industrialists on Jan. 26, 1933, at which Hitler outlined his program. During Hitler’s drive for the German Chancellery, Thyssen contributed three million marks. Hitler then rewarded his financial sponsor by making Thyssen a member of the German Economic Council and a Prussian state counselor.
Tried and convicted by a German denazification court of being a “minor Nazi,” Fritz Thyssen was ordered to turn over 15 percent of his property to a restitution fund for victims of Nazi persecution. A bitter man, he left Germany in 1950 to visit his daughter, Countess Zichy, in Argentina. It was at her Buenos Aires home that he died of a heart attack at the age of 77.
Please don't fall for this Chiloni propaganda which their real intention is to be oiker everything.
Already bland hospital meals can easily be made chometz free for a week. No one is going to suffer for 8 days without a baloney sandwich.
There is too much potential in a hospital for cross-contamination which is an actual inconvenience for Yidden.
If someone doesn't like it let them check in to the hospital in Ramallah.
The hospital food and kitchen is kosher for Pesach, this is about someone walking in the door giving to a non-religious person a sandwich. The "Rabbanut" has to pick their battles. What now the chometz police?
If it was just as simple as passing off a sandwich I would agree with you. But it's not that simple. There are scenarios that the sandwich creates problem for shomrei Torah, from sinks in shared rooms to someone shlepping the sandwich to a common dining table in the cafeteria to contaminating trays that get mixed in the kitchen. I don't think the Rabbanut would have bothered to do anything unless there was a lot of complaining from frumma patients who had real issues.
In an ideal world, there would be no chometz in Israeli hospitals on Pesach. The inconvenience to the chometz-eaters is miniscule to the harm associated with bringing chometz into the hospital.
But the world is not ideal. The problem is that the Rabbaniut, official and otherwise (Badatz, etc.) have collectively lost the popular respect they should be commanding. They have lost this respect by tolerating and turning the blind eye to abuses from the control freak extremists among them (such abuses are well known and will not be enumerated at this time).
Whenever one blackhat rabbi behaves poorly, it is drek in the faces of all of them! The chickens are coming home to roost.
Never underestimate where UOJ has some kind of hidden agenda. All this talk of sandwiches is probably a dig at me. Back in the Kolko scandal heyday there was content here mocking me as putting on a scuba wetsuit to retrieve a soggy sandwich that had landed in Loch Sheldrake.
The facts are that there is absolutely no way to monitor chometz coming in to hospitals, hotels, or any public venue. People bring in their own food whether in a hospital or in a hotel. One must rely on avoiding shared trays, ...in the room service at hotels or hospitals it is impossible to know what the utensils are being used for. No shortage of the help bringing in their own food ----
There's a crazy old Munkatcher child molester in his 90s, a one time Torah Temimah parent, who uses exactly that M.O. all the time. He orders all kinds of goods & services then ambushes the vendor when it comes time to pay that he was somehow cheated / shorted / the workmanship is no good. The thief has hardly paid for anything in his life. But the Frankel's shul criminal collective continues to cover up for him even after he moved to Monsey. Parents of Monsey victims came close to nailing him with law enforcement until the Munkatcher Rebbe started leveraging his mafia against them. It's ok that the old monster became less chassidish than a Tuna Beigel because in Munkatch all molesters have a din of koidesh hakudushim
He should take the ThyssenKrupp elevator to the top with Margo & the two peas in a pod should jump off the roof on the way back down.
Yankel Horowitz has turned his so called "advocacy" for victims into a real lucrative business
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/being-kind-to-an-abuser-is-cruel-to-the-victim/
here he is taking off his Agudah name tag to work for the Covenant Foundation
https://www.covenantfn.org/about/#board
Covenant is run by women Reform rabbis and ironically has a very similar name to the infamous Covenant House where orphans in Manhattan were molested for many years
Yankel, what have you ever done for victims when there weren't a few bucks in it for you?
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