I Urge all readers of the blog to take the time, immediately, and whenever possible, to contact Sol Werdiger and let him know the message we want him to convey to the Gerer Rebbe: that we are not going to tolerate any more coverups and whitewashings for Mondrowitz; that this man must face justice for abominable crimes; that anyone who aids or protects a criminal is morally as culpable as the criminal himself; and that we will be sure to expose anyone guilty of coverup just as we are succeeding in exposing the story of Mondrowitz. They might mention Pirkei Avoth, 4:5: "Whoever is mi'chalel Hashem in secret will be chastised publicly."
DO IT NOW. Time is of the essence. We may never have such a good chance to ensure that this worst of cases may finally see some justice.
Contact info for Sol Werdiger:
SWERDIGER@OUTERSTUFF.COM
Outer Stuff Ltd.
1370 Broadway 15th Fl
New York, NY 10018
Phone: 212-594-9700
Fax: 212-695-6396
I think this man should hear as much as possible from as many people as possible who are tired of the coverup of Mondrowitz.
Mondrowitz is being held until NOVEMBER 27 (which is his 60th birthday, by the way) when there will be another hearing to determine whether he is to remain incarcerated or released with an electronic tracking device. His lawyer, David Ofek, argued today that the court will have to determine whether he can be held because of the "statute of limitations."
We have to be disciplined and focused in our response. So, for right now... let's hit Werdiger. Hard, and repeatedly. I want him to be so stunned in the next few days he'll be asking the rebbe to do something, anything to get him out of trouble.
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TRANSLATION OF JUSTICE SHIMON FEINBERG’S DECISION
CASE No. 011944/07
HONORABLE JUSTICE SHIMON FEINBERG
THE STATE OF ISRAEL,
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GOVERNMENT
VS.
AVROHOM MONDROWITZ,
RESPONDENT
APPEARING BEFORE THE COURT:
For the Plaintiff: Nili Gesser, Esq. and Marilyn Mazal-Hershkovitz Esq.
For the Defendant: David Ofek, Esq. and Tzivia Golovik Esq.
DECISION
1. In the matter of the request to extend the detention of the Respondents pursuant to Article 7 of the Extradition Law of 1954 (“Extradition Law”).
2. In 1985 the Respondent was issued an indictment in New York, United States on the charges of sodomy and other sexual assaults against five minors between the ages of nine through fifteen. The authorities of the United States issues an arrest warrant against him. However, before they were able to execute the warrant the Respondent fled to Israel. That year, the American authorities requested that the Israeli Government extradite the Respondent back to the United States. At that time the treaty between the two countries did not allow extradition for the crimes the Respondent was accused of. The State of Israel decided to remove him from the country. During that process, the Respondent appealed to the Israeli Supreme Justice Court and the State of Israel decided to abandon the proceedings of his removal. From that time on, the Respondent has been living with his family in Israel.
3. During the course of the past year the protocols of the extradition treaty were modified in a manner in which the crimes that the Respondent stands accused of by the courts of New York became extraditable crimes. In September 2007, the United States authorities requested the extradition of the Respondent from the State of Israel.
4. The Respondent was arrested on November 11, 2007 pursuant to Article 6 of the Extradition Treaty. The Requester now asks for an extension of the Respondent’s incarceration for an additional 12 days for the purpose of obtaining an updated extradition request to amend the request filed many years ago.
5. A hearing of the allegations was held before this Court on November 16, 2007. The Representative today introduced the following additional facts. In May of 2007, a search was conducted of the Respondent’s home where four films containing child pornography were discovered. The Requester also argued that the likelihood of the Respondents fleeing is high if he is not detained, because of his recent knowledge of the change in the Extradition Treaty which now allows his return to United States. The Requester further argues that the Respondent is a threat to the public as evidenced by the above material discovered in his home.
6. The Respondent argued that there are issues of statute of limitations and extensive period of time that has passed since the initial extradition request was made and denied. The Respondent requests that he be released in a manner which assures that the Respondent will reappear once the extradition proceedings commence, even suggesting that the Respondent be released to house arrest and monitored via an electronic monitoring bracelet.
7. The first question to consider is if the Respondent is a candidate for extradition based upon the revised extradition treaty? (See paragraph 6 of the extradition treaty.) We need to answer this request in a positive manner. The treaty between the two countries today states that these offenses are extraditable crimes. The Requester holds affidavits given on behalf of the victims/complainers against the Respondent about the crimes that the Respondent committed. All this evidence is the basis for the indictment against the Respondent, by the Unites States government.
8. Regarding the Respondents claim as to the statute of limitations and the large amount of time that has elapsed, Paragraph 2B (a) 6 of the extradition law, the upholding of the law is conditioned upon the time of the crime or its punishment not exceeding the statute of limitations according to Israeli law. According to paragraph 9 (a) 2 of the Israeli criminal code of 1982, a person cannot be prosecuted for a crime (except in death penalty or life in prison cases) if a period of ten years has past since the day the crime was committed. According to paragraph 9 (3) the statute of limitations commences either from the time of the last day of the investigation, or the day of the indictment or the last day of the proceeding in a court of law, whichever comes last. In our case, all of the proceedings as stated in paragraph 9 (3) above, occurred over ten years ago. The Representative of the government expressed that the statute of limitations might be an issue, however the courts in previous verdicts have recognized other cases where the statute of limitations was frozen where the accused has escaped before prosecution. Based upon paragraph 94-1 (3) of the criminal code, we can come to reject the claim against the statute of limitations.
(See criminal appeal 739-07 (supreme) Yonatan Efrat vs. Attorney General)
I have reviewed this case and concluded that there is a solid basis for the Requesters request regarding the statute of limitations; however this issue has some effect on my decision as to keeping the Respondent incarcerated as I will explain.
9. Another question that paragraph 6 of the extradition law raises is if there is a probable cause that an extradition request shall be filed? To that we answer in the affirmative, and the United States government has declared specifically that it will do so.
10. According to the previous decisions, in a hearing where the subject is in accordance with paragraph 7 to the extradition law, the court shall consider the regular arguments for keeping a person in custody, among them being the safety of the public, the concern of interfering with the investigation and primarily the fear of the accused fleeing, which is a permanent concern in a case of an extradition proceeding. In addition, the court shall consider the commitment that Israel has towards the requesting country – a commitment that is established in an international treaty that is the basis of the extradition law- to extradite the suspect and allow his extradition to the requesting country. This last consideration is a crucial one in a sense that at times it is justified to keep a person in custody even though general custody considerations state that he is to be released, because of the extra dimension that is as a result of Israel’s duty towards the requesting country. [Hon. Justice D. Banish (aka) see case #4422/03 Yitzchak Cohen vs. Attorney General.] These considerations are brought into account also during a proceeding of a requesting of incarceration prior to declaring a person extraditable [See case Jerusalem 11287/04 attorney General vs. Zev Rosenshtien.]
11. In our case, consideration for continued incarceration evolved from danger to the public and fear of the accused fleeing from justice. As to the consideration of danger to the public, findings of the investigation against the Respondent by the Israeli Police Department create a probable cause that the accused is still an active or potential pedophile. The fact that against the accused no criminal offenses have been brought does not negate the known danger of these offenses, especially in the ultra orthodox sector that the accused belongs to, because the victims and their families very often do not complain to the police because of the will of that sector to attempt to solve those problems internally without police involvement, to avoid humiliation to the family. I am not establishing that the accused has commenced any crimes in Israel, but I am not ruling that out either. The fear of fleeing from justice evolves from the revised treaty that allows the extradition of the accused to the United States, a situation that did not exist during the entire period of the accused’s stay in Israel. Additionally, one must bring into account the commitment of the State of Israel towards the requesting country that was established in an international treaty that is the basis of extradition law.
12. All of the above leads me to the conclusion to grant the Representatives request and to hereby order the continued incarceration of the accused. Nevertheless, due to the legality of the statute of limitation as I stated above, there is no room to rule out a potential alternative to incarceration as suggestion by the accused council.
13. Therefore, I hereby extend the incarceration of the accused as requested until November 27, 2007 at 12:00 PM. I am ordering a recommendation report of the Probational Service Office for consideration of a substitute for incarceration including house arrest with an electronic monitoring device. The report shall additionally consider the danger that the accused possesses. The report shall be submitted before the end of the term of incarceration. The report may be used by this court if an additional request for incarceration is filed according to paragraph 7A of the extradition law or if there is a request to declare the accused as extraditable.
14. The secretarial office shall send a copy of this decision to the probation service office.
Given today November 18, 2007 in the presence of all parties.
Shimon Feinberg, Judge
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I came across this a while ago and finally found it again. This applies to all of us. May we all be blessed for it with continued success health and happiness. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world.Indeed it's the only thing that ever has.
Mark Weiss - Survivor - Activist
Ex-Brooklyn rabbi Avrohom Mondrowitz faces extradition to U.S. on kid-sex rap!
BY MATTHEW KALMAN
SPECIAL TO THE NEWS
Monday, November 19th 2007, 4:00 AM
Avrohom Mondrowitz (this summer - left ---- In court - right )
JERUSALEM - A Jerusalem magistrate Sunday ordered a former Brooklyn rabbi accused of raping several boys 20 years ago to jail while American and Israeli officials finalize a U.S. request for his extradition.
Avrohom Mondrowitz, a father of seven, faces extradition to stand trial in New York to answer a 1985 indictment on four counts of sodomy and eight counts of sexual abuse in the first degree.
Mondrowitz, 60, once a popular child psychologist and youth counselor in Borough Park, allegedly sodomized the boys after befriending them or after taking them on trips to the movies and amusement parks.
The U.S. extradition request, resubmitted in September after a change in the treaty between the U.S. and Israel, was delayed after one of the five complainants withdrew from the case.
The U.S. Justice Department is expected to file an amended request this week.
Mondrowitz was arrested early Friday morning at his Jerusalem home and arraigned the same day.
Judge Shimon Feinberg, vice president of the Jerusalem Magistrates' Court, found that Mondrowitz was a possible candidate for extradition and rejected defense arguments that the statute of limitations applied to the offenses, even though they were allegedly committed more than 20 years ago.
Feinberg granted a prosecution request to extend Mondrowitz's imprisonment until Nov. 27 after the prosecution told the court that an Israeli police raid on Mondrowitz's home in May had netted four pedophile movies.
Mondrowitz is due to appear in court again Nov. 27, when Feinberg will decide whether to extend his jailing until the end of the extradition proceedings, which could take several months.
Mondrowitz's wife, Raizel, declared his innocence.
"People can come up 25 years later and say all kinds of things about anybody. No one's had any complaints about him for the last 25 years. This is all old stuff," she said.
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Rabbi Yosef Blau Comments!
The debate about whether the Haredi or modern Orthodox leadership has been more negligent in dealing with sexual abuse and which abuser is worse is at best a side show. Thr Mondrowitz case has raised serious questions about how the Orthodox rabbinate responded to the many accusations that emerged twenty plus years ago in Brooklyn.
Since almost no one has denied his guilt, minimally a public statement should be made expressing sympathy for his apparently many victims (my sources say that he sexually abused essentially all the boys that were sent to him)and support for his being extradited. It is also neccesary that there be a thorough investigation of the reports that various rabbis discouraged Jewish children from cooperating with the police and were complicit in his fleeing to Israel after being indicted. If these allegations are false then no one should be afraid of the facts being uncovered.
Yosef Blau
Steve....Kicks Shafran Where It Should Hurt If He Had Any.....
That is part of why the Torah-observant population is greatly underrepresented in the realms of societal ills like rape, AIDS, prostitution and marital infidelity that affect their less repressed neighbors.
WOW!! Don't we all feel so much better now!! Thank you Avi! UOJ, there is no need for this blog anymore. Tell Elliot Pasik that there is no need for all the fuss about background checks, fingerprinting, registry and mandatory reporting. After all, we are "underrepresented" when it comes to such things as child molestation! Tell all the victims of clergy sexual abuse that they really don't matter, you are "underrepresented".
How this moron continues to write such gibberish and gets away with it is beyond me. It's been a year and a half since that article he's referring to, and forty years since Kolko started his molestation career. Do we have anything in place from the Agudah or Torah Umesorah that will give our children one iota of protection? Why is it that public school children have this protection and our children have nothing? Will Avi L. Shafran or the Agudah ever address these questions head on, or will we continue to hear how wonderful the Orthodox world is, and that we are "underrepresented"? It's like the false prophets before the first Temple destruction, telling the people how wonderful they are.
Until there is a tremendous outcry from the community and a demand for change, we will continue hearing from these false prophets. If you care about your children and grandchildren, start putting pressure on the Agudah, Torah Umesorah and your local politicians. Mandatory background checks, fingerprinting, sex offender registry and mandatory reporting MUST BE ENACTED IN THE YESHIVA SYSTEM AT ONCE!!! I am sorry to say that we are underrepresented when it comes to people crying out for the children. Avi, you are wrong, we have more than our fill of perverts!!
Opinion - In child pornography, fight harder By Ernie Allen
Mon Nov 26, 3:00 AM ET
Alexandria, Va. - Millions of children around the world are being sexually abused and molested. Billions of dollars are changing hands as part of a growing crime wave of child pornography. This is anything but a victimless crime. Children – some as young as infants – are being barbarically assaulted for the sexual gratification of their abusers and those who view their photos.
While inroads have been made in the fight against child pornography, the problem remains severe. We have much more to do.
The Internet has become a child pornography superhighway, turning children into a commodity for sale or trade. Analysts at the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) have reviewed 9.6 million images and videos of child pornography on the Internet just since 2002. There are millions more such images in cyberspace that we have yet to find.
Law enforcement agencies are cracking down on this crime wave. In November, the chief operating officer of the National Children's Museum in Washington was arrested and charged with distributing child pornography over the Internet. Also this month, police across Europe announced they had arrested nearly 100 people linked to a network that allegedly produced and sold child pornography videos to 2,500 customers worldwide.
In 1998 Congress asked NCMEC to create a "9-1-1 for the Internet." We established CyberTipline (www.cybertipline.com), which has received more than 500,000 reports from the public and Internet service providers regarding child sexual exploitation. More than 460,000 of those reports involved child pornography.
What is child pornography? It goes far beyond nude pictures of children. It is the visual depiction – whether in still photos or video – of children being sexually assaulted. In some instances, rapes of children have been shown live over the Internet to paying customers. In 1982, the US Supreme Court held that child pornography is not protected speech but child abuse.
Some suggest that many people who view child pornography just "look at the pictures." But our work on these cases has led us to conclude that for most of those who view these images, sex with children becomes a compulsion and evolves into physical acts with real children.
When NCMEC analysts scour the Internet for child pornography, they determine whether website content is illegal, use search tools and techniques to identify and track down the distributors of child pornography, and then provide the information to the appropriate local, state, federal, or international law enforcement agency.
Law enforcement agencies and NCMEC have managed to identify almost 1,200 of the many children who appear in child pornography. We have found that 35 percent of the photos were taken by a parent, 15 percent by another family member, and 20 percent by someone close to the child or the family. We have provided more than 12,000 evidence reports to prosecutors and law enforcement officers to assist in prosecutions of those accused of these crimes.
Sadly, NCMEC has found that the children being used in these images are getting younger and younger, and the images are becoming more graphic and more violent. Of the children in pornographic photos and videos who have been identified, 58 percent had not yet reached puberty.
To stop the use of credit cards that fuel the child pornography industry, NCMEC created the Financial Coalition Against Child Pornography. Today this coalition includes 90 percent of the US payments industry, with growing international involvement. The 30 companies in the coalition include MasterCard, Visa, American Express, Bank of America, Citigroup, Microsoft, America Online, Yahoo, Google, and many others.
Thanks to the participating companies and extraordinary leadership from federal, state, and local law enforcement, we have virtually eliminated the use of credit cards in child pornography transactions. Although credit card logos still appear on some sites, now when consumers attempt to use credit cards, they either become victims of identity theft or are redirected to another method of payment.
In too many places around the world, the possession of child pornography is handled as a relatively minor offense. In fact, in 136 countries it is not even a crime.
Children depend on adults to keep them safe. We need to do more to protect them from dangerous, cold-hearted predators who want to harm them for pleasure and profit. We need to recognize child pornography as a crime against humanity that must be attacked more forcefully and that deserves harsh punishment.
Ernie Allen is president and CEO of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, a nonprofit charitable organization based in Alexandria, Va.
465 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 465 Newer› Newest»Is alleged child molestor Mondro one of Meyer's "leaders?" He can keep them. Are we cowardly misfits for denouncing this chillul Hashem? I don't think so.
How do we know that Dovid Cohen told Mondrowitz to split? Was he the only Ohel truck driver, I mean posek, going back 23 years?
Is it better to eat lobster bisque and cheeseburgers or anally rape children? The religious world is confusing me. I think I'm better off staying in temple and singing along with the choir on shabbat than becoming a greased out frummie which essentially means my ayhole is up for grabs for the first beard that comes along.
UOJ, is it time to start emailing Target, Wal-Mart, the NFL etc... re OuterStuff's support and protection for a known pederast?
The same Dovid Cohen that urged Pinky Green to split...after of course Green built his shul.
Confirmed!
Ger Rebbe at the time....Confirmed!
Bobover Rebbi at the time....Confirmed!
There are others...I'm working on them.
Remember my criteria...three reliable people that would come forward, if necessary!
Werdiger has got nothing to worry about if Mondrowitz gets extradited. If he stays in Israel...even in jail....Werdiger is in serious hot water.
My staff is already preparing the hit list of the companies he does business with!
Jordan from Syracuse;
Very pithy.
You could probably get Lobster Bisque at La Marais.
UOJ; shucks, you mean I might have to put my A-Rod Jersey away.
If true, then what makes Dovid Cohen tick?
He doesn't hesitate throwing others in jail but Monstro gets a free pass?
Is this info coming from askanim (not noted) who attended secret meetings?
I assume that UOJ cannot retroactively tap phonecalls in the early 1980s.
You can also get lobster bisque from the "Soup Nazi".
Oh, and his beef broth is made with Rubashkins.
The behaima - Dovid Cohen - has been issuing more free passes, many more, than people know...as of yet!
CONFIRMED!
Rabbis Elya Svei - Shmuel Kaminetzky- Shea Fishman---URGED MONDROWITZ TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY BEFORE THE POLICE GOT TO HIM!
Let's see here. Havent opened a gemara since thrown out of yeshive for eating at mcdonalds but someone pointed me to a Yevamos 118b which according to artscroll reads like this (listen up raizel mondrowits) "all those women who seem to dote on their undesirable husbands commit adultery and ascribe the resulting children to their husbands". Ahem!
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/
It had nothing to do with evading the authorities. There was a major category hurricane threatening the Atlantic seaboard at the time and even the Bureau of Prisons moves inmates to safer ground.
thats it! Monkeys dead the show is over. njoy our last convenisson
according to VIN news mondrowits ran a summer colony up in the catskills for 10 years. hoe the hell did the folks stay with this pervert for so long? i dont think it was a place of retirees or childless couples. the more info i see the more i think the average religious jew has been so conditioned not to think thay cant decide when to wipe themselves
Meyer:
Don't think for a second that I (and likely most people) would hesitate to repeat this "venom" face-to-face.
Mondrowitz would be lucky if I ONLY used my words. The same goes for the "rabbis" that protect and defend him. They aren't rabbis, nor are they leaders. They will likely rot in hell right along side Mondro.
They sheltered a predator of children and denied the victims justice for over twenty years, all the while endangering more children. If these rabbis were so dense that they didn't realize that doing that was wrong, then I can't trust their judgement on anything, from the meaning of a parsha to whether or not something is kosher. Since their "leadership" is based on their learning and judgement, and since that is now totally in question - they are no longer leaders. Their authority and opinions are now worth zero.
Further, real "leaders" are supposed to set an example for those who follow them, even if it means taking a risk. Remember Nachson at the Sea. Everyone else was afraid, and he jumped right in. These "leaders" were either too stupid or to afraid to do the right thing. They let their fears overcome them when the chips were down, and through this, more children were endangered. So, on yet another count, they abdicated and thus invalidated their leadership roles. They are no longer anyone's leaders. If you trust them, then you are following people of questionable judgement and who have already abandonded the threatened in our community before, so how can you expect them to do the right thing or make the correct decisions now?
Meyer, another thought: I do indeed raise my voice and scream and yell at these loser leaders we have. Whenever I meet a brainwashed charedi moron like you, I explain to them what an awful chillul Hashem they've caused by sweeping things under the rug, denying, intimidating, threatening...and they listen and swallow hard when I tell them that I've walked away from them and their wretched moisdois, which I will never support again. I tell them this to their face, and then I watch their reaction. They don't like it. But they have themselves to blame, NOT ME.
Just take a look at the social misfits & shvache learners that come out of there compared to other yeshivos.
Oy vey!! This is mamash gerferlich for Agudah PR.
Vos vet nebich zein?
Who was running Ohel before David Mandel?
And one more thing--and let it be said!--when the Agudah asks a certain mashgiach to speak at a convention and instead of taking the blame for 50 years of child molestation and coverup, he screams at bloggers for a lack of kvod Hatorah, we as Jews have a big problem. That's leadership? Six months later 23 rabbis in Baltimore wrote a mea culpa for allowing child molestation occur under their noses during that time. And the bloggers are at fault? THE BLOGGERS?? ONly in the aguda bizzarro world.
Mondrowitz davened at a shul on 60th St.
They changed the name of the shul to "Beis Medrash d'Krakow" after he fled to escape attention.
60th and 15? thats the guy with the fuzzy gerer hat and tall knickers with the charming looks and twinkle in his eye? Who woulda suspected!
A belated thank you to you and Mosdos Gur for providing cover for such an illustrious and qualified child counselor.
I note the irony of Gur, Klal Yisroel’s most perversely sexually repressed sect, providing the world with such an accomplished pedophile.
I suggest that to separate the insane and heretical sexual teachings and conduct of the members of Gur, from the horrific sexual assault perpetrated upon New York’s children by your one time pride and joy, is to ignore cause and effect. Perhaps it's time for a new play book.
In the interim, I'm sure Mosdos Gur will enjoy basking in the glow of its long deserved media coverage.
"Who woulda suspected!"
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The question, soon to be answered, is who in fact knew.
shishim shteeble was the name
screw the kiddies was the game
confuse OHEL kids with rape & befriend
till suicide will be the end
talk an hour on the radio
lecture parents on your show
convince them to send u lots of boys
use the kids like adult toys
playrabbi playboy & playshrink
get the kids to be your twink
convince them this is about true love
parents are hawks your a dove
run a yeshiva to increase supply
ruin the lives until they die
get kicked out because of "too much success"
went to ger for a year to create a mess
claimed u told the rebbi people are running after you
& that he answered, must be people love & r jealous too
an equal oppurtunity sex offender
went after the Gentiles and the Italian neighbor
bought 'em toys bought 'em bikes
turned lots of 'em into dykes
some are messed up some are scared
to tell the parents no one dared
2 cops came along one day
& heard what 6 Italian boys had to say
police woman of the vice squad came
to interview jews and hear the same
rabbis who couldn't give a damn
stook at the yeshivas and said "sorry maam"
told her to get the hell out of school
cover up is our rule
left the monster to molest and more
get a boy to be his whore
ignore the problem it'll go away
cause our gedolim had a say.
hundreds molested hundreds hurt
treating victims as if they were dirt.
Others learned his ugly art
but leave our troubles and believe in some old fart.
"daas torah" was OHEL's cry
agudah said flee, don't question why.
you stupid asses with no foresight
failed to realize the children's plight
swept this all under a carpet large
declared that now effy (effin) Waxman is in charge.
now these boys have grown to men
and they are now demanding when
this monster will be tried in court
and let the public know our hurt
the world will see what rabbis did
and who helped him run and how he hid
and all the rabbis will learn and see
what happens when you let a molester be.
and all the rapists ih our midst
will pay the price when boys insist
and enabler gedolim and deans of schools
will learn to play by different rules.
UOJ has to push for a full investigation into Ohel Family Services part in this. Did Ohel cover this up? Did Ohel send kids to him after the rumors started? Did Ohel tip him off? Did Ohel help him escape? Is Ohel trying to stop the extradition? Did Ohel destroy all records relating to this case.
We need the major papers to investigate Ohels part in all this.
Ohel is the one that put him on his feet to begin with.
Watch out if they recomend someone for your children or wife.
(Edited)
My people are looking into all of Mondrowitz's affairs. My main objective at the moment is to get him back here.
Either Werdiger is lying or he's not aware of Ger's involvement in keeping Mondrowitz in Israel. Just because a sucker gives money, that does not mean that he knows what he's talking about nor does Ger tell him anything that's none of his business.
Do you think the putz Ger jackass calls him up and says..."hey sucker putz...we're bribing government officials to make certain Mondrowitz goes nowhere". They'd hire thugs to off him as well, that's how much they don't want him back here.
They laugh at him behind his back, and I laugh at him from my computer. Putz...you make me sick!
BTW - EJF pays speakers around $10,000 to come to their conferences and many others receive free "junkets". That is how they essentially bribe rabbis to come.
A major publication is doing an investigative piece on Drek Tropper!
He's toast!
**** What BRANDS Meat & Poultry will be served at the AGUDAH Convention?
No cholent?
No steak?
No smorg?
No stuffed cabbage?
No flanken?
No prime-Rib?
No lamb-chops?
Etc.?
Nada, Nothing, Klum? Efes, Gornisht???
Should I stay home ?
Don't ask-Don't tell? I can't live with that either.
Call Schick caterers at 1-718-257-8837
Latest Vegas line puts Mondro's extradition at 35-1.
Only hope to get him to NY is put him with and between the next batch of 500 PLO terrorists to be freed pre-Annapolis by Olmert and then kidnap him from Shechem, Yericho, or wherever the hell these scum get released to.
Entebbe Redux. Zeh L'Umas Zeh.
Ichud Mole$ta$ Gur is working overtime. The only time they ever "work".
Sol W. get ready for "Incoming".
We have just spotted somekind of weird creature, that looks like leizerowitz post sex change, walking around in eilat, it looks like sol werdiger really did get the message.
Leizerowitz is an honorable woman.
Let them balls hang low
leddem frolick to n fro
let dem dicks stand attention
vee are leizerowitz AND MONDEROVIT'S little menshin!
hey ger
u kick my brother out of mesifte for learning a trick or two from his horny mashgiach and this is what hashem gives you in repayment. this is for the tears my parents and i shed. dam you all. dam you duvid olefsy
Trader Joe’s pulls Empire Kosher poultry from Western stores
by june d. bell
correspondent
The Trader Joe’s specialty-food chain decided recently to pull the products of the world’s largest kosher poultry provider and distributor, Empire Kosher, off the shelves of some 150 West Coast stores.
Officials from both companies declined to say why Trader Joe’s, a 216-store chain, decided to cease selling fresh Empire Kosher chicken and turkey in five Western states. The move comes after 14 packages of Empire skinless, boneless chicken breasts were removed from the shelves of a Central California Trader Joe’s market on March 18 after a random county inspection found they weighed an average of 9.8 percent less than their labels stated.
Trader Joe’s vice president of marketing, Pat St. John, declined to discuss why the company’s West Coast buyer decided to replace Empire with its kosher competitor, Rubashkin’s Aaron’s Best. St. John said Empire “could no longer supply our needs” but would not elaborate because “they are still a valued vendor to Trader Joe’s.”
The chain continues to sell Empire chicken and turkey in 68 stores in the Midwest and on the East Coast.
Empire’s new president and CEO, Robert Van Naarden, said packages of meat can carry incorrect weights if the company’s scales become miscalibrated. Asked if that had occurred with meat sent to Trader Joe’s, he responded: “I don’t know. It might have,” but emphasized that any problems had been remedied.
Empire’s products are packed, weighed and labeled for sale at its Pennsylvania plant.
“I believe there are other factors at work here,” he said, suggesting that the chain’s West Coast buyer wanted to make room for non-kosher products. “That doesn’t mean I won’t work to fix what they say are problems.”
Van Naarden, a member of a group of investors who purchased Empire Kosher several months ago, said consumer demand would prompt Trader Joe’s to abandon Rubashkin chicken.
“If they [Trader Joe’s] want to go to an inferior product, it’s up to them,” he said. “Their customers will tell them.”
Empire, a privately held company, has been selling kosher poultry since 1938 and supplies more than 50 percent of the kosher chicken sold in North America, Van Naarden said.
“Trader Joe’s may have seen some things they don’t like. Fair enough,” Van Naarden said. “I respect them. … All the things Trader Joe’s is concerned about, as are other customers, are being addressed every single day.”
Trader Joe’s, which prides itself on offering an array of high-end gourmet and imported items at bargain prices, sold Empire’s fresh boneless, skinless chicken breasts; eight-piece cut-up chickens; ground turkey; and turkey breasts. In many West Coast communities that lacked kosher grocery markets, Trader Joe’s was the sole outlet for fresh kosher poultry. And, in some areas, the kosher products at Trader Joe’s were priced lower than comparable frozen products in other supermarkets.
An informal survey conducted by the Forward of employees at five Trader Joe’s stores in Northern California indicated that at some stores Empire had continuing problems with spoilage and inaccurate package weights, resulting in incorrect pricing for customers. Employees at two Trader Joe’s outlets in Northern California told customers that Empire was unable to consistently supply enough stock. “It’s frustrating and it makes us look bad,” said an employee in Trader Joe’s Los Altos store.
The loss of the Trader Joe’s West Coast account occurs just a few months into Van Naarden’s tenure at Empire. He described Trader Joe’s decision to cease sales of Empire at most of its stores as “temporary.” He said his company would increase inventory at other supermarkets in the five-state area where it had been shut out of Trader Joe’s stores.
Neither Empire nor Trader Joe’s was fined after the March 18 inspection, but they were asked to correct the problem. State law requires packaged meats to weigh no less than 97 percent of the weight stated on their labels.
The breasts sell for $5.49 per pound, so a 10 percent error on a pound of meat would result in a 55-cent overcharge.
Robert Lopez said it was the first time in his 13 years as a weights and measures inspector for San Luis Obispo County that he had to prohibit the sale of Empire products.
Ken Lake, program supervisor of the California Department of Agriculture’s Division of Management Standards, said the mislabeling appeared to have been isolated and was quickly corrected. “Even the best packers have some things removed from sale,” he said.
St. John said Trader Joe’s has no plans to reinstate Empire despite a four-year relationship. She would not say whether the chain will switch all its stores to Rubashkin’s.
Empire poultry disappeared abruptly from Trader Joe’s refrigerated shelves after Passover.
Rubashkin’s Aaron’s Best, a meat vendor that added poultry to its offerings in 1992, was delighted to pick up Trader Joe’s West Coast account. Its arrival this month marks its debut in the West Coast market.
“When they contacted us, we had no idea they’d already booted Empire out,” said Heshy Rubashkin, vice president of marketing and sales for Iowa-based Agriprocessors, which makes Rubashkin’s Aaron’s Best products
Latest Vegas line puts Mondro's extradition at 35-1.
Mark my words, they will bring him back here in chains before Pesach. I predicted on this blog over a year ago that UOJ will be the first to greet him when he gets off the plane. It will happen, it's just a matter of time. Ein Shalom Amar Hashem Larshaim!
Steve, you da man
Uoj, I nominate the above anon. at 3:09 pm, for the uoj priceless award.
LVF,
I nominate you for the UOJ - Gavrah Rabah of the year award!
I need the board to second the motion..if they don't you win anyway! ;-)
I second the motion.
Hey uoj! if thats the route you want to take then you will have no choice but to accept the "Gavrah Rabah of klal yisroel award", I dont think there is anyone on the board that will object, especially all the men in uniform, that finally got a commander in cheif with balls, that was willing to take the fight to the enemies of our children,
UOJ, Chazak Ubaruch,
Michael Lesher, Kristen Lombardi, Vikki Polin, UOJ, Steve, LVF, Boog and his various extended relations, Haaretz and the unexpected angle who came to our cause and her great sidekick photographer at Haaretz, all the NY Daily papers, JWB, those pesky second rate new york periodicals and some other anonymous contributors. Thank You Thank You from the bottom of a broken heart. I'm touched by the amount of unnamed and invisable forces that have after all these years come to stand by those who have for 30 years cried over a lost childhood free of fear pain and confusion. My dirty little secret has destroyed me but I thank hashem for keeping me alive to see the day where outrage for injustice will perhaps prevail. Where so many give so much to declare they wont stand this any longer. And if we have to dig up the graves of molesters long gone so be it. A day of reckoning for molesters and enablers has dawned. UOJ is king and together we will end this chillul hashem and prepare the jewish nation towards the coming of moshiach for as one of you have said, this is tikkun haolam.
If anyone still thinks that they can trust Rubashkin, read this letter from the lying scumbag:
Rubashkin Meats Letter (Sholom Rubashkin):
November 14, 2007
Dear Customer:
It has come to my attention that you may have been the victim of a slanderous and patently false campaign by the United Food and Commercial Workers Union. You may have received their misleading flyer entitled “Kosher Alert” or an automated phone call with misinformation about products produced by Agriprocessors. This is part of a textbook campaign by the Union to force a company into submission to unionize a plant even when it is against the wishes of the workers, which is the case at Agriprocessors.
That's because most of the workers are illegals and have no choice but to submit to the horrendous working conditions.
The vicious tactics by the Union not withstanding, when someone makes allegations about practices in our company or the quality of our products, I take it personally. My family guarantees that all our products are safe and wholesome.
Your guarantees are worthless. Just read the government's 577 page report.
http://agri.unionactive.com/docs/All%20NRs.pdf
Let me assure you there are no recalls or food safety issues with our products.
Lies. Just last year there was a major recall of hot dogs. Safety issues? Read the report!
We have a moral obligation to produce the safest products for our customers and we take that obligation very seriously.
The only obligation you take seriously is to make sure to maximize profits. That means cut corners wherever possible, switch labels, hand pick mashgichim and pay off rabbis and hacks like Lubinsky.
The Rubashkin family has been supplying high quality kosher meat and poultry for over fifty years. Mr. Aron Rubashkin has earned his reputation of trust for Kosher, quality and food safety. That is why consumers across America rely on our product every day.
That is why you are constantly under investigation and your "kashrus" is the longest running joke.
As you know, all of our products must earn the seal of wholesomeness by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) before they leave our plant. To produce safe food in our modern production facility, we and the on-site USDA inspectors maintain a constant vigilance. We are committed to continue to strive for improvement so that you are guaranteed of the safest and utmost quality products.
It is unfortunate that in today’s day and age of respect for democratic institutions, that the United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW), refuses to abide by the wishes of the workers at Agriprocessors not to organize into a Union We would at any time respect the right of our employees to organize and join a union if they so choose.
We hope that you will now recognize the context of the disinformation that has been disseminated in our community in a brazen attempt to force the workers to unionize. We know, that like all fair-minded people that you will stand with our employees and their right to decide for themselves whether or not to have a union.
Ironically, the UFCW has targeted our food safety record that as you can see below is nothing less than stellar. Here are but a few highlights:
• Concerns about Mad Cow disease are simply wrong. We have never had product from any suspect animals leave our plant.
The video clearly showed a suspect cow not taken out of the herd.
• Agriprocessors has had zero recalls in any of our raw, fresh or frozen poultry and beef products since we opened. Yes, not one recall in nineteen years.
The key word is "raw". The hot dogs were recalled for underprocessing.
• The UFCW claims we have excessive reports of non-compliance. In covering the same UFCW report, the Cedar Rapids Gazette interviewed USDA spokesperson Amanda Eamich who was quoted as saying, “….a plant the size of Agriprocessors might receive 9,000 inspections per year, of which 250 noncompliance findings remains “a pretty small percentage.”
We have always maintained an “open door” policy and encourage our customers to ask any questions that they may have about our products.
We rely on our quality control systems and personnel, USDA oversight and independent auditing to assure the products safety and wholesomeness of our products. Rabbis and customers are welcome to tour our plants at any time to see our commitment at work first-hand.
Another bold faced lie! Visits by mashgichim or anyone else are by appointment only.
We are proud of our commitment to the principles we established almost nineteen years ago. The food we produce at Agriprocessors is safe and wholesome. You have my word on it.
We encourage you to ask questions and find out for yourself. To get the facts, visit our web site agriprocessor.com.
We are most gratified by your continued support and thank you for helping make Agriprocessors the leader in kosher beef and poultry.
Sholom Rubashkin
Vice President
major publication is doing an investigative piece on Drek Tropper!
He's toast!
AMEM KEN YEHI RATZON!!!
CHAZAK VEEMATZ MOREINU VE RABEINU UOJ !!!
Steve...I remember your comments from a year ago about a meet and greet with Mondrowitz at JFK.
Who knew?
Now you know why I converted to SY, because with J-Dubs like Mondro nailing the little idkays, who wants to be itchy? What a sketch!
B.W.,
We're all here to help you heal! One day at a time.
B'yididus....
So it shall be...based on the board meeting held today, and seconded by the Exec. V.P. in charge of our kashrus division, R' Steve...
LVF is now the recipient of the UOJ Gavrah Rabah award! This award entitles you to one free meal at this year's Agudah Convention.
Tell 'em UOJ sent you, they will not ask you for money :-)
Mazel Tov LVF!
From your ex-sweatheart with hugs and rubs.
Forever Yours,
Ms. Vashti Leizerowitz
Homeless Shelter, Eilat
Put this award up on top of the site for all of agudah to see!
BE SHOCKED!!
http://themanbehindvin.blogspot.com/
Baruch Hashem!!
BTW Isaac Wertheimer publishes VOS IZ NEIAS. See http://themanbehindvin.blogspot.com/
Breaking News:
Haaretz reports that the Annapolis Summit will be held on Nov. 27th.
Same day that Mondro gets hauled back into Court to determine whether he gets released or extradited. Coincidence?
Here is an idea: We do a fair Prisoner Swap.
They give us Mondro...we give them Pollard.
To my Dear friend uoj,
the award is all yours, if not for you giving a voice to the victims, we would still be voiceless, and mondrowitz would still be raping little kiddies, while leizerowitz would still be feeling up young bocherim, and kolko would still be abusing little 6 year olds, w/o a worry in the world, the eismans of the world and the corrupted rabbonim that covered up these scum for so many years, that could have saved hundreds if not thousands, hear this loud and clear, there is a new sherrif in town.
Uoj, Chazak Chazak v'tischazek, AMEN!
They give us Mondro...we give them Pollard.
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Genius!
http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2007/11/conventions-yeshiva-functions.html
AGUDAH CONVENTION!
Schick Caterers refuses to give a straight answer this year.
CUSTOMER BEWARE!
R' Yudel writes in the comments that Schick had no problem answering questions last year but this year he won't answer and refers all questions to 42 Broadway.
R' Yudel suspects the Agudah will lie if you don't like Rubashkin, using the heter for sheker lemaan hasholom.
R' Yudel says the yeshiva is furious at R' Elya Ber Wachtfogel & R' Hillel Zaks over something they said in shmuzen there. They edited the tapes & won't allow them to speak in the yeshiva again. He won't elaborate on what happened.
Can anyone fill us in?
http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2007/11/kyo-restaurant.html
Kyo restaurant is being thrown out by the hashgocho.
definitely Rubashkin at the Agudah fress-fest.
They got a great rate!
Does UOJ realize that an attack on Leib Tropper is also an attack on me?
A sweetheart deal with Tropper was worked out under my watch to take all the kids from mixed marriages into Torah Umesorah schools with Tropper's grand hopes that they will want to to be magayer. The more warm bodies that Tropper has under his banner - Jewish or not - the more $$$ money $$$ there's to be gained.
I hope I don't see a new issur from the Badatz now on Torah Umesorah schools as an extension of Tropper's FRAUD.
http://www.geocities.com/izraj/ejf.pdf
Everyone should stink like a bahayma from body odor. First I assered cologne, next will be deodorant.
Steve, that story about Empire & Trader Joe's has been on UOJ & Yudelstake before.
Let's hope Werdiger doesn't fumble this one.
http://theantisemite.blogspot.com/2007/11/civil-war.html
EJF was founded to solve, or at least soothe these problems. But it turned out (or was so planned from the beginning) that money for nothing and chicks* for free make you forget your principles pretty quickly. So EJF is actively pursuing intermarried couples, employs leniencies, targets the children of intermarried couples, and tries to monopolize the business.
*Rubashkin glatt, of course.
http://theantisemite.blogspot.com/2007/11/civil-war.html#c9034932721427257346
Yehu said...
I'm no fan of anonymity, but neither of exposing them. Just one more reason to operate openly.
Is this Wertheimer part of the filthy, dirty, corrupt, ignorant, putrid moneysucking fraudulent ganovim Mayer Wertheimer & family of Monroe, godfather of the Hamaspik services government milking mafia that tortures mentally retarded children?
So please be aware that, על דאטפת אטפוך ומטפיך יטופון and sooner or later you'll be exposed too.
In the meantime, since you're already in the exposure business, if you can expose Dov Bear within a month from today I'll give you $500.
I'm not anonymous and I stand behind my words.
http://www.wapt.com/news/14650507/detail.html
We were contacted by Yudi Kolko who wanted to know if the right to bear arms includes molestation.
(Edited - please don't post anything that can be viewed as a physical threat - thanks)
Sorry UOJ, that crack about Kolko was so tongue in cheek and vague that I hadn't thought it could be considered threatening.
Law enforcement is monitoring our blog...with my cooperation. We need to be extra careful. Every possible lead and word is dissected!
A Very Precise Analysis!
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PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) -- Whether the Federal Reserve realizes it or not, the United States economy is reeling from a one-two punch of plunging real estate values and a full-blown credit crunch that might not be alleviated with additional rate cuts.
While the Fed might have had a role in creating what has come to be known as the subprime mess, because of the way it has evolved, the Fed's ability to deal with it is rather limited. There are a number of reasons for this.
First and foremost is the fact that, on the real estate side, the damage has already been done.
Because short-term interest rates today are well above the 45-year lows plumbed from the middle of 2003 through mid-2004, those mortgages with adjustable rates have -- or will -- reset to much higher rates even if the Fed decides to lower rates by a quarter of a point or even more.
As a consequence, there will likely be more delinquencies and foreclosures, which, besides causing pain for those homeowners, will result in more homes on the market, thereby depressing their prices.
In turn, this will affect other homeowners -- even those with fixed rate mortgages and who and are current with their payments. They will likely be unable to use their homes as ATMs, tapping the equity to supplement their incomes.
They can't turn to savings, either, since, collectively, the nation's homeowners have been spending more than they have been earning for the past two years. The last time this happened was at the bottom of the Great Depression.
This alone is why consumers are reducing their outlays on all kinds of goods and services -- luxuries and necessities alike. Indeed, you know there's a problem out there when Starbucks (SBUX:Starbucks Corp SBUX 22.95, -0.15, -0.6%) reports a decline in traffic in response to -- among other reasons -- a 9 cent hike in the price of a cup of coffee.
Another reason why the Fed alone will not be able to ameliorate this crisis is that its main jurisdiction is over the banks -- and the problem is now centered in the financial markets. This is because the banks no longer have these loans on their books, having turned them into securities and sold them to others.
In turn, these mortgage-backed securities were used as collateral for the issuance of debt, whose value, as you know, is far lower than originally thought.
This has caused massive write downs by holders of these securities, cutting into their profits -- but, more important, depleting confidence in the financial system. And this reduction in confidence is spreading beyond the financial markets and residential real estate to commercial real estate as well.
To the extent the banks are involved (by holding on to some of these securities), their capital is being reduced and thus their ability to make new loans.
I need not remind you that the ability to borrow money is the lifeblood of not just business --but consumers, too.
Not surprisingly, the combination of lower real estate values and reduced availability of funding is beginning to reduce business spending on new plants and equipment. This is overwhelming the positive effect that the lower-valued dollar is having on our exports.
So while the Fed is preoccupied with communications and forecasting, the financial markets remain frozen while the economy is melting down.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.
Irwin Kellner is chief economist for MarketWatch and for North Fork Bank.
What effect if any will this have on Mosdos ability to raise funds?
The Jewish Press - (Reporting Delayed Is Reporting Denied)
CLOWNS!
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Justice Delayed - And Possibly Denied
By: Editorial Board
Wednesday, November 21, 2007
As is being widely reported, longtime fugitive from justice Avohom Mondrowitz has been detained in Israel in anticipation of his extradition to the United States to answer to charges of sexual abuse that were lodged against him 22 years ago.
According to the Israeli court decision ordering his detention, Mr. Mondrowitz fled to Israel following his indictment in New York in 1985 on eight counts of child abuse and five counts of sodomy involving five boys ages 9 to 15. The court decision notes that because Israeli extradition law was recently revised, Mr. Mondrowitz can now be extradited to New York to stand trial on the charges for which he was indicted. Though there are questions as to whether the statute of limitations has run on the charges, his detention and probable extradition are all to the good. The charges lodged against him were of the most horrific nature, and it is inconceivable that he should not be required to answer for them in a court of law.
Due, however, to the apparent disinclination to come forward on the part of the parents of Mr. Mondrowitz’s alleged Orthodox Jewish victims, he was indicted in 1985 only in connection with the charges made by the parents of non-Jewish children. Thus, even if the statute of limitations is ruled not to have run out and he is made to stand trial in connection with those charges, it does not necessarily mean any indictments can now be presented against him involving yeshiva youngsters.
We can’t think of a more powerful argument for the necessity of a new, more honest approach to the very real problem of pedophilia and abuse in the Orthodox community.
We must avail ourselves of all legitimate resources – which would include intra-community counseling as well as unhesitating resort to secular law-enforcement authorities. Our children deserve no less.
Boog,
Between the police talking to everyone with any information and a real "recession-like" economy...the chances of "mosdos" raising serious money - above or under the table - are slim to none!
"Our children deserve no less"
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Words lifted from the famous Kolko/Margulies "pashkevil."
About time.
UOJ
if they are monitoring the blog ask them why they arent doing anything regarding the corruption in monsey of rabbi rottenberg
there are child molesters davening in his shul and dealing with children
Well; if that's the case, guess Malachy Kotler will have to dip into his pockets to keep his welfare state going. Ahh, The proverbial "shoe on the other foot"? Or does he do a "Chalitza" and pull the plug?
Shucks, does this mean the end of the traveling Shabbos '$ponjeS' coming to a neighborhood near you.
Does Otisville have a branch in Israel?
From the "I can't believe it Department!"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/926541.html
UOJ, I would not be surprised if David Cohen told Mondrowitz to run. He is a liar who has no regard for ethics or Choshen Mishpat. He came to speak in Teaneck last year and people wanted to practically lynch him for his despicable comments. A number of reporters were looking to do an expose on him but they held off because of the possible Chillul Hashem but they will not hold back if he ever appears in Teaneck again. Many of the Rabbonim in the community said that he should not be considered an Orthodox Rabbi -- yet you still have these fools who follow him
Please daven for Reuven ben Tova Chaya, l'refuah shleima.
Extradition Decision Renews the Focus on Alleged Sex Abusers
November 22, 2007
Avrohom Mondrowitz is brought to the Jerusalem Magistrates Court for a remand hearing on Nov. 18.
Ben Harris
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
New York
An Israeli court's decision last week to extradite an accused pedophile to the United States is giving renewed impetus to another sex-abuse case that activists say has languished for more than two decades.
Activists concerned about sexual abuse in the Orthodox community held a news conference last Friday in New York to renew pressure for action in the case of Avrohom Mondrowitz, who fled to Israel in the 1980s to escape prosecution for abusing several underage boys.
The news conference comes just days after a Jerusalem court ruled that Stefan Colmer, who was indicted on charges that he abused two haredi Orthodox boys in Brooklyn, should be extradited to the United States.
Colmer, 30, who fled to Israel to avoid arrest, is the first American to be returned under a revised treaty that permits the extradition of suspected sex offenders charged with crimes less severe than rape.
Mondrowitz, an Israel native who lived in Brooklyn before fleeing, was indicted by a Brooklyn grand jury on eight counts of sexual molestation, including sodomy. The Brooklyn district attorney at the time, Elizabeth Holtzman, requested Mondrowitz's arrest, but the request appears to have floundered due to a technicality of Israeli law.
Last month it emerged that the current Brooklyn district attorney, Charles Hynes, issued a new request for the extradition of Mondrowitz.
According to Hynes' office, the request was issued early this year, in January or February, after the U.S.-Israel extradition treaty was amended.
But according to a copy of the indictment, the charges against Mondrowitz included forced sodomy. As a result, claims Michael Lesher, a lawyer for several of Mondrowitz's alleged victims, Mondrowitz could have been extradited since 1988.
A cable dated that year from the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv, obtained by Lesher, similarly argues that a new Israeli law made the Mondrowitz case worth pursuing.
Nevertheless, Hynes did not pursue the case until this year.
Swept Under the Carpet?
Critics charge that he was influenced by a group of Orthodox rabbis who informally advise him.
"I'm certain of that," insisted Lesher. "We know that the Orthodox community didn't want this case pursued. Even today, I'm experiencing a lot of reluctance from rabbis familiar with the case."
Hynes' office refused to comment.
In recent years, sexual abuse has been a mounting concern in the Orthodox community -- a trend propelled by several high-profile cases of rabbis with long histories of abuse that allegedly were swept under the carpet by religious leaders.
The efforts of several activists, as well as bloggers whose anonymity provided abuse victims with a venue to speak about their experiences with discretion, have brought a number of instances of abuse to light.
"I think that the Colmer case would have gone a similar way," said Lesher, "if it hadn't been for the fact that a lot of people behind the scenes were so fed up with cases like Mondrowitz that they were willing to work with victims and with people like me to see that the case did go public."
Who the heck is the jewish fresses "Editorial Board"? were they afraid of putting a name behind whoever wrote this article?
This e-mail was sent nov. 22 to the ministry of justice in israel, Please everyone it is very importent not to forget the victims of this peice of scum, take a few minutes to send the justice minister an e-mail, its the least we can do.
Subject: Mondrowitz
To: YaelK@justice.gov.il
Hi Sir,
It is of utmost importence, that you carry out the request of the brooklyn DA Charles J. Hynes, for the extradition of Avroham Mondrowitz, So that his victims may get the justice they so deserve, after being delayed for so many years that right of trying to move on in life, It is only fair to release him to the U.S. authorities immediatly,
Shalom,
If enough people send such an e-mail as I sent, He might just put it up.
Subject: Extradition of perv brooklyn rabbi from israel
To: drudge@drudgereport.com
Please matt, for the sake of the hundreds of victims this molesting rabbi abused, put up the story and give the victims a voice.
All the best,
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/924568.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=925031&contrassID=0&subContrassID=0
http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/11-16-2007/a17e0012b82141d5.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/16/africa/ME-GEN-Israel-Purported-Rabbi.php
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/11/17/2007-11-17_exbrooklyn_rabbi_likely_to_be_dragged_ba-2.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1195127534656&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5765987
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11172007/news/regionalnews/fugitive_pervert_rabbi_held_274690.htm
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/927002.html
German customs police have uncovered in recent years 50 German companies that sold Iran equipment to finish building its nuclear reactor at Bushehr.
Coordinating this smuggling operation was a Berlin-based front company called Vero, headed by Dimitry Solotarev, an Armenian Jew with dual German and Russian citizenship. The value of the equipment transfered to Iran is estimated at $150 million. And that, Potsdam's public prosecutor told Haaretz, is evidently "just the tip of the iceberg."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/927004.html
Histadrut to open tribunal for sexual harassment complaints
By Ruth Sinai, Haaretz Correspondent
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/926702.html
U.S. demands Israel crack down on illegal Iranian pistachio imports
By The Associated Press
"Keep in mind Torah Umesorah is an advocacy group, their main job is preventing yeshivas from firing incompetent rebbis (melamdim) or principals without principles."
http://theantisemite.blogspot.com/2007/11/civil-war.html#c2346223706551764315
Could it be that they (Torah Umesorah) pressure kiruv or BT mosdos to take in (Tropper's) kids of intermarried couples? In this day and age I wouldn't be surprised if they'd pressure yeshivas to take in Nicaraguan drug dealers. If you have reliable info please email me or put me in contact with people who know what they're talking about. No nonsense please, I haven't got too much time.
Thank you.
izraj@yahoo.com
lvf;
It's Jason Maoz.
Jason Maoz is the only guy at the Jewish Mess that can write semi-decent Henglish without tripping over his stomach.
A cut above Machon L'Parnassah's English Writing Skills von-oh-von course.
Questions:
1) How will putting Modrowitz on trial reveal the facts about, and the identities of the rabbis and enablers who assisted the Gerrorist to escape?
2) Will the new Attorney General Mukassey use the controversial method of "waterboarding," to get the information out of him, or is he protected by the genva convention?
3) Since the AG is shomer Torah Umtitzvos, is the practice sanctioned by halacha?
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2007/11/which-rabbis-co.html#comment-90880604
If this is true, it's a major abuse of Belsky on Torah Vodaath and he should be physically removed from the building!
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2007/11/mondrowits-wife.html#comment-90881688
Can UOJ confirm this?
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2007/11/mondrowits-wife.html#comment-90846362
Someone claiming to be a witness at the secret Agudah meetings
http://www.daashakohol.com/archives/184#comment-8803
1) Mr. Fisher
(Fisher, the crook, whom Rubashkin "PARDONED" for his crimes as the first thing Rubashkin did when he took office)
2)Mr. Segal - rubashkins fake rabbi
3)Mr. Zirkind - rubashkins fake rabbi
4)Mr. Krinsky - "uses" rubashkin when he needs him
5)Mr. Shemtov - uses rubashkin to make sure his name will no longer hang in 770 as a Mesarev Ledin
6) Rabbi Osdoba - who gets Rubashkins free Bungalow, every summer + his weekly check from Rubashkin + the checks of his 3 children too, also from Rubashkin)
7) Reitzes - uses Rubashkin to do the dirty work against Rabbi Schwei
8 ) Katzman - Same as above
9) Boimelgreen - Same as above
10) And a few more "such" people
http://www.forward.com/articles/12082/
Activists with United Food and Commercial Workers stood outside kosher supermarkets and Trader Joe’s stores around the country last Wednesday, distributing fliers that purported to be a “Kosher Food Safety Alert.” The fliers cited controversial reports — many of them published in the Forward — about food-safety issues at the Postville, Iowa, slaughterhouse.
Perhaps most provocatively, the flier claims that in 2006, AgriProcessors was cited five times for “violations of ‘mad cow’ safety rules.”
The UFCW echoed these claims in full-page advertisements in Jewish newspapers and in automated phone calls to thousands of households in Orthodox neighborhoods
The debate stems from a series of documents released by the United States Department of Agriculture after a Freedom of Information Act request from the UFCW. These documents show that the plant was cited for violating rules designed to control mad cow disease
The food-safety concerns are only the latest controversy that has beset AgriProcessors. The slaughterhouse has also been criticized for the labor conditions at the plant and for the treatment of animals there.
KosherToday, a trade publication that has defended AgriProcessors, wrote about the UFCW’s campaign this week and said that it had not hurt AgriProcessors sales and in fact may have helped.
“The net effect of the onslaught against Agri was that sales of its products in some stores have risen by as much as 30% and it has opened an unprecedented number of new accounts,” KosherToday wrote.
Rubashkin’s letter alleged that the UFCW is going after AgriProcessors because the workers at the plant have not joined the union. Rubashkin accused the UFCW of orchestrating “a textbook campaign… to force a company into submission to unionize a plant even when it is against the wishes of the workers.”
A spokeswoman for the UFCW, Jill Cashen, told the Forward that AgriProcessors had never asked employees if they wanted to unionize
In the materials it handed out last week, the UFCW cited two major meat recalls that AgriProcessors has made during the past year. In his letter, Rubashkin wrote that no “raw, fresh or frozen poultry and beef products” had been recalled. Cashen called this response “technically correct but extremely misleading,” noting that the recalled products were precooked frozen foods.
The Jewish Labor Committee, a national organization, has worked with the UFCW on this
The Forward:
AgriProcessors responded with a letter signed by the company’s vice president, Sholom Rubashkin, and published on its Web site and in Yeshiva World News
I haven't seen the union's newspaper ads of flyers yet, and I did not receive an automated telephone call, so I'm relying on what others have reported. Still, it seems to me the union overreached, and their ads and calls were tone deaf. Why did this happen? I don't know. I suspect the union relied on Jews who are not familiar with Orthodox communities to set the tone of the ads.
All in all, the union did not lie. Rubashkin did not either, although his responses regarding recalls and mad cow disease are very disingenuous.
(Come on SHmarya, Rubashkin's pathetic letter has gotta be the closest thing to a lie)
I've been sitting on a Rubashkin story for a few weeks now. Perhaps I'll post it Sunday or Monday.
Has anyone heard that some four or five boys and their parents have come forward with allegations against Rabbi Yisroel Belsky of Camp Agudah?
I heard some people talking in shul there is already an attorney on the case. Can that be the reason why Rabbi Belsky was so protective over Kolko?
Posted by: Reuvein Wallach |
Don't bug me. I'm busy providing consulting services to Saudi Arabia.
RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia defended on Tuesday a court's decision to sentence a woman who was gang-raped to 200 lashes of the whip, after the United States described the verdict as "astonishing".
The 19-year-old Shi'ite woman from the town of Qatif in the Eastern Province and an unrelated male companion were abducted and raped by seven men in 2006.
Ruling according to Saudi Arabia's strict reading of Islamic law, a court had originally sentenced the woman to 90 lashes and the rapists to jail terms of between 10 months and five years. It blamed the woman for being alone with an unrelated man
http://theantisemite.blogspot.com/2007/11/rage.html
If you’re sensitive I suggest you skip what follows. You may call it “the worst of Joe Izrael vol. I”. Or just “Yossi is angry”…
It now seems wounded and maimed veterans are asked by the gov’t to renounce part of their sign-on bonuses! Can you believe this? We feed millions of illegal immigrants, bums, academic parasites who are an embarrassment to education and intelligence, and welfare leeches who can’t speak English but get straight A’s on their section 8 applications! Did you know that Medicaid recipients are eligible for free taxi to the doctor? That’s right. Frimmet from Monsey can git a raid viz gantz comfy taxi to Nie Yirk Sitty so hubby Chaim Mayer can sit and shmeeze in bais medrish, while Marines who lost arms and legs have to give back their sign-on bonuses.
I have a brilliant politico-economic solution: let’s send the illegal immigrants to Iraq and force the hassidim as well as other welfare-suckers to pick cucumbers and cotton and pack orders at Chaim Yankel’s Sipermurkit.
In the meantime this soldier who lost his eye and the gov’t spat in his other eye could actually receive his full sign-on bonus, instead of Yoily Herskowics buying himself a new shtraimel with foodstamps and getting a tuition break because "the rusha goyim take me off di velfare". And white kids would do some work instead of getting drunk on daddy’s credit card.
Here’s what Michael Savage said about his letter from the GOP requesting a donation:
“I crossed out the amount to donate, and I wrote on it:
#1 stop immigration.
#2 pardon the Marines
#3 stop government spending.”
I would like to suggest you do the same with any further request for donation for any moisad. Write on it:
#1 I demand transparency of all financial dealing of your mosad. Who gets how much and how is it the money spent. How are employees and board members appointed?
#2 I demand your organization unconditionally condemn child molestation, pledges not to harbor such people and to fairly investigate allegations of sexual abuse. Ditto for other felonies.
#3 I demand your organization unconditionally condemn reliance on government funds as a way of life, and the obtaining of such funds illegally, fraudulently or with questionable means.
Until I get proof the above demand have been fulfilled I suggest you save your paper and stamps as I won’t donate you one cent more. In fact you can just send in such a letter to the Agudah, UJC, RCA and any other organization you know. Send it to hassidic rebbes too.
How come no one stands up against a huge cut of the population all living like leeches on the taxpayers’ backs? How come all Hassidic villages and sections, as well as most of Fakewood are below poverty level, everyone has sec.8, single mom benefits (many frum people don’t get civil marriage), welfare, Medicaid, foodstamps, and perhaps benefits that haven’t even been yet signed into law, while the place is full of Lexuses, Suburbans, Town Cars, each house is bigger and fancier (and more distasteful) than the other. Kids prancing around in $400 outfits, renewed quarterly. How come when these people come to the doctor’s office or get pulled over by a cop they can’t speak English, yet when they fill out welfare and Medicaid forms, Shakespeare couldn’t make a better case for himself. Did I mention cash businesses and bribe? Did I mention Mr. Frankel’s endless love of his Yiddishe brothers? He owns a few houses in Monsey, but they all house illegal immigrants from Mexico, who needless to say are the most pleasant neighbors imaginable. One family per house – well, a family of 40, that is. They’re always sober, spotless clean, and their dogs barely ever bite. The Department of Housing and Urban Development (wink-wink, nod-nod, hehehe, they know who votes them in) approves them for section 8 benefits as long as they can provide a piece of cardboard with “Hernandez” printed on it.
So why can’t Mr. Millionnaire Frankel rent the houses to Yidden? Because he’s too cheap to renovate them. And he also knows if the tenant loses his sec 8 eligibility (in the unlikely case a HUD inspector puts 2 Lexus and 2 Suburbans and lavish furnishings and sixteen kids together) he’ll never see a payment again. Besides of course the not-so small danger of one of hiw fellow Skvindlers just swindling the house away from him. Of course, that doesn’t bother His Exalted Holiness Maran Hagaon Haadir Hagadol Hagibor Vehanora Kvod Kudshas David Twerski SHLIT”A, whose credentials include being the son of the previous Skverer rebbe and the grandson of the one before. In fact he has been informed of the problem numerous times, but he has a hassidus to fihr. To his credit, after 15 years of complaint he instructed the heilige Koenig brothers to shut down T&A’s adult entertainment on RT 59. I guess tipping went down when hassidim became the predominant customers. Now they have to stick to their insurance-defrauding Hy-Tech auto-wreckers business. Nebach, only two Caribbean cruises this year…
Bad news for Mr Twersky and his devout followers: some Black Moslems beat you guys! And I thought Skwer was the best at least in one area. Shame on you!
Bravo, bravo!!
Let's have an encore from Yossi Izrael!!
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Rabbi Gissinger caves in after the treif fish in Monsey is publicized.
Oh, and did I mention that the sanctimonious hypocrite Menachem Lubinsky says bloggers are no good for kashrus?
Chassid on sex-abuse charges
Jewish Chronicle (subscription) - London,UK
Abraham Mondrowitz was arrested on Friday morning in Jerusalem and remanded for 12 days. The 60-year-old, from the ultra-strict Gur sect,
http://www.thejc.com/home.aspx?ParentId=m11s19&SecId=19&AId=56755&ATypeId=1
UOJ please remove my email address from comment "Help Stop Leib Tropper's FRAUD said...12:55 AM, November 22, 2007"
Thank you,
J.I.
Arizona police are offering a $2,000 reward to anyone who can help them catch the suspect who allegedly raped a 1-year-old Russell Terrier, MyFoxPhoenix is reporting.
The dog was found abandoned near an animal hospital and when veterinarians examined the tiny pooch, they immediately called police.
Click here for a report from MyFoxPhoenix.
"The evidence right now shows there has been some type of sexual activity with the animal," Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio told MyFoxPhoenix. "I'm not doing to go into the gory details, but it does go into the category of bestiality."
Police told MyFoxPhoenix they received reports of a suspicious man with dark, reddish hair around the scene where the dog was found.
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$2,ooo to find me? I thought everyone knows were I live.
http://theantisemite.blogspot.com/2007/11/stranger-in-us-all.html
Yesterday I saw something that literally made me sick. Someone made the most possible odious, repulsive, puke-inducing and repugnant comments about our saints of saints, Yaakov Avinu and Leah Imeinu. I can’t even repeat what the putrid coward hiding behind the blog D.B. said. Go see for yourself if your stomach is strong enough.
Quite often we witness people outraged at their Rabbis being denigrated, or even not addressed with proper respect. Sometimes numerous articles are written if the title is “mistakenly” ommitted by this or that journalist or bloggers, or if one chas veshlom dares questioning this or that decision of one’s Gadol. A flurry of angry comments flood the site after such a snafu, and the war of words rages for days on end. The fierce defenders of torah stand up with fire in their eyes to protest the disrespect showed to their Leader by that nasty individual, who must immediately apologize… or hang.
Yet… yet here… total silence. Not one protest. Not one condemnation, not an iota of outrage showed. I know. I know. There are a million excuses. He wants the attention, it’s better to ignore him, etc.
Are we really that shallow? What are we standing up for when we protest a Rav’s humiliation? Are we really standing up for Torah or that rabbi or gadol? Or are we standing up for our own little narcissitic ego? How come a little carelessness about a contemporary rabbi generates such emotions, yet when Yaakov Avinu is dragged through the mud, called a swindler, when Leah Imenu is compared to a Playboy bunny no one has anything to say? How can we not go crazy when we hear such utter defamation taken directly from ageless classic anti-semitic propaganda? How can everyone keep quiet when one who proclaims to be an observant Jew quotes from Third Reich’s textbooks and pub-mob?
I think this is precisely our problem. Our idiotic sectarianism isn’t about truths anymore. It’s not about priciples. It’s about me and myself and I and my. When a rav is insulted it is not the insult of Torah or righteousness we protest. It’s our own insult we stand up against. That’s how low we are. Yaakov Avinu doesn’t matter anymore. Apparent;y, he’s not a treasured figure in our History. Apparently, he’s not a fundamental part of Yiddishkeit.
Yossi;
Well said. But you know you just finished the top of the first inning.
MalachHamovies comments on Harry Maryles blog:
I heard from a extremely reliable source that gerrer men:
1) cannot show any affection towards their wives (chibuk v'neishuk) even during intimacy
2)cannot be with their wife (outside of mikva night) unless they get permission from their "kommadent" (superior)
3) wives must walk in back of husbands
4) After giving birth wife cannot go to mikvah for 1/2 year
I heard they have alot of weird "kedusha vtahara" issues which was instituted by the gerrer rebbe Bais Yisroel (obviously molesting boys isn't part of k'disha v'taharu) that has nothing to do with shulchan aruch.
And people thought chabad was nuts ?
Can you conform any of this ?
Another commenter there replies:
MH: I do know that Ger does not believe in foreplay, they hold it is assur [forbidden], as for walking behind, that is common knowledge.…
Is this really true?
Gur is notorious for their repression of norman sexuality and the Rebbe's perverse control over his chassidim's private lives.
Harav Shach was prepared to engage in a jihad along the lines of his attack on Chabad but backed off due to the political ramifications. Pity.
Gur has become a cult.
Posted by: Anon | November 21, 2007 at 06:58 PM
I'm not making any of this stuff up. It is an open secret that the non-gerrer chasiddishe community in Israel WILL NOT take a gerrer boy due to all the restrictions that i mentioned.
Furthermore the gerrer girls school - Bais Yakkov D'gur in brooklyn was formed with the intention to have shidduchim for the gerrer boys in america. Until that school was formed gerrer boys had to be meshadech with a gerrer family in Israel.
The gerrer and non-gerrer chasidishe girls in NY who were going to a bais yaakov (or any other chassidishe girls school like Tomar Devorah) DID NOT want to marry gerrer boys. Again, that's the reason why the girls school was created.
Posted by: MalachHamovies | November 21, 2007 at 08:21 PM
Kommandanten -Commmandant- European military rank for Major is a term that's used by gerrer rebbes and chassidim . They are married men that teach the bachurim and young men specific halachas about intimacy and other halachas.
For a number of years (i don't know how many years) after marriage the kommadanten basically control and monitor the life of the young couple.
Posted by: MalachHamovies | November 21, 2007 at 09:05 PM
Rabbi Dovid Cohen was the rabbinical advisor of Ohel at the time. He was the first rabbi informed of Mondrowitz’s atrocities. He was given first hand accounts in 1981 and did absolutely nothing except advising Ohel to stop referring clients to Mondrowitz.
WHAT IS FOREPLAY ?
Please stop associating with Susan Rosenbluth. She is a nasty enabler of the Tendler deviants.
http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/112207/njActivistsWelcomeSuspects.html
Activists against sex abuse in the Jewish community, from left, sociologist Amy Neustein, attorney Michael Lesher, and journalist Susan Rosenbluth, said they welcomed the arrest of alleged pedophile Avrohom Mondrowitz
by Robert Wiener
NJJN Staff Writer
11.22.07
The Nov. 16 arrest of a man in Israel on molestation charges was welcomed by New Jersey Jewish activists and by a Highland Park man who was one of his alleged victims.
Avrohom Mondrowitz, a member of the Gur hasidic movement who faces several counts of child sex abuse in the United States, was arrested in Jerusalem and awaits extradition to Brooklyn
He has been in Israel since New York police issued a warrant for his arrest in 1984 on charges of abusing underage boys, including acts of forced sodomy.
Just hours after his arrest, four activists in the fight against child abuse in the Jewish community met reporters in the Manhattan office of Michael Wildes, an attorney who also serves as mayor of Englewood.
“I don't see this as a moment for celebration,†said Michael Lesher, a Passaic attorney who said he represents some of the alleged victims. “There is so much more to be done to ensure that Mondrowitz is in fact brought back and that justice is in fact served. But it is a moment for gratitude for victims who had the courage to come forward and expose their pain, despite the fact that many rabbis from our community who should have been there to support them did not.â€
According to Lesher, who said he confirmed the arrest with a spokesperson for Israel's Ministry of Justice, Mondrowitz was scheduled to have a hearing on the afternoon of Nov. 18.
Amy Neustein, a sociologist who has been outspoken on the issue of child sex abuse in the Jewish community, said, “Pedophilia has not been redressed by law enforcement and the systems we have in place to do it. Instead, rabbis were discouraging victims from coming forward. Today is a day of sunshine. With Mondrowitz coming back, it is my hope and my surmise that he is going to point a finger at others.â€
Rabbi Mark Dratch, a former vice president of the Rabbinical Council of America and chairman of its Task Force on Rabbinic Improprieties, said there had been a “cover-up†of child abuse in some parts of the Orthodox Jewish community.
Dratch is founder and director of JSafe, the Jewish Institute Supporting an Abuse-Free Environment.
Speaking of the principle of lashon hora, which he defined as “derogatory or slanderous speech,†Dratch said, “Sometimes it is a tool to silence victims. Victims come forward with complaints and they are told, ‘Don't speak lashon hora.' This kind of approach is inappropriate.â€
Mark Weiss, 40, said he is still haunted by the week he spent at the Brooklyn home of Mondrowitz a few months after becoming bar mitzva in 1980.
Weiss, who now lives in Highland Park with his wife and two sons, told NJ Jewish News that as a boy he “didn't fit the mold†and “had trouble fitting in†with the religious life in his North Side neighborhood in Chicago, where his father was “a rebbe in a very, very black-hat shul.â€
Meeting with a reporter at a kosher restaurant on Manhattan's Upper West Side last week, Weiss spoke softly of being placed by his parents in a series of yeshivas in the United States and Israel before being sent to live with Mondrowitz, a rabbi “with a reputation for helping out kids who are having trouble fitting in.â€
“He picked me up at the airport, and he wined and dined me. He took me to an amusement park. It was awesome, like this total attachment. He knew exactly how to push the right buttons, and I was this naive little kid. I wouldn't know a predator if he hit me over the head. I was just soaking up all the love.â€
When they returned to the Mondrowitz home in Brooklyn, Weiss said, he discovered the rabbi's family was vacationing in the Catskills.
The man and boy were alone. Weiss said the rabbi proceeded to molest him and continued to engage him in sex acts during the week they stayed together.
“That happened every night,†said Weiss. “I remember thinking that once he started making moves on me that maybe this was a little strange, or maybe he was just being a little friendly and making me feel comfortable and affectionate. I didn't think twice about it. It's like when you have an animal that is out in the wild and has no natural predators, it will walk right over to something that wants to kill it and not know any different. You point a gun at a dog and the dog doesn't run away. It doesn't know any better.
“That was what I experienced, this nightly routine, and it never registered on the radar that this was a problem. It sounds unbelievable now.â€
Weiss said he only revealed the events a few years later, when as an 18-year-old he discussed them with his parents and the head of the yeshiva he was attending. Weiss said nothing came of his allegations.
Weiss had not been aware of the original investigation that led authorities to indict Mondrowitz in 1984 on four counts of sodomy and eight counts of sexual abuse. Weiss came forward in 2006 to press the case for Mondrowitz's extradition.
Weiss said he is “not a vindictive person, but I do have a sense of justice. I'd like to see him go to prison and get a taste of his own medicine, but I'm sure if he were to go to prison he would not be alive for long.
But the bigger thing is this sends a message that the sins of the past cannot be buried by the people in the community who are all the enablers. They make the system wrong
The British newspaper tells us Monstrowitz was arrested last erev Shabbos at dawn.
Gerrer Chusid;
"Foreplay" is a term used in Golf to indicate 4 people playing 18 holes of Golf on the Golf course.
These 4 people are split into 2 teams of two people each.
The team with the lowest score after finishing the 18 holes is the winner.
The winners get to chibuK V'Neishuk the wives of the losing team.
Obviously Golf is nisht ka Gerer Eisuk.
To " MalachHamovies"
everything you stated is 100% correct, although they did minimize the 1/2 year after giving birth when they realized that the younger generation is not so willing to eat their crap, one more thing, if the shtible you daven in finds out that you do not speak with a komadante, b/ you do not want to reveal your intimate life, you will be banned from your shtible.
Readers of UOJ:
Now that everyone is into giving awards out, how about this one:
Noble Putz Prize> FatLips Margolies
Were it not for his insistence on the inocence of his employee, the whole UOJ movement PROBABLY would never have taken off to begin with. Once this man aided and abeted Kolko in his crime, victims started talking.
Finally, after 5768 years Jews get it. WE DON’T GO LIKE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER. When someone does us wrong, WE STAND UP. We expect our district attorneys to protect the innocent people fom harm, not pander to the extreme elements (fringe quacks) of Judaism who belive corruption is the Jewish way. We expect accountability by our leaders for their actions/inactions on matters relating to public safety. We are finally seeing past the black hat and see the actions of the person wearing it. We demand Rabbinic leaders who base the law on the writings of the Torah, NOT ON WHO BRIBED THEM MORE. We expect the Rabbis and elected officials to do the right thing without having to be pressured or cocerned about our votes.
The anger of the Jewish population will not discipate by simply BABBLING in a public forum, peaching to the choir downstairs on the convention floor. This generation demands ACTIONS TO BACK UP THE BABBLE. The younger crowd does not buy into the nonsense going on downstairs. Judaism needs leaders, not preachers who are so far removed fom reality that Judaism becomes a turn off.
UOJ, readers, and affected victims:
CHAZAK, CHAZAK, V’NISCHAZEIK!
By demanding the platform you believe in, YOU will be instrumental in BRINGING BACK AUTHENTIC TORAH JUDAISM.
Best of luck,
Blogging on the 4th floor of the final convention of Agudah Judaism
To the agudah convention blogger of the fourth floor,
Oh vey! your blogging away, only 1 year after the agudahs blog presentation, with matt solomans under the rug speach?
Dear Mr. Aguda blogger,
Please give us updates as to the goings-on at the Convention. What's the word on Aguda-street?
We admire your mesiras nefesh.
Yossi Izrael is on a roll.
He says there are child molesters and the FRAUD Leib Tropper who is a giyur molester.
Someone has suggested that we stop Tropper's fraud by contacting the White Shoe investment banks that do business with Leor Energy and explain to them (and the Wall St Journal) that Tom Kaplan is financing Tropper's bid to hijack religion.
I agree with Joe Izrael's assessment that Tropper is a highly intelligent & cunning snake. Tropper seems to have already protected himself on Wall St by enlisting managing directors from the "Big 3". He's done the same thing with the Madison / Park Ave law firms. Tropper is one smart cookie and he knows how to cover his bases.
Tropper is unlike any foe that UOJ has faced before like Margulies & Wachsmann who act like brainless morons.
R' Doniel Eidensohn writes that the Badatz tried to reach out to Tropper and his cohorts to find out more information about the Eternal Jewish Fraud. They issued the issur only after they were stonewalled. No one was willing to speak to them.
Gee, what has Tropper got to hide? The fact that he's twisting the psokim of countless gedolim?
A PR firm working for EJF contacted a converts and ask them to appear in a religion column in their local paper and tell their story so other intermarried couple would interested in conversion as well
Miley Cyrus | Homepage | 11.21.07 - 1:12 am
one more thing, if the shtible you daven in finds out that you do not speak with a komadante, b/ you do not want to reveal your intimate life, you will be banned from your shtible.
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(1) Who decides on who your komandante is. (2) How would they find out?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumo
Lubinsky's point man for Tropper's Eternal "Jewish" Fraud is Amir Lehrer.
There is an Amir Lehrer who went to Chaim Soloveitchik's now defunct modern ortho yeshiva in Hamilton, Ontario before attending YU where he was a star on the wrestling team.
He must have met his match with Leib "Fat Sumo" Tropper.
We have been investigating Tropper and his enablers. The more people who join the effort to put Tropper out of business, the merrier.
Rabbi Eidensohn discovered that after all the unwanted attention, Tropper removed the page from his website that was clear admittance he is seeking non-Jews to convert.
Can you believe what a sneaky weasel Tropper is?
Gil Student claims meanwhile that R' Hershel Schechter realized that Tropper was using him so he completely severed all ties with EJF.
BTW;
Gur Brooklyn has a Rebbe known as Avrum Mordeche Cohen who takes gerrer bucherim from 11-18 under his wing and counsels them against masturbation and that it's Ossur to touch their dingles when they tinkle. Sort of a pre-Kommandant Kommandant priming the bucherim for later married life.
Not clear as to how they're supposed to remove their dingle to tinkle and then re-insert into their Hoyizen. Long Tweezers, maybe??
LVF probably knows more details.
I understand that Hugh Hefner affectionately refers to Avrum Mordeche Cohen as: Double A (Beep, Beep) M-C-O!
Eckstein's Yeshiva World blog has become the watering hole for all the Kool Aid drinkers to be misled with pure crap.
Eckstein is a shill for Belsky, Rubashkin, Scheinerman and many other weasels who use him as part of their propaganda campaigns.
Eckstein will not take down the bogus letters that Scheinerman engineered to badmouth Rav Halberstam's mikva that competes with him. This even after Scheinerman was discredited at an assifa of 40 rabbonim.
Eckstein puts up all of Belsky's crap like the letter attacking Rabbi Bitton.
Eckstein took down EVERY SINGLE post about Kolko & Margo as soon as it was entered.
Eckstein will not post anything from other rabbonim that puts Heinemann in a bad light - even the letter from R' Shlomo Miller about chilul Shabbos from Star K ranges - he ignored R' Yudel when he asked him to post it.
Eckstein is now trying to cast himself as a prominent figure and a media darling whose opinion should be sought by showing up at political events and getting interviewed by TV networks.
I'm told that for years before this Eckstein was nothing but R' Shmuel Berenbaum's baal agoloh and Leib Pinter's shlock shamess.
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2007/11/action-needed-case-of-ex-rabbi-moshe.html#1786703952289588742
Victims of Moshe Eisemann said...
I knew Mr. Moshe Eisemann (blame me all you want for being politically incorrect, but I am not going to call him "rabbi" anymore) for almost as many years as you did, the "Anonymous" defender @ November 21, 2007 12:22 PM. (BTW, why don't you reveal your real name? Unlike us, you have nothing to fear - Ner Israel Rabbinical College may even offer you a staff position on its campus, unless, of course, you already have a makom there and wrote your comment from the Bruce Markowitz' office during your lunch break as part of your Eisemann-PR campaign!).
I have personally seen Mr. Moshe Eisemann inappropriately (to say the least!) laying a hand on a student right in the Bet-Medrash, in the presence of the holy Torah and Hashem's Shekinah!
That was a real shock for me. A minute ago I would NEVER! believe him to be a child molester. Furthermore - I would be the first one to defend him against such "false" accusations! However - אין לדיין אלא מה שעיניו רואות (בבא בתרא קלא:א) "The judge is constrained by what his eyes see" (Bava Kama 131a).
I'll tell you the truth - I didn't want to believe what I saw. My Lubavitcher friend told me that he had the same feelings when the last Lubavitcher Rebbe (whom he believed to be the Messiah) died. He couldn't believe it, he was broken, he thought that Hashem was about to make a miracle for the Rebbe to come back. Reality is a cruel thing. It blinds some people, but it also offers the gift of sight to others...
I started to observe Mr. Eisemann more closely. I noticed that he is not omnivorous like the other child molesters. When it came to his victims, he never rushed after every kid Mondrowitz-like. As an elegant professor of Ethics, he had his preferences. So it proves nothing if he never caressed you, you simply were not the one he sexually desired, that's all. But I do know people who suffered greatly at the hands of Mr. Moshe Eisemann.
Last week, Andrew Buerger wrote in the BJT that "Law enforcement authorities are investigating alleged molesters we've brought to the public eye." There is much more going on now in Baltimore than you, dear "Anonymous" defender of Moshe Eisemann, know. The era of Moshe Eisemann's impunity is almost over.
http://www.jewishtimes.com/scripts/edition.pl?SubSectionID=34&now=11/18/2007&stay=1
This week's letters continue with the feedback on our excellent Nov. 2 cover story on how area Reform congregations are ailing while sister congregations elsewhere are succeeding. One writer said we are biased against the Reform movement for reporting such news.
For me, it's interesting to be called anti-Reform; I grew up in a Reform household.
Beyond my personal views, the concept flies in the face of the letters we've printed this past year regarding our series about alleged sexual molestation by Orthodox rabbis. Back then we were called anti-Orthodox.
Again, fascinating given that the important series was written by our frum Executive Editor, Phil Jacobs.
It's overly simplistic to say we're doing our job if both the Reform and Orthodox think we're picking on them. In reality, we're doing our job as journalists to deliver the truth, which helps affect positive change. We continue to shine a light on our system's challenges, not to embarrass people but to ensure improvement.
Since the sexual molestation series, local rabbinic counsels and day schools have implemented changes to protect innocent children. Law enforcement authorities are investigating alleged molesters we've brought to the public eye. The molestation pieces have included tips to protect our children and stories on how some Jewish survivors are coping.
Meanwhile, the Jewish Times also has covered tough issues such as teenage and adult substance abuse. This isn't done to harm people, but to help make parents aware of the problems so that their kids don't become another overdose statistic.
In the coming months, the Jewish Times will be bringing you more questions –– and hopefully even more answers to those challenges in this rapidly changing world.
We may tackle some uncomfortable topics and highlight some problems we'd rather pretend don't exist. But then we'd be straying from our mission of enhancing the Jewish community. We aren't doing it because we're biased or want to pick on one particular group. And, of course, we always let our readers respond.
Ad Hoc...
I think by going after Tropper financiers boycott style you achieve nothing. They don't, and can't evaluate reality based on little shmucks like us who send them letters and threaten them. In fact, it may only embolden him. "Boo hoo hoo", he'll say "the shkotzim are attacking me". What needs to be done is getting serious rabbis to oppose him on halachic grounds. Remember, he claims to fix a very real problem. There are many corrupt or ultra-liberal rabbis doing phoney giyurs en masse. Many of them would in fact rather see Tropper go ahead than being themselves scrutinized.
Boog - THX, but I have a life too. Can't dedicate all my time to DB alone.
BTW - don't forget today's Oswald's yohrtzeit!
J.Izrael
Don't turn the Mondrowitz case into the Amy Neustein show!
Please stop associating with Neustein. She's done everything in her power to violate her daughter's right to privacy. Don't allow her do it again.
Don't turn the Mondrowitz case into the Amy Neustein show!
Please stop associating with Neustein. She's done everything in her power to violate her daughter's right to privacy. Don't allow her do it again.
Eckstein is shlock shamess for Leib Puretz - not Leib Pinter.
Is this the Eckstein who used to (maybe still does) walk up and down Kings Highway in Brooklyn trying to get the Russian store owners to become Shomer Shabbos. His wife teaches English? in Mir Yeshiva K'tanah.
Boog, Ouch! them tweezers really hurt, you would need an extra long tweezer for the gerer chevra with the langa gatches,
c'mon leave r'aamco alone, overall he is a nice guy and means well, unless, you got something on him, then you gotta spill the beans, and post it right over here, but as I told you I found him to be a pretty decent guy.
BTW, this saying (Double A (Beep, Beep) M-C-O!) is from curtis sliwa.
"SHTIK FERD! LYING SOB!"
I guess that means that Rabbi Dovid Cohen denies telling Mondrowitz to flee.
What evidence is there that he did?
Boog, I'm sure the Gerrorists are going a little overboard but let's not get carried away.
The Mishna Brura poskens that a bochur should hold from the crown when pishing as it's the least sensitive part.
Shichvas zera levotola is also a serious problem in yeshiva dorms. I can't tell you how many guys I caught trying to get themselves off in high school, beis medrash and even one guy I interrupted in the act when I walked in & surprised him in Lakewood.
The Acharon, Sefer Peleh Yoetz goes so far as to say that yeshivos should appoint shomrim to check on bochurim at night who move too much under the covers.
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2007/11/action-needed-case-of-ex-rabbi-moshe.html#7984288963449021861
Anonymous said...
You know I personally do not like the Baltimore Jewish Times for a few reasons.
1. How many years has it taken them to write these stories? I know for a fact that Phil Jacobs has been sitting on the Eisgrau story for close to ten or more years. It's not like it's been a deep dark secret that the community has a problem.
2. It's interesting how Phil Jacobs is taking all the credit for exposing sexual abuse in Baltimore. If I remember correctly The Awareness Center has been doing it for the last five or six years.
3. Why is the Baltimore Jewish Times continuously promoting programs associated with Jewish Family Services and also Jewish Big Brother / Big Sister? If I remember correctly Aviva Weisbord is the head of the program. She's part of the problem. Phl, don't you remember how she lacked the professionalism to keep confidentiality with the Eisgrau daughter?
Weisbord has access to every person mental health records who goes to Jewish Family Services. My bet is that when ever anyone makes an allegation of sexual abuse she is notified and makes sure she notifies the rabbonim of our community.
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2007/11/narrow-bridge-being-shown-in-dc-and.html#921693215376250150
Rabbi Yosef Blau - Review for the film said...
Dear Israel,
My wife and I saw the film on our computer yesterday and want to express support and appreciation for your work. It is a remarkable accomplishment for a young man working with such limited resources. I am unfortunately well aware of the problem of sexual and other kinds of abuse in the Orthodox community and of the denial that protects abusers and hinders helping survivors. I work at Yeshiva University in New York and will try to arrange a showing for our students. As you know better than I, film is a powerful medium of communication. Progress has been made in getting some acknowledgement that religious Jews, even rabbis, can be abusers but there is a long road ahead.
Younger rabbis are often more aware and this should lead to a change in communal responses. Your sensitivity to the mores of the community, no physical contact, profanity and sexual language adds credibility and will help in getting people to see the film. Copies of the DVD will circulate in places where no one will openly mention that there is a film. I learned this from Menachem Daum has put out films about the Hassidic world. In general people who have been abused should get professional help. Only a few can cope on their own even with support from family and spouse. Your film was true to much of the Orthodox world in Daniel's not considering it as an option.
Best wishes,
Rabbi Yosef Blau
This Eckstein is a "Yankel Beeper" who drives around with his car outfitted with every gadget. His father is a rebbe in the Mir. His brother is a photographer I think. As far as shmiras Shabbos on Kings Hwy there is a Shabbos parade once a year that all Flatbush yeshivos & Chassidusen participate in. It is an old minhag from the Chofetz CHaim and they sing his niggun: Volt ich geven bekoyech volt ich geshrigen Shabbos, heilige Shabbos. I haven't been to it for years but it sounds like the kind of thing that Eckstein would push his way to being in charge of to speak to the storeowners. Eckstein is not the only loser who works for Puretz. Puretz likes to hire rachmoness cases.
http://newsinlakewood.blogspot.com/2007/11/kosher-phone-launched-in-lakewood.html
A project which has already seen widespread success in Israel, has now moved on to Lakewood, New Jersey. The 'Kosher Phone' otherwise known in Israel as a 'Cellphone Meushar' is enabled only for voice, while the text messaging and other data features widely seen on cellphones today are disabled. The pilot project in Israel, which was widely endorsed by the leading Rabbi's there, now sees other Orthodox Jewish communities picking up on the success which saw all the major cellphone companies in Israel selling these special phones, including Orange, Cellcom, and Pelephone. The plan here in Lakewood is endorsed by the Mashgiach of Beth Medrash Govoha and is available at Beepers Plus on Clifton Ave. in Lakewood. The Orthodox Jewish community generally shuns needless outside influences which can have ill effects spiritually, and therefore an idea was sought out how to have cellphones, which are needed in today's day and age, but without the negative consequences.
I heard that Eckstein appointed himself the big kanoyee for Rabbi Berenbaum. When Rav Shraga Moishe Kalmanowitz was niftar, he didn't like that 3 new roshei yeshiva took his place so he allegedly did things to be mevazeh them befarhesya.
http://www.myspace.com/madhappy
Nebich
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071123/ENTERTAINMENT/711230307/1036
The pink- and blue-haired couple from the video is Rivka, 29, and Mike Kilmer, 38, and they make up Mad Happy. They describe their sound as "guy and girl vocals interspersed with fast, conscious rapping over up-tempo and electro-funk beats with reggae, salsa and eastern European-influenced melodies."
Beyond the lyrics, Mike and Rivka's unique and diverse musical and general backgrounds are what come together and form the sound of Mad Happy. Rivka hails from Brooklyn, while Mike comes from Hoboken, N.J. The pair says they met at a Native American sweat lodge, fell in love and started the act so that they could tour and make music together.
Rivka grew up listening to predominantly religious music in a Hasidic community, a form of Jewish Orthodoxy with cultural roots in Eastern Europe, but changed her musical destiny on her own.
"I discovered radio in secret and got into whatever I heard," Rivka says. "It was years before I figured out the fact that music is split up in genres."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/927167.html
Osem will remove from store shelves tens of thousands of bags of salty snacks containing jewelry for children with a lead content 3.5 times the permissable amount.
The recall was ordered by the Industry, Trade and Labor Ministry
Osem initially rejected the ministry's request to recall individual bags of its popular Bamba, Bisli and Dubonim snacks, claiming that the standards did not apply to the prizes included with the product. On Thursday the company reversed its position, at the ministry's instructions
Asked why the company itself did not issue the warning in a prominent way, Kaplan denied that Osem was evading responsibility for the children's health or was concealing anything
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=loc&addr=&zip=08701&search=Search
Look at all these guys giving money to Hillary Clinton.
R` Yudel asks if any of them have given money for mishpochos that can`t afford chinuch.
LVF:
My Dear Tinkle;
"A little overboard"...
You serious?
Is that like being a little pregnant?
Is that why by your own account/admission the entire Bochurim population of Lakewood "Ihr Hatorah" is jerking off between Sedorim?
Perhaps BMG should institute a Chabura so that the Bochrim can compare notes?
At this upcoming Shabbos "sponje" in Brooklyn by BMG, you can ask the august Roshei Hayeshivos why this is going on in their backyard despite all of the Musser Shmuessen and Big-Brother is watching you?
Miney Hu Bey.
Gur is off the wall in this Inyan and in their guideline for marital interaction and so are other Hareid-hasidic sects that preach this type of repressive abnormal crap.
I'm not running counter to the M.B. but the fact is that you are trivializing a very serious problem.
All reports and cases of Sex Abuse, pedophilia, and sex attacks are coming from the Hareidi precincts:
Chazora Session:
1. Eisgrau
2. Eisemann
3. Bryks
4. Lanner
5. Kolko
6. Colmer
7. Mondrowitz
8. Jerry Brauner
9. Leizerowitz
Ladies and Gentlemen; You're starting Ball-Busting All-Star Team.
Keep going. I'm sure that you can fill out the rest of this Major League Ball Team 25 Man roster with worthy skilled candidates.
What is the common denominator?
Highly Sexually repressive environments, Musser Shmuessen, Kommandantes, and AAMCo crackpot Ombudsman which obviously have effects and lead to results opposite to their intended outcomes. Ultra-Repressive restrictions boomerang, just ask the Catholic Church with their abnormal celibacy policy and that has been paying for it big-time.
LVF:
You really amaze and surprise me:
Are you really a Gur Hasid writing e-mails to Hynee and the Israeli Gov't shturming against leizerowitz and Mondrowitz or are you an undercover agent trying to get the goods on Gur?
Cause if you is truly a Gur Guy on the inside and seen/experienced first-hand the crapola perpertrated by Mondro and leizero as you say, you would not dismiss with a wave of your hand the stuff that this Avrum Mordeche Cohen is doing. He is laying the groundwork and priming the future Gur pedophiles and successors to Mondrowitz and Leizerowitz.
As a matter fact ask AAMCO if Mondro and/or leizerowitz were talmidim of his.
eckstein has not worked for leib puretz for 10 years. he is also leib pinter the gangsters arch enemy. Rumor had it that he was the one who dropped tens of thousands of papers all over flatbush exposing pinter as a crook.
he has never written his own opinion on yeshivaworld.
ever.
although i personally do not get along with him on many issues (as a longtime friend of his), you are dead wrong on the items you listed.
do some homework, and rewrite your rant.
He will post any letter from any rov about anything. As long as it's signed.
one more thing......get a life yudel shain.
its soooooo damn obvious that you wrote that rant.
if i were you, i would be concered with your son simcha. seems like he's headed for jail with eli weinstein shortly.
stay tuned
I thougt it would be interesting to let the Olam Hayeshiva know, that on the upcoming BMG New York shabbos The ROSH HAYESHIVA, RABBI MALKIEL KOTLER will be davening at non other then WEINFELDS SHUL And FRANKELS Shul. Hashem yerachem! Hakesf Yaneh es Hakol, even molesting children
Funny thing!
I was thinking the same thing!
Yudel Shain wrote that blog above. He is such a bitter pig that needs to get a life.
And good thing that the above blogger mentioned his son Simcha.
He is right. It will hit the papers shortly...
Shick....Dweck...and coming soon: Shain and Weinstein.
Guess that's why Simchamade a sheva brachos for the big skver chasunah a few weeks ago.
Is simcha or eli a skver chosid? No.
Far from it.
He just needs to have him in his pocket - so maybe he will go eat out hillarry for them after they are in jail.
I hate scumbags like there.
Apple don't fall far from the tree, Yudle.
Get a life.
Leave the ranting to UOJ.
BMG's $habbo$ $PONjE coming to a Flatbush neighborhood near you this week!
That`s very interesting that someone dumped papers all over that Leib Pinter is a crook.
Which of Pinter`s MANY genayvishe episodes were outlined
question
can i sue people or communities for cllecting govmt money food stamps medicaid section eight and thing like that
and collect damages as a taxpayer
if i can then can i sue the DA for ignoring the rampant fraud in these communities
maybe thats the way to shut the kollels and make people actually work
Boog,
I never said that humping the mattress is a past time in Lakewood. I caught ONE SINGLE alter bochur doing it. I`m sure there are others but it`s very depressing & lonely to hang around single for many years.
I am sure that the vast majority who make it to Lakewood & get married young are able to control themselves.
You`re also wrong about Lanner. He & his enablers are modern orthodox and there are more where he came from.
ha!
weinfeld = kolko
kotler = weinfeld
kotle = kolko
joe tabak = kotler
kotler = ralph hertzka
kotler = prick
joe tabak = certified wife swapper
kotler (aron) = certified pot smoker
i'm going to puke.
take care.
Yudle.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110010896
How Kosher Was Your Turkey?
Some Jews demand better treatment for birds.
BY JULIE WIENER
Friday, November 23, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST
Yesterday, 24 New York City households served turkeys that were not only free-range, organic and raised on a nearby family farm--but also 100% kosher. For that, their guests can give thanks to Simon Feil, a 31-year-old actor who has devoted the past 1 1/2 years to starting Kosher Conscience, a "kosher ethical meat co-op." The co-op, which 90 people have expressed interest in joining when it begins regular poultry and beef deliveries in a few months, will offer kosher meat that has been treated humanely "at every stage," he says.
Judaism's taboos on pork and shellfish, as well as the requirement to separate meat and dairy products, are well known even among gentiles. Yet for many contemporary American Jews the taboos can feel arbitrary, cumbersome and devoid of meaning (only 17% say they keep kosher homes). At the same time, some Jews who do find spiritual meaning in the dietary laws have become frustrated that kosher food production does not always reflect their values.
Amid reports that animals destined to become kosher meat are raised in the same conditions as their nonkosher counterparts--along with recent allegations of abusive labor practices and unsanitary conditions at Agriprocessors, one of the world's largest kosher slaughterhouses--some Jews are re-examining the laws governing what is "fit" to eat. "We are not in any way changing the traditional meaning of the word 'kosher,' but are asking, 'What does it mean to be kosher in the 21st century?' " explains Leah Koenig, editor of jcarrot.org, a blog on Jews, food and contemporary issues. "Food that's drenched in pesticides or grown with unfairly paid migrant workers, . . . is that consistent with Jewish values?"
The blog is one of many projects launched by Hazon, a Manhattan group at the forefront of what it calls a "new Jewish food movement." Since 2004, Hazon has helped start nine Jewish community- supported agriculture programs (CSAs) nationwide (and one in Israel), in which individuals buy shares in a local farm in exchange for a weekly portion of the harvest. Hazon's second annual Jewish Food Conference next month will feature the slaughter of a goat to spark discussion about kosher meat.
All of this has met a groundswell of interest among a range of people, from Modern Orthodox to those who have little other connection to organized Jewish life. Hazon received 27 applications this year from Jewish groups wanting to start CSAs.
Is "ethical eating" a Jewish value? Judaism's sacred texts have much to say on the treatment of animals, not to mention employees. "The responsibility for having an appropriate work environment--from hours to pay schedule--are part and parcel of Jewish tradition as much as the laws of kashrut," says Rabbi Kenneth Brander, dean of Yeshiva University's Center for the Jewish Future.
For centuries rabbis and scholars have puzzled over the reasons for keeping kosher beyond simply that God commanded it. Some have argued that the laws--particularly the ban on pork--were about health, while others have claimed that kosher slaughter is more humane than other methods. Religious leaders and scholars today tend to point to kashrut's effect on keeping Jews from mixing excessively with members of other religions and on reminding Jews that everyday life is holy.
Rabbi Avi Shafran, the director of public affairs for the fervently Orthodox Agudath Israel of America, is concerned that some people are "subjecting the word 'kosher' to a subtle redefinition." "There may be a plethora of considerations people can, or even should, take into account when buying their food," Rabbi Shafran wrote in an email. "But kashrut is determined by the Torah's ritual laws, and is not dependent on whether factory workers were unionized, an animal was hoisted or pesticide traces are above or below a certain parts-per-million measurement."
Not surprisingly, many officials in the kosher foods industry prefer to stick to a narrow definition. Rabbi Menachem Genack, CEO of the Kashrut Division of the Orthodox Union, the largest kosher certification agency in the U.S., says matters of health, safety and workplace conduct are "not trivial," but their enforcement is better left in the hands of federal and state governments
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/responses.html?article_id=110010896
Steve & friends can write anti-Rubashkin feedback here for the world to see.
"As a matter fact ask AAMCO if Mondro and/or leizerowitz were talmidim of his".
Boog, aamco is about the same age and probably a few years younger than mondro/leizro, so I dont think that they were his talmidim, besides aamco originates from canada, while mondro was from chicago, and leizro from israel, It seems to me r'boog, that the only beef you have with aamco is his missonary tactics for ger converts, if so then leave the guy alone, for he has done noone wrong, we might not like it, but thats just to bad.
It is true that when Eckstein was anonymously running the pathetic Mirrer yeshiva blog that he let everyone bash Leib Pinter.
Ok, so Eckstein hates one scumbag. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Boogie,
I don`t know if it`s fair to pick on the yeshivas. Molesters come in all stripes including modern and secular.
And masturbating might be more prevalent in the right environment. The Upper West Side crowd doesn`t need to come on to it. You can go home to bed with some hot chick you meet at the Friday night meal. If you don`t have what it takes to pick up women, it`s not unheard of that some guys have subscribed to escort services.
I think it`s a bad idea to asser text messaging. On Sept 11th when cell service was down, texting was the only thing that worked.
http://www.agriprocessor.com/agriprocessors_history/postville_slaughterhouse_story.php#
According to the Rubashkin company website, its "products can be found in many supermarkets nationally such as Albertson’s Kroger, Shop Rite, Wal-Mart, Trader Joe’s, Ralph’s, Pathmark, H.E. Butt, Key Food, etc
http://www.agriprocessor.com/agriprocessors_postville_news/An-Open-Letter-to-Our-Loyal-Customers.php#
Dear Customer:
It has come to my attention that you may have been the victim of a slanderous and patently false campaign by the United Food and Commercial Workers Union. You may have received their misleading flyer entitled “Kosher Alert” or an automated phone call with misinformation about products produced by Agriprocessors. This is part of a textbook campaign by the Union to force a company into submission to unionize a plant even when it is against the wishes of the workers, which is the case at Agriprocessors.
The vicious tactics by the Union not withstanding, when someone makes allegations about practices in our company or the quality of our products, I take it personally. My family guarantees that all our products are safe and wholesome. Let me assure you there are no recalls or food safety issues with our products. We have a moral obligation to produce the safest products for our customers and we take that obligation very seriously. The Rubashkin family has been supplying high quality kosher meat and poultry for over fifty years. Mr. Aron Rubashkin has earned his reputation of trust for Kosher, quality and food safety. That is why consumers across America rely on our product every day.
As you know, all of our products must earn the seal of wholesomeness by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) before they leave our plant. To produce safe food in our modern production facility, we and the on-site USDA inspectors maintain a constant vigilance. We are committed to continue to strive for improvement so that you are guaranteed of the safest and utmost quality products.
It is unfortunate that in today’s day and age of respect for democratic institutions, that the United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW), refuses to abide by the wishes of the workers at Agriprocessors not to organize into a Union We would at any time respect the right of our employees to organize and join a union if they so choose.
Ironically, the UFCW has targeted our food safety record that as you can see below is nothing less than stellar. Here are but a few highlights:
Concerns about Mad Cow disease are simply wrong. We have never had product from any suspect animals leave our plant.
Agriprocessors has had zero recalls in any of our raw, fresh or frozen poultry and beef products since we opened. Yes, not one recall in nineteen years.
We are proud of our commitment to the principles we established almost nineteen years ago.
The food we produce at Agriprocessors is safe and wholesome. You have my word on it.
We encourage you to ask questions and find out for yourself. To get the facts, visit our web site www.agriprocessor.com or e-mail me at asksholom@iowabestbeef.com.
http://www.agriprocessor.com/agriprocessors_postville_news/Letter-To-Our-Customers-Concerning-the-UFCW.php#
By Sholom Rubashkin
AGRIPROCESSORS, INC.
P.O. BOX 920, 220 WEST STREET
Postville, IA 52162
Tel#563-864-6070, Fax #563-864-6073
November 14, 2007
I am writing to you to dispel certain misconceptions that may have arisen as a result of inaccurate information of which you may have become aware concerning Agriprocessors, Inc
Agriprocessors, Inc. is a viable company that is committed to maintaining the quality of its product both in full compliance with existing rules and regulations of the USDA and in full compliance with the rules of kashruth. Over the past couple of years the employees of Agriprocessors, Inc. in Iowa have resisted attempts by the United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW) to become their collective bargaining agent. Agriprocessors, Inc. in the past has and will continue in the future to maintain a commitment to its employees to create a safe, enjoyable and mutually beneficial atmosphere in the workplace.
The UFCW, as it has in the past, we believe, is engaging in a course of conduct which has been referred to as "waging economic war on an unorganized company", the present target of which is Agriprocessors, Inc. As part and parcel of this campaign the UFCW has disseminated inaccurate and false information which is designed to destroy Agriprocessors, Inc.'s image and inflict economic damage. The UFCW has also inappropriately attempted to contact existing business relationships in order to interfere with the lawful business of Agriprocessors, Inc. Moreover, we believe that the Union has been instrumental in orchestrating frivolous investigations of our company, by governmental authorities.
Should you have any questions concerning anything contained in this letter or wish to discuss this matter with me in detail, please feel free to contact me at your convenience.
Very truly yours,
Sholom Rubashkin,
Vice President
Can someone please fill me in with these shuls that Rabbi kotler will be davening at? Who are there respective Rabbonim?
R`Malkiel Kotler once had a parlor meeting in the home of thieving Leib Pinter`s little runt shutef from Rottenberg`s shul. Everyone was pissed off that he bentched Hagomel levatolo mit crocodile tears after the fake jewelry heist so no one showed up.
http://www.agriprocessor.com/agriprocessors_testimonials/pdf/Mayor_Robert_Penrod_Letter.pdf
I would be nothing without Rubashkin`s money. What do you expect me to say
In 1983 a meeting was held at the home of Yaakov Perlow (the Novominsker). The purpose of this meeting was to relate individual accounts of the horrors being perpetrated by Mondrowitz and to request action by those in attendance.
Rabbi Avrohom Pam, Elya Svei, Yaakov Perlow, Chaim Dov Keller, Aharon Schechter, Shia Fishman and Moshe Scheinerman all attended this meeting.
At the conclusion of the meeting Svei announced the decision of the group.
In light of the fact Torah U'Mesorah had prior knowledge of Mondrowitz's deeds and did nothing, to do anything now would place Torah U'Mesorah in legal jeopardy. He continued; Torah U'Mesorah's legal counsel advises them to do nothing and that is what they will do. Nothing.
So, add;
Rabbi Avrohom Pam
Elya Svei,
Yaakov Perlow,
Chaim Dov Keller,
Aharon Schechter,
Shia (Joshua) Fishman,
and last and least, Moshe Scheinerman;
to the list.
http://www.agriprocessor.com/agriprocessors_postville_news/iowa_kosher_slaughtering_plant.php
Rubashkin is taking sides now in the Satmar machlokes
Shmarya is mirroring UOJ or vice versa? UOJ, are you still there? I got this sneaking suspicion that UOJ has left the room after finding half this blog on failed messiah.
If BMG CEO Aron Kotler can affordan $8,200 donation to Hillary the place is obviously floating in cash. Reb Malkiel can offer the crooks in Frankel's to launder their cash through BMG.
Shame on you BMG leeches.
Tinkle, LVF, Upper West Side;
1. Does not negate my point that repressive rules/regulations in the hareidi sector and their Big Brother Kommandante Oversight leads to problems and abuse.
Can you find abusers in the MO sector? No doubt. Lanner is but one MO name from the list of the 9 All-Stars listed above.
2. From what I hear AAMCO is part of the problem and has no business counseling or being around teen-age Bochurim. With everything that has come out from the Ichud Molestas Gur I'm really surprised at you.
Can you imagine if a gerrorist Kommandante and not King AviMelech was the first recorded Peeping Tom looking through Yitzchok/Rivkah's window watching their "Mitzacheyk"?
Jewish History may very well have been irrevocably altered.
3. UWS: Preferable that your nice Jewish MO boys score on Friday nights to molesting little/big boys and girls.
Eckstein's supporter won't answer many pressing questions and thinks he can get away with it by attacking R' Yudel & his son.
Eckstein does not put up signed letters unless they are from thugs like Belsky who attacks innocent people like Greenwald & Bitton.
There are letters signed by R' Shlomo Miller against Belsky & Heinemann that Eckstein refuses to put up.
The letters engineered by Scheinerman to be motzee shem ra on Rav Halberstam's mikva were discredited but Eckstein refuses to take them down - including the one that R' Dovid Feinstein was chozer on after he realized he was duped.
Eckstein should stick to being a driver.
Haredi youth arrested for sexually assaulting siblings, neighbors!!!!
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=928206&contrassID=1&subContrassID=7
Whoosh! Whoosh!
Whir! Whir!
Spin! Spin!
Yes that is the sound of the money being laundered by the various Jewish organizations. Making ill gotten gains by the pseudo-religious Jews become Kosher. Hopefully, with Zugibe as Rockland County's DA not in the pocket of the usual Monsey crooks, justice will finally take place. A simple audit of YSV books for the past seven years will eveal a lot of info. After that they can look into the books of another few laundromats.
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2007/11/call-to-action-unsuspecting-families.html
UOJ must have put Vicky up to attacking first the Gerrer Rebbe & Sol Werdiger and now me.
AAMCO is not an officialy sanctioned commandant of the gerorist regime. The poor dude thinks that he will redeem the world a la jesus christ if every boy goes ger. he doesn't even teach in ger anymore. Unless you know otherwise it would be unjust and unfair to name and mock a private fella who to our knowledge has never hurt a fly. Du u know that to his credit, even though he was a very good rebbi in the gerer cheder he never accepted a tip from a parent.
I humbly second gavra rabba r' LVF in requesting review from UOJ as to whether he aught to remove the name of this charachter. At the very least mention him by his acronym and not his name.
This incident kind of reminds me of when a certain pediatrician in brooklyn was accused of molesting a patient. Turns out the boy didn't know that testicular examination was required physician protocol and when cooler minds prevailed amongst the hysteria to explain this in context the boy apologized in the public forum online where he made the accusations and all was well again.
I in no way intend to diminish Boog's integrity. In fact I have been from those campaigning for boog to appear here more regularly. Rather , even our leader UOJ will and has agreed to the premise that even us cyber warriors can err at times. Infalability is reserved to Jesus, F'n Waxman Dovid Cohen and other perverted rabbis/enablers.
can someone please prove the doantion thta lakewood kotler gave to hillary
if you prove it that will be that last dime i ever give them
AAMCO is an honorable man.
http://kolra-ashgadol.blogspot.com/2007/11/latest-from-forward-united-food-and.html
Sunday, November 25, 2007
Rubashkin's: will it never end?
Harry Maryles posts:
Yeshivaworld has received dozens of emails in the last 12 hours telling us that they have received anonymous, automated phone calls telling them that Rubashkin Meat has Mad Cow Disease - amongst other things. Yeshivaworld has learned that these phone calls have been made to thousands & thousands of homes.
This was followed by a reader who took offense at the fact that an outside organization whose motives were not pure would use scare tactics as a means of putting pressure on Rubashkin for their own purposes.
This in turn generated a defensive response from Sholom Rubashkin, a vice president of the company that is both true... and misleading. He claimed they have never had a recall of their raw meat. True. But they did have a recall of some of their processed meat. One that the USDA termed a high health risk!
Now I seriously doubt that Rubashkin’s products have been tainted by Mad Cow desease, although it’s possible. But to defend oneself by misleading statements calls into question the integrity of their entire enterprise.
It is also unfair for Yeshivaworld to present a one sided view of this issue. They should have given the union an opportunity to present theirs.
Here is the way my source put it:
To imply that the USDA has never found reason for a recall is IMNSHO far below the level of honesty I would expect from a kosher food supplier.
Okay, so maybe the message is starting to sink in - after the arrests of members of the Rubashkin family (on unrelated charges), several outside - disinterested- reports of various misdeeds in the plant, the Orthodox community is just beginning to perhaps think about maybe suspecting that all is not perfectly cricket. Well, maybe in another decade or so something will happen. Just maybe. Or maybe it will just increase their sales more.
*sigh*
Oh, and I hereby initiate the new "Rubashkin's" category which I threatened in my last post on these shysters, since this seems to be nowhere close to an end...
http://jewschool.com/2007/11/23/rubashkins-will-it-never-end/#comment-265357
Libelous claims that Kosher is Cruel have dogged us in one way or another for over a thousand years. In most cases they have been simple anti-semitism, designed to make it impossible for Jews to keep kosher.
What Rubashkin’s is doing, therefore, is real Chillul HaShem - between its health violations and labor violations, and even its carelessness with the animals, it gives creedence to the “Kosher is Cruel” charge. I would contend that the plant’s very existence and methodology runs counter to the intent of the laws of Sh’chita, because I cannot see a way that an assembly-line shochet can bring any Kavannah to the act.
Now the problem with what outside organizations are doing is that it triggers the Jewish community’s almost reflexive response to view as anti-semitic any criticism that comes from outside the community, regardless of its truth or value. Seems to me, though, that the kinds of criticism leveled against Rubashkin’s is no different than that leveled against any of the larger abattoirs since Fast Food Nation raised people’s awareness about the diffidence big-meat shows toward the safety of its product.
All in all, I regard Rubashkin’s as a significant evil, because it’s goal is to destroy local shechting, and build a kosher meat monopoly. I guess I would like to see Shochets working with local organic growers to produce meat for local communities.
—Rich · November 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pm
That putz Lichtenstein gave even more.
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=loc&addr=&zip=08701&search=Search
509 CAREY ST, 8701
Aaron Kotler
Updated
Q3/2007
Hillary Clinton
$4,100
2008
Janice Kotler
Updated
Q3/2007
Hillary Clinton
$4,100
2008
$8,200 given by this address.
$0 to Republicans
$8,200 to Democrats
AAMCO should not be counseling teenage boys.
MONDROWITZ EXTRADITION REQUEST SAT AT US DOJ FOR 7 MONTHS – DELAY CALLED HIGHLY UNUSUAL
Early coverage of the pending extradition of Avrohom Mondrowitz noted that the Brooklyn DA asked the US Department of Justice for Mondrowitz's extradition immediately after the new treaty between Israel and the US went into effect in January 2007. Later, the DA's office clarified that – the extradition request was sent to the DOJ in February. Jerry Schmetterer, the DA's spokesperson, confirmed this with me today, insisting February was when the request to the DOJ was made. It turns out the Brooklyn DA's office did not get confirmation of the new treaty until late January. This accounts, it seems, for a February request.
Enter the DOJ. It's spokesperson, Bryan Sienna, confirmed what all later news coverage has reported – the US Department of Justice did not ask Israel for the extradition of Avrohom Mondrowitz until September 2007. The exact date according to Sienna is September 7.
This means there is a 7 month gap between the Brooklyn DA's request to the DOJ and the DOJ's request to Israel.
Without specifying the case or any details, I asked a federal legal professional who has dealt with foreign extraditions about normal practice. Is there ever a gap between the local request to the DOJ and the DOJ's request to the foreign government?
It's normally very fast, he told me. I asked him if 7 months was an unusual delay. Unheard of, he said. Highly unusual. From his experience, there should be almost no time between a request made by state or local law enforcement and the formal request made by the DOJ to the foreign country involved.
I called Jerry Schmetterer back. He again insisted the February date is firm.
So what happened here? Why was the DOJ's request delayed by 7 months?
I don't know.
I looked to see if anything unusual happened in late August or early September, something that might have removed an impediment to the process. So far, I've only found this: US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales resigned his post on August 27, 2007. As you know, Gonzales was implicated in both the US Attorney firing scandal and in other inappropriate activity. Gonzales' resignation was effective September 17, 2007.
Is the Gonzales resignation linked to the Mondrowitz extradition request?
I don't know. But I do know a 7 month wait for the DOJ to ask a foreign country for an extradition is extremely unusual, and that unusual delay ended almost immediately after Gonzales resigned.
[Thanks to Dr. R-P for some support on this.]
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If you follow the sequence of events carefully, it ties in with UOJ's lauding of his friend Judge Mukasey as attorney General designate.
Posted by: george | November 26, 2007 at 05:02 PM
It does not. He wasn't approved until later and his nomination was more than one week afterward.
Posted by: Shmarya | November 26, 2007 at 05:06 PM
There was a reason for UOJ to make a big deal over Mukasey's appointment. Appointees are aware of their potential nominations way in advance. Besides, A phone call to the DOJ from a man of Mukasey's caliber, would have gotten their attention. I'm telling you, there's a method to UOJ's "madness". He was perfectly clear in June that his goal for the summer was to get Mondrowitz extradited. He has not been wrong yet.
Posted by: george | November 26, 2007 at 05:27 PM
Chesed L'Avraham is having a reception tomorrow night at 8:30 pm in the Young Israel of Queens Valley @ 77th Ave & corner of Main St in Kew Gardens Hills. The rabbi of this shul is Belsky's buddy from the Iggud Haganovim, Peretz Steinberg.
Giving a "special address" at 9:15 will be 'Effin Wachsman.
And here is Shafran writing on Kenny (Yaakov) Menken's Cross Currents website. Menken allegedly confessed abuse of a girl to R' Shmuel Kaminetzky.
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/11/22/sin-and-subtext/
November 22, 2007
Sin and Subtext
Filed by Avi Shafran @ 12:57 pm
Last year, an article appeared in New York magazine that told the tawdry tale of an alleged serial Orthodox child abuser.
The New York writer did more than salaciously detail an alleged victim’s accusations. He went on to share with readers his own consideration of the prospect that such ugly behavior is “more common in the Orthodox Jewish community than it is elsewhere.”
“There are no reliable statistics,” he admitted, “
Employing the trusty journalistic tool of ascribing unfounded speculations to anonymous sources, the New York writer went on to reveal that “There are some who believe” that “the repression in the ultra-Orthodox community can foster abuse.” By “the repression,” he helpfully explained, he meant things like the strict forbiddance of sexual relations before marriage and the Jewish family purity laws that regulate when married couples may and may not engage in intimacy. The “few outlets for an Orthodox man with compulsions,” those unnamed “some” believe, create “a fertile environment for deviance.”
Those comments go to the crux of the matter of why Orthodox Jews should care about any of this. After all, why not just ignore it all? Just as unfounded negative assumptions about Jews in general are popular in much of the non-Jewish world, so are Orthodox Jews unfairly maligned in the larger Jewish one. Do we really have to make a fuss?
Well, I believe we do. Because there is a subtext here. The maligning is not of Orthodox Jews alone; it is a maligning of mitzvot, of modesty, of Torah. It is a claim, in effect, that dedication to Torah doesn’t help prevent sin, that it even leads to it.
I believe – and it is Judaism’s belief – that Torah is transformative, that human inclinations are harnessed and controlled by Torah-life and Torah-study. To be sure, there are Jews who lead publicly observant lives yet who are not truly committed to Torah, who have not internalized “fear of Heaven.” And so, there will always be anecdotal evidence of Orthodox wrongdoings of many sorts, with perpetrators identifiable, and duly identified, as Orthodox.
But the vast majority of observant Jews take Torah seriously. And it does elevate them, and empowers them to live exemplary lives. That is part of why the Torah-observant population is greatly underrepresented in the realms of societal ills like rape, AIDS, prostitution and marital infidelity that affect their less “repressed” neighbors. Although it is certainly possible that rates of child or spouse abuse in the Orthodox world are equal to those of general American society, I would expect a similar underrepresentation in those realms as well.
The writers are entitled to their cynicism. But all Jews who respect Torah are entitled – I believe obligated – to expose it, along with offerings of unfounded, bias-born speculations as facts.
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/11/22/sin-and-subtext/#comment-326968
With regard to our community’s unwillingness to take part in such surveys, I believe it’s unfortunate. In the 1950s and 60s, Cleveland State sociologist Israel Rubin did a study of Satmar in Williamsburg. He noted at the beginning that he was going nowhere until he met with the Rebbe and the Rebbe gave the study his approval. Suddenly, the community opened up. The result was “Satmar, an Island in the City.” If we can find the studiers who will be truly objective and careful, what can we lose by learning something about ourselves?
Comment by Lawrence M. Reisman — November 26, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
http://kolra-ashgadol.blogspot.com/2007/11/effortlessly-skinny-people-i-fart-in.html
Effortlessly skinny people, I fart in your general direction...
According to a recent article in the New York Times,"overweight people have a lower death rate because they are much less likely to die from a grab bag of diseases that includes Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s, infections and lung disease. And that lower risk is not counteracted by increased risks of dying from any other disease, including cancer, diabetes or heart disease."
Ich halt this is a carte blanche to snork out at the trough.
Was Agudah's hand in the DOJ cookie jar?
7 months is a long time to be fishing for cookies.
General UOJ will lead us into battle.
Shafran had better watch his back as well as his dusty Borsalino.
Let Shafran know that the community will not stand for his pigheaded insults & complete lack of sympathy for abuse victims.
Tel. (212) 797-9000
Email shafran@agudathisrael.org
shmarya can't handle that UOJ is the king.
Agudath Israel of America employs a spokesman, Rabbi Avi Shafran, who is eager to defend his community from perceived attack. Rabbi Shafran seems to believe haredim do wrong at a lower rate than non-haredim and non-Jews. Why? Because, Rabbi Shafran writes, the Torah is "transformative;" it "elevate[s] [haredim], and empowers them to live exemplary lives." When haredim do commit crimes, Rabbi Shafran says, those criminals cannot be said to be representative of haredim as a whole.
For example, when a hasidic businessman is arrested for fraud, we cannot say fraud is endemic in the hasidic world – even if there are many other examples of fraud perpetrated by hasidim for us to call on. Why? Because, Rabbi Shafran says, the evidence is all anecdotal – there are no statistics to back up the claim.
What Rabbi Shafran does not tell you is those statistics do not exist largely because haredi leaders refuse to cooperate with such information gathering.
He also does not tell you that anecdotal evidence gathered from professionals who work with a population sample on a professional level carries far more weight than raw speculation, and there is much anecdotal evidence drawn from professionals to support the claim that child sexual abuse and other ills are widespread in haredi communities.
So, for example, social workers, welfare agents, doctors, and other professionals anecdotally report high levels of welfare and other social service fraud among their haredi clients. Rabbi Shafran wants us to disregard this information.
Those same professionals speak of sky high levels of child sex abuse among their haredi clients. Again, Rabbi Shafran wants us to disregard this.
According to Rabbi Shafran, when haredi victims of child sexual abuse speak out, they are tragic, individual cases. They certainly are not representative, Rabbi Shafran says, and he knows this with some certainty because – drum roll, please – there are no studies to prove it and the anecdotal evidence is not to be relied on.
[Here, where there is a study, Rabbi Shafran lists his problems with its methodology and seeks to rebut its conclusions. What he does not do is call for any substantive measures to correct the actual problem – sexual abuse of women and girls in haredi communities.]
Rabbi Shafran is also quick to point out that when there has been no trial and therefore no conviction, the rabbi is to be presumed innocent. To Rabbi Shafran, this apparently holds true even when there are dozens of victims and years of "anecdotal" evidence, and even in cases where police were unable to make headway because the haredi victims, acting on orders from their religious leadership, refused to testify against the rabbis who abused them
Rabbi Shafran makes no mention of meetings held by haredi leadership to "deal with" particular rabbi-abusers, meetings that instead ended with implementation of coverups.
Further, rabbis – including some of those Shafran represents – are alleged to have told victims and their families not to go to the police or media, and then shamed and intimidated these victims into compliance.
Jewish and non-Jewish children alike were abused by rabbis who walked freely on the streets of Brooklyn because haredi leadership, intentionally or not, made it so.
Children are being hurt by predator rabbis. One way to weed out these abusers is to have mandatory criminal background checks for all teachers in religious schools. In New York State, this is the law – but only for public schools.
Religious schools are exempt because two powerful religious groups oppose mandatory background checks in their schools – the Catholic Church and Agudath Israel of America.
The number of abused children in the haredi community could be reduced dramatically if mandatory background checks were law.
So, Rabbi Shafran, for the sake of argument, let's say you are right. We will disregard all anecdotal evidence, and we will say these types of deviant abuses are less common in haredi communities than elsewhere. Still, even one incident of preventable rabbi-on-child sexual abuse is too much, don't you think, Rabbi Shafran?
In an ideal world, which we all want and we all should work for, there would be no incidents – our children would be safe, our children would not be abused.
The haredi community can come closer to that goal by supporting mandatory background checks for all teachers and employees of religious schools. And it can come closer faster by unilaterally implementing those background checks now, without waiting for the law to change.
Let Agudath Israel of America's Council of Torah Sages rule that these background checks are mandatory for all schools in the haredi community. The ruling can be enforced by issuing bans against those schools and their leaders who fail to adopt this much needed standard.
Our children need protection now. It is time to act, swiftly and decisively, to protect them.
Anything less, Rabbi Shafran, is just so much hot air.
Look, I love UOJ like a brother but Mukesey has nothing to do with this.
Posted by: Shmarya | November 26, 2007 at 05:50 PM
George,
Despite all he has done for "the cause," UOJ is hardly the omnipotent, omniscient being you (and for that matter, he) imagine him to be. In fact, the activity we have seen with respect to this issue is the result of the hard work of many people, some of whose identities you will never know. I do not point this out to take anything away from UOJ but to emphasize the amount of effort, cooperation and courage it takes to achieve the kind of social change we must pursue, and also to discourage a dangerous, blind reliance on seemingly more powerful others, which is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Posted by: A. Reader | November 26, 2007 at 05:53 PM
There are no coincidences. The timing is too perfect. I'm certain UOJ is not perfect nor did he ever make that claim. Things just don't happen by itself after 23 years of nothing.
Posted by: george | November 26, 2007 at 06:23 PM
One more thing. Exactly after one week of notice of Colmer's extradition. That was definitely a one man UOJ show.
Posted by: george | November 26, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Agudah will most definitely change their position. But it will come after torah temmimah and some other yeshiva collapses. It'll come after "chosuva" rabbis have to give some very uncomfortable testimony. And of course it'll come after some of the major molesters are convicted and locked up.
That is part of why the Torah-observant population is greatly underrepresented in the realms of societal ills like rape, AIDS, prostitution and marital infidelity that affect their less “repressed” neighbors.
WOW!! Don't we all feel so much better now!! Thank you Avi! UOJ, there is no need for this blog anymore. Tell Elliot Pasik that there is no need for all the fuss about background checks, fingerprinting, registry and mandatory reporting. After all, we are "underrepresented" when it comes to such things as child molestation! Tell all the victims of clergy sexual abuse that they really don't matter, you are "underrepresented".
How this moron continues to write such gibberish and gets away with it is beyond me. It's been a year and a half since that article he's referring to, and forty years since Kolko started his molestation career. Do we have anything in place from the Agudah or Torah Umesorah that will give our children one iota of protection? Why is it that public school children have this protection and our children have nothing? Will Avi L. Shafran or the Agudah ever address these questions head on, or will we continue to hear how wonderful the Orthodox world is, and that we are "underrepresented"? It's like the false prophets before the first Temple destruction, telling the people how wonderful they are.
Until there is a tremendous outcry from the community and a demand for change, we will continue hearing from these false prophets. If you care about your children and grandchildren, start putting pressure on the Agudah, Torah Umesorah and your local politicians. Mandatory background checks, fingerprinting, sex offender registry and mandatory reporting MUST BE ENACTED IN THE YESHIVA SYSTEM AT ONCE!!! I am sorry to say that we are underrepresented when it comes to people crying out for the children. Avi, you are wrong, we have more than our fill of perverts!!
Project Eden (which has its own troublesome history) developed a program to train mikvah attendants and sheitel machers to recognize victims of spousal abuse. When word of this made it into the Jewish Week, the organizers and potential participants were threatened with boycotts by community leaders, leading to the cancellation of the program.
As a criminal defense attorney I have represented some Hassids in criminal spousal abuse. If my experience is reflective of the society at large I must say I see far fewer Jews in proportion to their numbers. As to "white collar crimes" I cannot say.
Despite my dislike for Chabad however, the clients in question were given an intense defense. I was able to get the charges dismissed and the family was reunited, thank G-D. Hassids are people too.
I also did pro bono work for a very fractured family. Actually I represented a mentally ill Lubavitcher man who would not give his wife a Ghet. The wife withheld the children and alienated affections of the children. It was a horrible situation. A very fine orthodox (non-Chabad)psychologist tried to help my client through his problems. A very fine attorney who is very much attached to Chabad represented the wife. It was a mess. Fighting tooth and nail. I finally was able to get a judge to allow for visitation.
This case went one for a couple of years. I believe I donated over one hundred hours. My beef is not with individual human beings who are flawed but with those in the Jewish hierarchical establishment who enable abuse, turn away, or otherwise ignore the situation.
dzwiebel@agudathisrael.org is Zweibel's email.
Also, Gertzulin is Rebbitzen Jungreis's son in law.
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It's about time that the Putz is the butt of jokes on the Late Show.
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