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Wednesday, December 16, 2020

Scientists worry that if vaccinated people are silent spreaders of the virus, they may keep it circulating in their communities, putting unvaccinated people at risk. Pfizer and Moderna seem to be remarkably good at preventing serious illness. But it’s unclear how well they will curb the spread of the coronavirus.


Here’s Why Vaccinated People Still Need to Wear a Mask

The new vaccines will probably prevent you from getting sick with Covid. No one knows yet whether they will keep you from spreading the virus to others — but that information is coming.

Scientists worry that if vaccinated people are silent spreaders of the virus, they may keep it circulating in their communities, putting unvaccinated people at risk.

That’s because the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with Covid-19. That leaves open the possibility that some vaccinated people get infected without developing symptoms, and could then silently transmit the virus — especially if they come in close contact with others or stop wearing masks.

If vaccinated people are silent spreaders of the virus, they may keep it circulating in their communities, putting unvaccinated people at risk.

“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”

In most respiratory infections, including the new coronavirus, the nose is the main port of entry. The virus rapidly multiplies there, jolting the immune system to produce a type of antibodies that are specific to mucosa, the moist tissue lining the nose, mouth, lungs and stomach. If the same person is exposed to the virus a second time, those antibodies, as well as immune cells that remember the virus, rapidly shut down the virus in the nose before it gets a chance to take hold elsewhere in the body.

The coronavirus vaccines, in contrast, are injected deep into the muscles and stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies. This appears to be enough protection to keep the vaccinated person from getting ill.

Some of those antibodies will circulate in the blood to the nasal mucosa and stand guard there, but it’s not clear how much of the antibody pool can be mobilized, or how quickly. If the answer is not much, then viruses could bloom in the nose — and be sneezed or breathed out to infect others.

“It’s a race: It depends whether the virus can replicate faster, or the immune system can control it faster,” said Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington in Seattle. “It’s a really important question.”

This is why mucosal vaccines, like the nasal spray FluMist or the oral polio vaccine, are better than intramuscular injections at fending off respiratory viruses, experts said.

A mucosal spray version of the H1N1 vaccine being administered in 2009.

The coronavirus vaccines have proved to be powerful shields against severe illness, but that is no guarantee of their efficacy in the nose. The lungs — the site of severe symptoms — are much more accessible to the circulating antibodies than the nose or throat, making them easier to safeguard.

“Preventing severe disease is easiest, preventing mild disease is harder, and preventing all infections is the hardest,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona. “If it’s 95 percent effective at preventing symptomatic disease, it’s going to be something less than that in preventing all infections, for sure.”

Still, he and other experts said they were optimistic that the vaccines would suppress the virus enough even in the nose and throat to prevent immunized people from spreading it to others.

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“My feeling is that once you develop some form of immunity with the vaccine, your ability to get infected will also go down,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University. “Even if you’re infected, the level of virus that you replicate in your nose should be reduced.”

The vaccine trials have not produced data on how many vaccinated people were infected with the virus but did not have symptoms. Some hints are emerging, however.

AstraZeneca, which announced some of its trial results in November, said that volunteers had been testing themselves regularly for the virus, and that those results suggested that the vaccine might prevent some infections.

Pfizer will test a subset of its trial participants for antibodies against a viral protein called N. Because the vaccines have nothing to do with this protein, N antibodies would reveal whether the volunteers had become infected with the virus after immunization, said Jerica Pitts, a spokeswoman for the company.

Moderna also plans to analyze blood from all its participants and test for N antibodies. “It will take several weeks before we can expect to see those results,” said Colleen Hussey, a spokeswoman for Moderna.

The trials have so far analyzed only blood, but testing for antibodies in mucosa would confirm that the antibodies can travel to the nose and mouth. Dr. Tal’s team is planning to analyze matched blood and saliva samples from volunteers in the Johnson & Johnson trial to see how the two antibody levels compare.

In the meantime, Dr. Bhattacharya said, he was encouraged by recent work showing that people who received an intramuscular flu vaccine had abundant antibodies in the nose. And a study of Covid-19 patients found that antibody levels in saliva and blood were closely matched — suggesting that a strong immune response in the blood would also protect mucosal tissues.

Only people who have virus teeming in their nose and throat would be expected to transmit the virus, and the lack of symptoms in the immunized people who became infected suggests that the vaccine may have kept the virus levels in check.

But some studies have suggested that even people with no symptoms can have high amounts of coronavirus in their nose, noted Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, who represents the American Academy of Pediatrics at meetings of the federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The first person confirmed to be reinfected with the coronavirus, a 33-year-old man in Hong Kong, also did not have symptoms, but harbored enough virus to infect others.

Vaccinated people who have a high viral load but don’t have symptoms “would actually be, in some ways, even worse spreaders because they may be under a false sense of security,” Dr. Maldonado said.

Dr. Tal said she was concerned by monkey studies showing that some vaccinated animals did not get ill, but still had virus in their nose.

But those monkeys were intentionally exposed to massive amounts of virus and still had less virus than unvaccinated animals, said John Moore, a virologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York.

“The more you reduce viral load, the less likely you are to be transmissible,” Dr. Moore said. But “all of these are things where data trumps theory, and we need the data.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html?surface=home-discovery-vi-prg&fellback=false&req_id=589481686&algo=identity&variant=no-exp&imp_id=406916803

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

UOJ, א פריילעכן, the Sages tell us that someone going to perform a Mitzva cannot be harmed, moreover, the holy Baal Shem Tov said that a single dip in a Mikveh cannot hurt! So how come Mikvah accident has claimed the life of a 14-year-old Monsey boy?

More strange things happening in the world said...

HONEST ABE didn’t show that ‘BLACK LIVES MATTERED TO HIM’ and got REMOVED!

Anonymous said...

Rav Kamenetsky: My Signature On Anti-Covid Vaccine Propaganda is a Forgery!

Anonymous said...

Got vaccinated? No shidduch for you, period!!!

UOJ accused of kefira for saying Fressers should want to live said...

https://www.scribd.com/document/488363735/Clayton-Associates-v-Multiple-Parties

Paul Mendlowitz said...

א פריילעכן,

I posted R' Moshe's psak on vaccinations on December 4, knowing the anti-vaxx cockroaches would come out of their dumpsters!

http://theunorthodoxjew.blogspot.com/2020/12/halakhic-attitudes-toward-immunization.html

Drexel Politburo said...

@ 3:45 pm

If these shoytim are so worried about future shidduchim, what about all the covid kids who had vascular damage to their organs?

Mistake said...

https://matzav.com/agudath-israel-joins-in-friend-of-the-court-brief%ef%bb%bf-defending-religious-freedom/

Must be a typo.

How is it possible that the Agudah Fressers intervened in a court case where the target is NOT Cuomo and there are no personal insults being hurled in childish fashion?

Yankel Litzman said...

Top health officials held a meeting with leading rabbis in Bnei Brak to convince them to publicly back the national coronavirus vaccination program, but failed to get the support they wanted, which would have countered community reluctance to get the shots.

Israel is gearing up a mass vaccination program next week, but officials are concerned of public hesitance to be immunized.

Polls show 50-75% of Israelis are leery of the vaccine, of fears the rush to produce an inoculation may compromise safety.

The issue's particularly sensitive in the Haredi community, where rabbis govern public attitudes. Adding to the problem's been the recent appearance in Haredi areas of posters urging against the vaccine. An initial virus outbreak earlier this year hit the community — especially Bnei Brak — hard after top rabbis advised against adopting Health Ministry orders aimed at curbing virus spread but disrupt Haredi community life. Pushback up to 50% of doctors have said they do not intend to get the vaccine, a figure that Levy rejected as being based on initial responses by medical staff before they had seen the full data from trials.

Silman told officials rabbis prefer to wait 3 weeks to sit out the 1st round of vaccines.

Ash noted while a delay of 3 weeks won’t make a significant differece to the vaccination program, in the meantime there are those who'll become infected & possibly die.

“You need to take that into account,” Ash warned.

Israel is taking delivery of millions of vaccines, beginning with the Pfizer inoculation, which's approved in the US by the FDA.

The Health Ministry on Monday told HMOs that Israel’s COVID vaccination drive will kick off next week, with the general public to begin receiving vaccinations on Dec 23.

The planned rollout of the vaccine comes as Israel grapples with rising infection & passed the grim milestone of 3,000 deaths Monday.

According to the latest figures, there are 18,651 active virus patients in the country. Since the start of the pandemic earlier this year there've been 360,297 cases diagnosed in the country.