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Yup. I went there too. My pre-1A Rebbe, Rabbi K, had three sticks of various length and a wooden ruler in his desk. It didn't take much to get hit by them.
Please people, I beg u if u have anything on A.M. Leizerowitz of ger that would coroborate the 3 boys currently airing the molestation he submitted them to post them now. I know ger is watching this very closely and are deciding if they should continue the cover up. Let not 1 more soul suffer a lifetime at the hands of this monster, if indeed it is true. I asked around the last week and it appears he did do what was alleged.
To the person subjected to abuse to protect his brother: My dear fellow Jew, my brother - we hear you and we are here for you. There are answers for you and your brother. You are not alone. All communication will be held in confidence. Please email:
bishvili@gmail.com
We just had a big forum in the White Shul about how to avoid and deal with at risk behavior among our kids.David Mandel of Ohel,Richard Altabe, Rabbi Dovid Weinberger and several professionals made presentations.
Guess what.Not a single MENAHEL from our community showed up.
Has anyone read the crap Rabbi Ginzburg wrote in the 5 Towns Jewish Times this week? Basically saying that it's all loshon hora? Typical !! Thank to phonies like Ginzburg more children will be molested or G-d knows what?!?!?!?
To the poor soul halfway around the world (England I presume?) whose father has abused him since he was 10, please gather the courage to contact the authorities to speak up. There are people who can help you, but you must break free. The animals will not harm you. THeir threats are meaningless. Once you ealize this, you will earn your freedom and begin to mend and live life again.
Please contact someone who can help you.
To be honest, some of these horror stories are very difficult to believe. But it's out there.
Rod Serling, Twilight Zone. Is this really going on in our community, by us to us?
BTW, in a side note; read Nathaniel Popper's article on Rubashkin's Agri-Processors plant in Pottsville, IA in this weeks Forward. Sequel to the PETA movie of 2004.
Who is kolko's lawyer?
Is it true that Ben Brafman will be defending him?
While I have heard such rumors, they have not been confirmed with anything substantial...
Does anybody know anything???
UOJ?
UOJ:
have you personally ever been sexually abused by Kolko???
If yes, are you pressing charges?
To the crazy bastards using the words "chilul Hashem, Lashon hara, mesira as it refers to us "not" having this dialogue:
1-NO COMMENTS WILL BE POSTED USING THOSE WORDS IN THAT CONTEXT
2-YOU WILL BE BANNED FROM THIS SITE FOREVER,YOU ARE DEMENTED.
3- IF YOUR CHILD WOULD HAVE BEEN GANG-RAPED BY THE SYSTEM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER IT MESIRA TO GO TO THE POLICE, LASHON HARA TO TELL SOMEONE, A CHILLUL HASHEM TO SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS?
YOU ARE SICKOS, GET THE HELL OFF THIS SITE!
UOJ,
I didn't use the words "chilul Hashem, Lashon hara or mesira," yet you did not approve my most recent entry. What's the deal, big man?
To anonymous;
If you're really SO concerned about someone doing teshuva, I reckon the Yudi Kolko/Lipa Margulis sex-scandal should top your list. There is something called priority, a system where the more important issue at hand should be given the most attention. Apparently, your priorities are centered on the wrong picture. You love to use the "religious defense" but it holds no water. Need I remind you that the abuser in this case (yudi kolko) is a so called religious "orthodox Rabbi". Was his so called status as Rabbi, suddenly have the power to shield him from molesting young boys at Yeshiva Torah Temima??? Does it foolishly mean, that because the accused happens to be a "Rabbi" he gets a free pass to act lewdly to his students without so much as a whimper, protest, or an investigation into the allegations? The Catholic Church was not immune to the interrogation and removal of its pedophile priests, and so should our "Rabbi's" who prey on children, not be immune from the hands of the law?
So which is more of a priority for you "anonymous"? Someone who does not "keeps shabbos" or a "Rabbi" molesting young boys without ever being stopped? (heck! unchecked the molester may live doing it until the day he dies, which could be well into the next generation and after far too many victims).
Which is worse "anonymous"? Someone who wrote "baseless motzi shem ra against the gedolai hador" as you put it, or a Rabbi that would STILL be molesting boys at Yeshiva Torah Temima, had it not been for the courage and bravery of the victims able to speak about the sexual abuse they endured?
As far as your very "righteous" ways, where you state, ( "when you beg for mechila from each of these gedolim, then you will perhaps have more credibility than Korach"), I find that to be very ironic. The people that need to start doing real Tshuva yesterday, are still not held accountable to their heinous and ugly crimes against children. People in a position of power, especially when dealing with kids, have an added obligation to keep our kids safe. Safe means, not having a "rabbi" who molests children around our kids period. No ifs, ands, or butt's about it. They also have a moral obligation at the very least of looking into the allegations and not simply dismissing them with a snap of the finger, like was done by Yeshiva Torah Temima and Yeshiva of Brooklyn, where bosses (roshei yeshiva FYI) were in a position to fire the offenders long ago, and did not.
As far as Korach is concerned, he would be regarded as a saint, would he be living in out times. Yes, he was punished by the earth swallowing him up, but he was on a much higher level than probably most people in our days will ever achieve, therefore, he was held to a higher standard than most. At least Korach's sin was not molesting kids, a crime that is considered "life threatening" for the victims, and like the Torah tells us, one who saves one life, it is considered as if he had saved the world. Obviously saving a person's life (even one life) takes precedence over any one of your pointless statements, which seek to divert the real issue at hand rather than focusing on it, and that is very unfortunate on your part!
I'm feeling a little better, thanks!
Case Study,
I gave you one bite at the apple, clean up your study a bit and come on back.
Hey -- just got off (the phone) with Skilling, Lay and Ryan K. and, despite their names, they all unequivocally stated:
(1) “I WAS NEVER TOUCHED BY KOLKO, FONDLED BY KOLKO, LICKED BY KOLKO, SQUEEZED BY KOLKO, RUBBED BY KOLKO, PENETRATED BY KOLKO, OILED ON BY KOLKO, MASSAGED BY KOLKO, RIDDEN BY KOLKO, WHIPPED BY KOLKO, TIED BY KOLKO, FINGERED BY KOLKO, GRINDED BY KOLKO, PEED ON BY KOLKO, DEFECATED ON BY KOLKO OR EJACULATED ON BY KOLKO”
(2) “I NEVER WITNESSED ANYONE TOUCHED BY KOLKO, FONDLED BY KOLKO, LICKED BY KOLKO, SQUEEZED BY KOLKO, RUBBED BY KOLKO, PENETRATED BY KOLKO, OILED ON BY KOLKO, MASSAGED BY KOLKO, RIDDEN BY KOLKO, WHIPPED BY KOLKO, TIED BY KOLKO, FINGERED BY KOLKO, GRINDED BY KOLKO, PEED ON BY KOLKO, DEFECATED ON BY KOLKO OR EJACULATED ON BY KOLKO”
(3) “I NEVER WITNESSED KOLKO TOUCHED BY KOLKO, KOLKO FONDLED BY KOLKO, KOLKO LICKED BY KOLKO, KOLKO SQUEEZED BY KOLKO, KOLKO RUBBED BY KOLKO, KOLKO PENETRATED BY KOLKO, KOLKO OILED ON BY KOLKO, KOLKO MASSAGED BY KOLKO, KOLKO RIDDEN BY KOLKO, KOLKO WHIPPED BY KOLKO, KOLKO TIED BY KOLKO, KOLKO FINGERED BY KOLKO, KOLKO GRINDED BY KOLKO, KOLKO PEED ON BY KOLKO, KOLKO DEFECATED ON BY KOLKO OR KOLKO EJACULATED ON BY KOLKO”
Go figure. I’m as surprised as you are. Facts are facts, my friends.
I’m now trying to get hold of Ratzinger, MJ (not #23), OJ, Jayson Blair and Judith Miller, but I suspect OUJ and the boys have already poisoned them. I’ll keep you guys updated (along with a periodic update on the short-list of my next witch-hunt phone calls). The hunt continues (are you monitoring this, FOX?)…
If even ONE of these guys has dirt on Kolko, I’m calling JC (not UOJ’s God; rather, the one who’s up there exonerating the real JC before the real Almighty). He can beat BB without a pulse.
Finally, anyone know any Gross People? I need to ask one why no one has responded to the cries from the camp-boy in the baseball woods. Regrettably, even if I find one, he’ll probably turn out to be one of those Agreeable, But Missed The Point People. Smile, Boog.
Fair enough, UOJ. Thanks for the response.
You mean the inappropriate stuff, not the substance, right? I'm trying to make a point, as you know. And that point can only be made by using some moderately off-color innuendo. Are you frumming out on me, Un? Or are you simply laying the groundwork for a new blog called "orthodox jew" once the Margo-Mensa hack all the derivatives of your original blog name?
Case,
"Moderate" is the operative word.
The world is watching; and we all have a job to finish.
May 24, 2006
" . . . YIDI KOLKO a/k/a YEHUDA KOLKO played together with ISRAEL BELSKY. Israel Belsky of Torah Vodaath is the "Rabbi" of Camp Agudah and since 1970 was intimately apprised of all the sexcapades and pedophile acts at that Camp and elsewhere. According to his victims at the camp,during that time, Yisroel Belsky enjoyed listening to them complain of how they were actually molested by his close friend the pedophile Yidi Kolko. Belsky would do NOTHING to stop Yidi Kolko. Is Belsky any better than Kolko? I loudly say certainly not. Shame on them both!!! Shame on Camp Agudah!!! It was only after Yidi Kolko realized that he needed more sexual control that he opened up his own CAMP MENUVAL for boys, together with Shlomie Klein."
the above is amazing to me - i haven't thought of my experiences with kolko (and others) and mir yeshivah and camp agudah for the last nearly 40 years - i accidentally, a few days ago discovered all this when i went on UOJ's blog to see if he had anything to say about "rabbi" m gafni who's just fled israel to the US to escape many sex abuse charges (and his case parallels the same cover-up patterns as were at work with kolko - go to www.theawarenesscenter.com if you wanna get some real info of sex abuse of ortho jewish children)
by sheer coincidence (min ha'shamayim?), i came upon this ongoing (since Jan. 2006?) story about kolko and just now was shocked to see crazy? stupid? willfully blind? people STILL challenging the veracity of the story of kolko being a sexual predator !?!?
and people, despite being given the name of one of the plaintiffs who had the strength to reveal his identity (Fraumowitz), still are asking where the real live witnesses/complainants are
well, i never reported kolko and he wasn't yet a rabbi but, when i was 13 and 14 and he was 20-22, i was "molested" by him - anyone who wants more info than what i repeat below can contact me at my email that i also leave below - i did contact lawyer Herman but since my experience wasn't at torah t'mima and i never reported it, it's unlikely that anything can come of my experience with kolko -
I'm now a gay man who comes from a frum ortho jewish family and went to Mir yeshiva when yudi kolko was the dorm counselor
numerous times he took me out of the dorm room in my freshman year (1967-68, 9th grade) at night after lights out if he caught me awake and talking to others in the room (at the time, in the mir dorm, there were like 8 bucherim to a room with 4 bunkbeds) and brought me to his private room and would rub his erect penis (through his pants) against my crotch (through my pajamas)
I'm not sure about the effects on me - (i do know that i have never told anyone this story till i just read about it a few days ago and for the first time in nearly 40 years, i shared the experience and incidents with a few people close to me while i started remembering in amazing detail the dorm rooms and floor layouts and details of mir all that time ago) but it wasn't fun and i convinced my parents to let me share a two bedroom apartment (in some frum family's basement) with 3 other guys who also didn't wanna stay in the dorms (which were pretty gross and smelly anyway) the following year
i also went the summer to camp agudah where yuddi (still not yet a rabbi) pushed himself on me and at least, one other but i was by then independent and strong enough (b"H) to be able to keep him from too badly coming onto me - he then just treated me very nastily with the little authority he had
but i had a great rebbi there (also from mir) and was able to keep a comfortable distance from kolko
i am perfectly willing to give my name, etc. to anyone who needs to verify who i am, i.e., i'm not hiding behind any anonymity for those who refuse to believe the anonymous people with similar and usually, MUCH MUCH worse experiences than my own
i can be reached at NYCatNYC@aol.com
Don't be so foolish to not understand that what you are hearing is just a fraction of what really happened to unknowable numbers of your boys, i.e., your community, your kin, your family, - for every one that had the courage to speak out, who knows how many more were successfully silenced and/or just naturally frightened and ashamed and stayed silent
i also want to add that though I've often found UOJ to be smug and wrongheaded about lots of stuff (especially what i consider his ill-informed opinions on gay jews and frum gay jews), he should be praised and applauded for raising this real and serious issue and fighting for the many already harmed and protecting those who would otherwise be vulnerable to predators such as kolko
for this, kohle ha'kavode
On Septpember 24, 2003, Torah U'Mesorah, The National Society for Hebrew Day Schools, the umbrella organization for more than 700 yeshivas and day schools in the United States and Canada, that teach Torah and general studies to more than 200,000 Jewish children, sent out a confidential 3-page document regarding child sex abuse to all of their member schools. Relevant excerpts appear below:
"At recent meetings of the Rabbinical Board of Torah Umesorah, attended by Rav Dovid Feinstein, Rav Yitzchok Feigelstock, Rav Aharon Feldman, Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky, Rav Aryeh Malkiel Kotler, Rav Avrohom Chaim Levin, Rav Yaakov Perlow and Rav Aaron Schechter, shlita, the following statement concerning a painful issue was issued:
We address ourselves to the problem of child molestation in our community. A small number of individuals have caused untold pain to many children, primarily varying in age from three to fourteen. In addition to the sins which they have committed, they have created painful memories in the minds of their victims, memories which can have a devastating lifetime impact.
It is incumbent upon everyone to use every means to stop these violations of children, including, at times, exposing the identities of the abusers and even their incarceration....."
Rabbi Elyashiv Comments.....
A ruling by Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv appears in Yeshurun, a compendium of articles on Halacha, in which the rabbi says it is permissible, in certain cases, to hand over a child abuser to the American police. Elyashiv, considered the most important interpreter of Halacha by Ashkenazi Haredim, said that it was permitted to inform the government in cases in which, "It is clear that he has committed a foul deed, and that this [informing] constitutes a sort of repair of the world." Elyashiv adds another condition, according to which the situation must be that, "Someone is abusing a boy or girl such that we are unable to stop him from continuing his evil actions."
uoj, i think with your new toughened security here the main thing that i think has been happening is that you are withholding comments that don't agree with you. (or that make fun of boooog)
This is the kind of thing the Neviim warned us about over and over - corruption. The tanakh mentions most mitzvot 2 or three times. Stamping out corruption is mentioned hundreds of times. Why? It is always a problem and hard to correct and we tend to ignore it.
WAKE UP EVERYBODY!
-armyofone
To case study - it was good for a laugh. Once. The follow up comments were even funnier. Let it go.
And nothing will compare to the SY parodies. Ever.
I wasn't there there the same year as the attempted rape but I heard about it. I do know about another story in the so-called yeshiva. There was a real sadist physical abuser who also had a wealthy father paying to keep him there. The worst abuse I remember him doing was putting acid in a young kid's eyes. The poor kid was betzaar gadol from this assault and had to run in the mikva with his clothes on to flush out his eyes.
The abuser did all kinds of terrible things that were ok with the corrupt rabbis as long as the father kept sending checks.
The worst non-abuse thing this abuser did was he stole a telephone calling card from one bochur and then a regular credit card from another bochur. He would go in the conference room during seder time and call some 1-900 sex line. He would turn red while he was feeling himself up talking to these zonas. People could see his face from windows inside the beis medrash. When you asked him what was wrong, he said his sister is having tzores. This went on for a very long time until someone pressed automatic redial.
3 cheers for UOJ allowing different opinions to enter a debate while he banishes the dishonest morons who scream bloody murder on behalf of the Margo Mafia.
Boog attacked the wrong Rubashkin. Moishe is my fraudster politician brother from Crown Hts.
Hey Boog, Mr. big tough guy. Come out to Iowa and I'll bop you one with an Aaron's Best salami.
Kolko deletion debate at Wikipedia.
Ask them NOT to delete. Kolko-Margo cronies have made delete requests in droves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yehuda_Kolko
Delete Not worthy of an encyclopedia entry. Yossiea 13:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I second User:Yossiea's nomination for the following reasons: (1) Kolko is presently being sued [1] making this a very dangerous and delicate subject for Wikipedia and (2) the article is clearly a POV attempt to add fuel to the legal issues about Kolko and (3) it therefore runs headlong into violating two crucial Wikipedia policies stated in: (a) Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons ("Well-founded complaints about biographical articles from their subjects arrive daily in the form of e-mails to the Wikipedia contact address, phone calls to the Foundation headquarters and to Jimbo Wales, and via postal mail. These people are justifiably upset when they find inaccurate or distorted articles, and the successful resolution of such complaints is a touchy matter requiring ongoing involvement of OTRS volunteers and paid staff" ETC), and also (b) legal concerns and the potential violation of Wikipedia:Libel ("For this reason, all contributors should recognize that it is their responsibility to ensure that material posted on Wikipedia is not defamatory." ETC) (4) Finally, Kolko is not a prominent rabbi. IZAK 09:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
This seems to be the epitome of an entry that doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Mississippifred 9:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete nn.--Jusjih 13:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete for above reasons. IZAK 09:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete - If (still unproven) criminal and civil allegations against him are his only "claim" to noteworthiness, then there is no reason to keep this article. --Leifern 10:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Bring up to appropriate standard or Delete. The concept of such an article is reasonable. This is, of course, what Wikipedia is about, getting any and all information on topics and making them accessable to the public, albiet in a proper standard. If we do not have a proper page, anyone interested will have to inquire into court documents. Evolver of Borg 10:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete as above. Danny 10:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete per above.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 11:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete per all above. Pecher Talk 14:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete per IZAK's explanation. Avi 15:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete per IZAK and Leifern. --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 16:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete. Since when does an encyclopedia have articles on every suspected molester? Since when do we consider blog entries reliable sources? Totally agree that this is entry is totally unsuitable. JFW | T@lk 17:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete as per IZAK and JFW, this is not worthy for an encyclopedia. --Shlomke 18:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Keep notable pedophile rabbi. 129.10.244.136 20:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Strong Delete per Leifern and IZAK, particularly due to the WP:Libel issue. There is no indication that the case has even gone to trial yet, let alone reached a verdict. A mere "allegation" or "civil lawsuit" against a person is completely NN (unless the person is already notable, and even then it's questionable.) The only possible notability at this point is that he is an "Orthodox Jewish rabbi", making this a Man-Bites-Dog story. The article itself alludes to its NN, by acknowledging that the "impact [of the allegations] remains unclear." Bottom line: Delete now and revisit the issue once the criminal/civil cases are concluded and the societal impact becomes clear. --Nmagedman 11:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.250.4.151 (talk • contribs) May 25, 2006.
Delete although mainly because notoriety and notability aren't the same thing. And as the notoriety is based on unproved allegations, it's got to go.Ac@osr 21:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yehuda_Kolko"
For the past 40 years they've been saying all kinds of terrible stuff about Kolko and Margo. It kind of makes one wonder why they say it on them but they don't say it on you and me.
An email I received last night.
I was at a kiddush on Shabbos and waited until the end to hear the thoughts of a rosh yeshiva that was there. There were about 5 people left who he figured would not say this over in his name.
He said that kamma things have been said about Margo, but one thing they never said is that he's stupid. Zet men yetzt that he's also stupid.
He said that of course ANY kind of contact that Kolko might have had for tayva is ossur altz lo sikrevu, but even if not, the original beis din should have removed Kolko because there is a fifth chelek of Shulchan Aruch called Common Sense.
He said that a molester has a din rodef so use your imagination what you're allowed to do to him. Someone asked him if you don't have to go to beis din altz avid inish dina le'nafshei. He replied yes.
He says there is much kefira, nevolo, loshon hora and motzee shem ra on the blogs, but that the stuff about Kolko and Margo is ok to be mefarsem.
He thinks that wether or not Tora Temima is going to close, there will still be some Hungarians who are interested in enrolling their kid in next year's kindergarten class.
He says that if UOJ is in fact the prime suspect Ben Hirsch, he believes that Hirsch likes him and has therefore not attacked him along with other roshei yeshiva and rabbonim.
Apart from the rosh yeshiva, I noticed comments on the blog about R' Avrom "groyse payos" Fruchthandler. I have independent confirmation from a reliable source outside the blog that the comment is true. R' Avrom is quoted as saying that Margo is a moron for letting his pride destroy himself.
TO the sixteen year old in another country:
PLEASE bite one of your attackers and you know where I am talking about. If you go to the authorities or even rabbonum and tell him that Chaim Yankel has been molesting me and to prove it I bit him all they have to do is show up at the mikvah to corroborateyour story. Or the police will "thoroughly" investigate and your charges will be proven.
I know this sounds extreme but it will work.
I just said a kapitel Tehillim for the abused 16 year old.
Young man, can you at least tell us what country / region you are in?
There ARE people who can help you. If you are in England as someone has suggested, there are rabbonim in both London and Manchester who have dealt with abusers in the past. And Scotland Yard or Special Branch must have a sex crimes unit.
Hashem Yisborach will hear your cries and send people to help.
Hello, Shocked to the Core. You're on the right track. If people like you, me, and others get involved, we can change things. The current situation is dysfunctional. Nature abhors a vacuum, and UOJ has performed a great mitzvah - the mitzvah of saving a life. We parents need to get involved. Maybe there will be a yeshiva parents association. We have to try.
can you open another thread for this discussion. There are too many postings and computer won't allow me to read them.
Not even ONE MENAHEL attended???!!!
Avrohom Avinu pleaded with Hakodesh Borechu; "Uli Yesh?" to the point where even if there was not even one Bosur V'Dom worthy to save the city, Hashem's presence would have been sufficient. Alas, even the Schechina was absent and the city was destroyed.
Is that what Chas Ve'shalom we have here? Not even one Menahel to step forward?
A veritable Ihr Hanidachas. Not even one menahel to step forward to hear from experienced professionals in the field on implementing measures to protect our tyreh kinderlech.
Woe is us.
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2006/05/rabbi-kenneth-hains-part-in-protecting.html
Ben Brafman's rov allegedly protecting a sex offender
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2006/05/jewish-survivors-of-baltimore-maryland.html
Anonymous said...
Let's talk about Heinemann and Hopfer. I know for a fact that they have heard of at least two allegations against Eisgrau first hand, and they have heard from another Rabbi in Balto about AT LEAST 3 other allegations that he has personal knowledge of. Of course they have discredited EVERYONE who dares to say anything against Eisgrau including the Rabbi who has on numerous occasions tried to get them to deal with this. It is all the usual crap. Eisgrau's accusers are either "disturbed" have a "vendetta" against someone, or the whole community, or are otherwise "crazy" and "not frum." How could they let a man with these kinds of allegations against him continue to have access to children? Why don't they have him evaluated by professionals who evaluate offenders instead of frum community psychologists who know Eisgrau and are just as invested in protecting the image of the community as they are? Are they waiting for the whole thing to blow up in thier shameful ignorant faces like the Lanner and Kolko cases? How can these Rabbis be stopped? The parent's in the school go to Heinemann and Hopfer when they hear of the "rumers" and are told that Eigrau was investigated and cleared. If you speak to the investigator he will tell you that the charges were dropped for "lack of sufficent evidence." These cases are very hard to prove especialy when victims are afraid to speak out. There is often lack of sufficient evidence to prosecute and it doesn't mean Eisgrau is safe to be around kids.
Orthorev,
I share your anger. The world is watching; we must use caution with certain references to times past.
I'm not one for giving mussar, I'm outraged!
Tone it down a wee bit, eliminate certain passages and hot buttons; I'll be happy to post your comments.
Best..
UOJ
Statement on Sexual Abuse of Children - by Rabbi Zev M. Shandalov
The following statement was posted by Rabbi Zev M. Shandalov in the networking group sponsored by The Awareness Center for rabbis. Rabbi Shandalov gave The Awareness Center, Inc. permission to make the following statement public.
Over the past few days, there have been a number of items that have been printed in the mainstream press and in the "Jewish" press regarding stories of sexual abuse of children and alleged cover-up of said abuse and the perpetrators. The purpose of this email is to address this situation.
Abuse: I am not going to discuss any of the allegations in the articles or those that are floating around on the Internet. I do wish though to comment in general terms.
ANY abuse perpetrated against a child no matter how "minor" or seemingly "insignificant" can be damaging for life for the child; is illegal; is assur (prohibited by Torah law) and can potentially be actionable in a court of law. In addition, anyone seeking to protect the abuser, including but not limited to rabbis, professionals, community leaders, institutions, etc. are themselves culpable in the crimes that the alleged perpetrator commits after discovering the crimes and seeking to cover them up. The covering up of such offenses not only is in itself a Chillul Hashem (a profanation of the name of Hashem) but also adds to the abuse of the victims after the fact. Delivering information to the police in order to remove the offender from the streets and to protect further abuse is a Mitzva incumbent upon all who have knowledge of abuse. Additionally, the Mitzvah of "Al ta'amod al dam re'acha" (One may not stand idly by while another is being injured) is found in the Torah to make it everyone's responsibility to help another in jeopardy.
I hope that this has helped to clarify a very disturbing issue. WE MAY NOT REMAIN SILENT WHEN ANYONE IS BEING ABUSED AND CERTAINLY NOT WHEN THE PERSON BEING ABUSED IS A CHILD!
Rabbi Zev M. Shandalov
Cong Kehilath Jacob Beth Samuel (KJBS)
Chicago, IL
I know all about that sadist abuser bullvan. He was a beis midrash bochur who was a worthless lummox who didn't learn a word. He would terrorize the high school kids at night in the dorm. The 14 year old kid that ran in the mikkie with his clothes on didn't have a cent to his name which is why the rosh "yeshiva" didn't care. The monster didn't just put the acid in his eyes, he also pried open his jaws to pour some down his throat, so the victim also had to swallow some of that gross mikva water. I think the criminal's father was a caterer living in Flatbush or something.
The second wife of the St Louie rosh yeshiva (I think he has hetter meah rabbonim) is the sister of a top official at Agudath Israel of America.
I just called them to ask about the abuse stories there. I was told that "no one at the Agudah has any recollection from that period in time."
Where have we heard that before ?
Margulies, you fat, pathetic pipsqueak.
UOJ has put an end to your child sex abuse racket. Soon you yourself will come crashing down for good.
UOJ, a man who keeps his word, has promised to hit you with everything he's got. I'm sure we will see next week, the beginning of the long, agonizing end that you deserve. You parasitic worm.
UOJ, you have a great handle on things, halevay I should live up to your toes, but may I suggest forming an ad hoc committee of baal habatim, perhaps more than one each designated to serve their respective communitites, whose mandate is to educate both children and mechanchim insofar as these critically important issues are concerned.
If we could organize both professionals and lay baal habatim, whose sole mandate is the best interests of our children insofar as protecting them from abuse is concerned, we could perhaps start correcting the terrible imbalance of power that we as parents suffer from the moment we enter our children into Pre 1A.
Rebbes, even those with the best of intentions, need to understand that abuse of any kind, even disciplinary abuse exercised in class will not be tolerated.
I once approached a rebbe about throwing something at a classmate of my son's. He told me that was how it was done in the alte heim. I told him that when he reached the level of chinuch achieved in the alte heim, he could use their methods. The rebbe shut his mouth and walked away.
The problem in the schools reflects a terrible lack of bein odom lchaveiro that is so pervasive today. Truth be told, all the daf yomi and learning, all the tefillos, all the tzedaka, all of which we are experiencing at the highest levels since kabolas hatorah, are meaningless in light of the grotesque state of affairs we find ourselves in when it comes to bein odom lchaveiro.
UOJ you are one of the good guys, chazak veamatz.
"I just called them to ask about the abuse stories there. I was told that "no one at the Agudah has any recollection from that period in time."
Where have we heard that before ?"
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Vintage Bill Clinton at his impeachment hearings:
"Ah don't recall".
UOJ;
Yo Da Man!!
Shabbat Shalom!
All these great ideas about reclaiming our yeshivos could hit a brick wall if we don't play things right. There are going to be more than a few holdouts who don't want to relinquish any control. Don't forget that many yeshivos are family owned enterprises who will resist any outside interference. Some of these are maintained as personal piggy banks so all the shnorrer relatives can line their pockets and actually enrich themselves.
Even when the Reichmanns declared bankruptcy and stopped supporting a number of yeshivos, those playing the role of manager were exceedingly difficult to pry away. One Menahel held off the parents for a very long time, refusing to open up the books that would prove what a fresser he had been with other people's money. After he ran out of excuses and was forced to open the books, he was history.
The parents have to band together and show these bimbos we really mean business.
Will you bunch of party poopers please stop lambasting the Agudah ?! What are we Khazars going to do if people lose interest in going to the Convention every year ?
Feh! There's no point point going to the Agudah COnvention anymore anyway. We used to go running there in droves like mindless lemmings to hear Reb Elya sound off with Vos Vet Zein Mit Der Kinder. But those days are over.
i was sexually abused by my family doctor in boro park. A certian "baal teshuva" Dr. Max B. i was wondering if anyone else had this experience.
Maxi Bulmash is a baal teshiva?
I think his office staff was a bunch of yeshiva rebbitzens.
Could u gove me some more details on Max Bulmas? I take my children to him but don't leave them alone with my boys because a friend once told me a very vague comment about him and he is always hugging and kissing them AND whispiring in the childs ears. Please give me some more info on him so I can make a informed decission. This is a very raw topic for me because I was sexualy abused by a chassidic mechanech & don't wish to repeat this on my children G-d forbid. I also don't trust my selfcontrol if I catch a predator in my hands.
Max Bulmash is THE pediatrician of Brooklyn - not only do u get the finest medical care- u also see a master diagnostician at work--
he does the exams and injections so quickly that the kids don't even realize they got their shots.
I've never felt more confident with a children's doctor
The letter by Yeshiva Torah Temima, which is is written in extremely vague form, is nothing short of insulting our intelligence. Does (rabbi) Lipa Margulis and Mr. Willy Weasner, really think we're that dumb? First off, the letter starts by assuring "as parents, with whom we maintain constant communication". What communication??? Oh, the letter explains to us. "guided by das torah, we chose not to respond in any form, shape, or manner to anonymous allegations that have been circulating". Stop right there! Please don't hold us in suspense, tell us the names of the das torah you were guided by, after all, if you trusted their word so much that you chose to ignore the allegations of sexual abuse against (Rabbi) Kolko, again and again and again, you must have felt very confident of the das torah you received, so why the hesitance in revealing their names? If it really is accurate that Das Torah, is the reason all these boys were molested, then why did Yeshiva Torah Temima not notify parents of this ruling well before sending this letter out, you mean to say all these years there was no notes sent to the parents, that so and so Rabbi said it was okay to keep our accused Child Molester, (Yudi Kolko), around? Why keep parents in the dark like that?
"This time, however, the yeshiva finds itself involved in a lawsuit". Oh, so because they find themselves in that position, they were forced to finally say something. (wished you would have been sued a long time ago Lipa, it would have saved a lot of boys from being abused. Don't worry though, this is only the beginning of lawsuits against you).
Other thoughts: What kind of "Torah Education" is the letter refferring to? A Sex Scandal? Coverup? threats to parents? threats to the victims? bullying? manipulating? allowing (rabbi) Yudi Kolko to molest children for over 3 decades?
OK, here is my response to the guy blasting Dr. Bulmash.
I read your own blog and the 60+ responses u had before u took them down. Suffice to say I take all sex abuse alegations super serious and have acted upon solid acusations too (ask the molesters I have helped run out of town!). However, the info u have provided is indicative of your misunderstanding the doctor. U yourself not once accused him of clearly deriving pleasure (masturbating, arousel, excitement, etc.) from his actions. Nor is their any evidence to date that he was into grooming long term.It is common knowledge that he has correctly identified MANY young adolescent boys with abnormalities in the private areas, thus saving them the agonies of tumors diagnosed too late to save one from death or medical castration. As well as warning countless parents of a son's varicocele - conditions which restrict proper bloodflow and body water drainage (hydrocele) from the reproductice-involved organs thus preventing many young adults from becoming forever sterile (unable to have proper intercourse and produce a child).
Knowing the doctor for almost 30 years and having been his patient all that time (pro bono for the times I couldn't afford health insurance) I believe he would be more than happy to meet u and allay your fears and misunderstandings. As an ultraorthodox man I understand how u felt as a preteen/teen being checked over and "fondled" like that, but a good doctor would subject u to the same. 2 specialists in manhattan did the same to me, likewise all MDs at the Methodist clinic even when I matured. Talk to knowledgable adults and perhaps lawyers and u will see your anguish is a result of ignorance at the time of these occurences. I KNOW, because I experienced this with the doctor as well and I know molestation from a mile away as I've been envolved in protection and defence of the sexualy abused. I wish I could somehow identify who u are so I could put your concerns to rest finaly, but this is how it works, everyone is annonymous.
Lastly, thanx for sharing your pain and giving me the oppurtunity to address u. And if u find that what I'm saying is correct I believe the doctor to be humble enough to accept your apology and be a great friend to u in the future. Of course, this was all written based on the info u related, other public testimony and my personal experiences with the doctor only and would not cover other instances which I am not aware of.
why do u have so much hate in you?
why do u dislike so much
y are u such a coward?
y do u hide behind an alias?
y dont u wait for bes din and courts to decide who is guilty?
who r u to bring "justice"?
what do u say to the thousands of talmidim who love rabbi kolko and believe that hes innocent?
what do u say to the thousands of manavu campers that have such amazing memories of rabbi kolko??
what do you say to the kids that have learned secular studies in temima and only have good to say?
what do u say to the people in rabbi kolko shul who love him and protect him?
what do u say about the people who have had buisness dealing with rabbi kolko and only have good to say?
what do you think about all the people that "rabbi kolko" has helped personally?
he has done so much good, who are you to come out of nowhere and destroy him?
if u think hes guilty go to court, go to besdin
do it quietly. if hes guilty bring him down...until then he is a respected member of out community who has done great for thousands of us....
IYH rabbi kolko will come out stronger than ever..and when he does i hope he brings down all the mamzarim who attempted to bring him down.
Last time I checked Kolko was hot footing it to Israel, u dope!
I'm glad this issue is finally being discussed. I know several people that were abused in chassidish and litvish yeshivas. Most were too afraid to tell, and the one that did was punished and derided. If every single person that was abused came forward, the numbers would unfortunately be staggering.
Dear Rabbeim,Laymen,Men & Women of all hashkafas(or haskafot) and communities,
We are witnessing a historical revolution in Jewish life, the likes of which have not been seen since Moshe Rabbeinu descended.
Pedophiles,ganovim,menuvalim,and all those criminals who would seek to harm ourselves or our children have been able to hide under the veil of our frum communities for far too long. With no threat to their livelihoods, their good names,or their authority, they have been able to operate with astonishing success and impunity.
Moreover, we have enabled them to continue their actions by dismissing incidents we hear about as "children's tales", ridiculing those accusers who have come forth, and, in perhaps the biggest perversion of halacha, inculcating a societal fear of speaking to others about these creatures of prey because "it's lashon harah"(The Chofetz Chaim Z"L is spinning in his grave!)
We have no Navi, we have no Bais Hamikdosh, we have no Sanhedrin,and we have no universally accepted and revered gadol hador.
But we DO have one of the most powerful tools in the world today, and it's sitting right in front of you at this very moment:
Your keyboard and mouse.
With these, you can join the World Wide Beis Din of Public Opinion, the single most powerful machine, especially for a frum person, in today's world.
Ever wonder why all of our yeshivos, mosdos, "gedolim", are SOOOOOOOO anti-internet?? Sure, there's pornography, and a whole host of vile, disgusting,and unwholesome things to be seen on the web - if you seek them. And you should NEVER,EVER let your kids go online unsupervised and without a good filter.
But last I checked, there was also an incredible amount of fantastic Jewish things on the internet. There are more Divrei Torah than you could read in a lifetime, on every conceivable subject!! There's zmanei t'filah and hadlaka for anywhere on the globe you may be, daily updated listings of Kosher restaurants and mikvaos around the world, Rabbeim who will answer shailos online, Jewish music and seforim that can be purchased, live views of the Kosel and other holy places to be seen, shul,school, and community bulletins and reminders, instant communication with your friends and relatives anytime, anyplace.
All the negativity of the "Gedolim", the Jewish Observer,Yated, Yeshivos - it just doesn't seem to make sense.(Torah U'mesorah is as confused as anyone - while maintaining it's own website, they say on their very own site, " We do not condone the internet" - go figure!)It just doesn't make sense.
Ah, but it does!!
Now, it all makes sense!!
You see,now, for the first time ever, they are culpable and they are vulnerable. Thanks to blogs such as this one,and input from all of you, there's no place left to hide! Yeshivos are VERRRRRRRRYY nervous about the internet - and with good reason. With a few simple strokes of the keys, you or I could destroy them. Instantly. Without even divulging your true name or identity! Just a single alegation of any misconduct, or one livid parent of an abused child whose ordeal is posted online, is enough to get law enforcement to launch a full investigation, and to shred the reputation of any institution. Nobody but kings and tyrants have ever wielded this kind of power. The World Wide Beis Din of Public Opinion works wonders! It is a formidable threat to every institution that still shrouds itself in secrecy,and they are completely defenseless against it.
I truly feel sad for all the pedophiles out there. After all, they did not choose to be this way, and they really, really cannot help themselves - anymore than you or I can stop breathing. They are certifiably deranged individuals. Having said that, if any of them touched my kids, I'd be sitting in jail right now doing forty years for murder in the 1st degree.
But the Rabbis who hide, employ , and defend these people are who I turn my anger to. There is no greater evil - and there is not a low enough level of Gehinnom for these people who betray our trust and endanger our children.
To you, UOJ, I say that if one child has been saved because of you, If only one Yeshiva begins to screen all their employees through an objective third party,or if only one more perpetrator is ever caught - you're efforts will have been worthwhile!! Just please have the right kavonah, and do mind your language, as challenging as that may be.
Perhaps it is time to look into ourselves and at our communities and see where we went wrong, when religious peoples do very irrelgious thinks
MAYBE THE REASON WHY MARGO IS HIDEING KOLKO IS BECAUSE HE HAS ISSUES TO? MAYBE THIS PROBLOM IS BIGGER THEN PEOPLE THINK. THERE MIGHT BE MORE RABBIS INVOLVED THEN WE KNOW OF. I PERSONALLY NEVER HAD ANY PROBS WITH THAT ASPECT BUT EVEN THEN THERE WERE RUMERS GOING AROUND ABOUT HIM. I HEARD FROM AN INSIDE SOURCE THAT MARGO TOLD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RABBIS THAT HE CANT PROMISE THEM JOBS FOR NEXT YEAR. WE SHOULD BE AWEARE THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE IN MARGOS NAME AND HE COULD SELL THEM AT ANY TIM. ITS OUR CHARITY MONEY !!
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