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Thursday, August 16, 2012

A Bystander’s Crime - Yes or No!

If someone is (for example) a witness to murder he could have prevented without harming himself, is he as guilty as the perpetrator? I know that is a rather simplistic situation, but I believe it is apropos to situations like the recent Penn State scandal. NAME AND LOCATION WITHHELD

If your question were simply “Is a bystander who knowingly allows harm to occur guilty of something?” the answer would be easy: Yes. But that’s not what you asked. You asked if that person is as guilty as the person who commits the act itself. In the Penn State situation, I think there’s a social pressure to argue that almost every adult involved is equally responsible. But that’s not really accurate; you can certainly view every adult in that scenario as guilty, but they’re all guilty of different things. Unless you view “guilt” as a blanket, uniform classification that applies to all involved parties in every situation, you have to assess every act individually. And that means the (very bad) act of not stopping something harmful is not commensurate with the (very, very bad) act of actively committing harm.

Let’s use your original hypothetical, but with a reversed outcome: Say an ostensibly sane friend tells you he’s going to murder his rival, but you stop him from doing so (you take away his weapon and convince him that it’s a bad idea). Clearly, you’ve done something good. You stopped something bad from happening, and you helped maintain the social order. Your friend, however, can’t argue that he did something good by not killing his enemy. He doesn’t get credit simply for not shooting someone. So while you both share a degree of accountability for this positive nonevent, your respective roles have different values. Your pre-emptive action matters more than his inaction.

A similar principle is at play when the inverse happens. Let’s say that same friend tells you his plan, and you choose to do nothing. You just sit there silently, staring ahead blankly. His murder proceeds as planned. Now, you’ve absolutely done something unethical here; you behaved cowardly and apathetically, and you might be considered an accessory to the crime. You share a measure of responsibility — but a fraction as much as the murderer. Your failure was tangential. If you were totally eliminated from the equation, the violent event would still happen as it did; if your friend were removed from the equation, there is no event at all. Actions have to matter more than mere knowledge.

Your allusion to what occurred at Penn State fits into this model of thinking, but with a few extra levels of complexity. Jerry Sandusky committed sexual acts against children, so his culpability is not unclear. But it can’t be easily argued that the acts would still have happened even if Joe Paterno had never existed. It’s possible that Sandusky was able to commit his crimes only because of the culture Paterno helped create, so his role in the debacle (and the culpability of the institution) is less straightforward. Anytime this type of question is examined outside a vacuum, it becomes highly situational and increasingly intricate (sometimes the person committing the wrong understands the true consequence less accurately then the informed bystander, which implicates the latter individual to a much deeper degree). But right now, we’re still in the vacuum: You’re asking if not stopping a horrible event is the same as actively causing a horrible event. And it’s not.

MORE:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/magazine/a-bystanders-crime.html?src=rechp

4 comments:

Kleinman and the Tonka do the honky tonk said...

Why would Ely Kleinman give over millions of dollars to build a new place for the Tonka rebbe of Flatbush (Isac Freedman) to a place that is so small and no one heard of it besides the few people who daven there? There has to be a big reason, and so far no one has seen the list of the 100 rabbonim who gave Kleinman's son Yosi the heter me'ah chamorim to marry his married girlfriend. UOJ has the list and the info, maybe he will publish it one day, before Kleinman thinks up more crazy stuff to do, like rent the White House for his grandkids barmitzvas.

Bungalow yenta said...

Does UOJ really have the list?

Pupa poopoo said...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/drug_cash_rap_vs_hasid_trio_hOWljk1vgsPvN8KF3Fxa7K#ixzz23j17q6A1

Three Hasidic Jews from Brooklyn were busted yesterday for allegedly laundering millions of dollars for an international drug ring that operates in Israel, England and the US.

The suspects collected drug cash in New York, Boston and Hartford on the orders of the gang’s Israeli leaders, then laundered it through a check-cashing business in Brooklyn, Manhattan federal prosecutors charged.

Samuel Ashkenazi, 43, allegedly served as the courier, with court papers saying he picked up “bulk currency” in amounts of up to $400,000.

The money was then counted, split up and distributed through The Money Spot in Brooklyn, which is owned by Samuel “Benzi” Goldberger, 34, Manhattan federal prosecutor Daniel Tehrani said in court.
The third defendant, Samuel Blau, 50, helped arrange a March pick-up of $300,000 from a Manhattan apartment, according to the men’s indictment.

Leib Tropper said...

What is the rationale for the rabbis to be mattir for Kleinman when the halacha is assur l'baal, assur l'boel?

There were conflicting rumors whether R' Reuvein Feinstein was signing? Any confirmation?

He should give me my $3 million back after he sided with Stefansky against me in the Kol Yaakov dispute.