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81 comments:
We missed you. Welcome back, don't go away, the klal needs you desperately.
What's up with that stupid fake letter from Rabbi Belsky? You're hurting your credibility.
welcome back commander in chief we need you we missed you you are one heck of a soldier lets continue this fight for our kids sakes
LEIZEROWITZ VICTIM FOREVER
here is a letter that was recently mailed to some in the ger community .........................
DEAR MESIVTAH PARENTS
IF YOU OR YOUR SON WAS MOLESTED OR IMPROPERLY TOUCHED BY THE MASHGIACH A.M. LEIZEROWITZ PLEASE CONTACT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING ATTORNEYS IMMEDIATELY
Herman &Mermelstein, P.A.
Jeffrey M. Herman, Esq.
18205 Biscayne Blvd..
Suite 2218
Miami, FL 33160
(305)931-2200
www.hermanlaw.com
OR
Law Offices of Eric H. Green and Associates
Manhatten Office
295 Madison Ave
New york, New york 10017-6304
Please contact us for a free initial consultation at:
(212)532-2450
(718)387-1200
(516)794-2750
Email:greenlegal@msn.com
YOU WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS IF THAT IS YOUR WISH , AS YOU CAN FILE CRIMINAL/CIVIL SUITES ANONYMOUSLY IN SUCH SENSITIVE CASES AS THESE
WE HAVE RECEIVED MANY PHONE CALLS AND E-MAILS FROM THE GER COMMUNITY AND WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE VICTIMS OUT THERE
What is the gist of the letter that was sent out to YTT parents?
How come Kolko wasn't arrested a second time?
I wasn't sure if you were the owner of the "Rabbi M S" Blog but, I know you never really "Retired" back at RH & were tirelessly working on behalf of the Klal. In a strange way, I thank R. Salomon for ticking you off enough, to come back with a vengeance. To echo previous posters, Klal Yisroel definitely does need you to keep this important issue in the forefront. Make your voice loud enough for ALL to hear & perhaps we may still yet see change in OUR lifetime. Hatzlocha Rabbah in all you do. Parents Thank You, Children Thank You, All decent Human Beings Thank You. Long live UOJ!
DO from ger mesivtah you might have gotten a pass from uoj on quitting you position in ger but you did not get one from me you will here from me very soon and very loud I DEMAND YOU QUIT TODAY
LEIZEROWITZ VICTIM FOREVER
On the RMS site, someone posted excerpts from the 'Charol from Hofstra' study. I think that it would work in your favor to publicize her findings, especially the ones quoted on the RMS site. The reason I think that is b/c she cites many many cases that reflect what we are going through. We are dealing with a case that 'slipped through the fingers' on purpose! And a lot of the cases that she mentions fall in that rubric. Of course our situation is unique and complicated for its own reasons. But some parts of it are endemic to this field. Many people are unwilling to hear your message b/c they think you are only out to shame others and achieve fame for yourself. You need to show them that what happened here is really par for the course in molestation cases and you are only trying to help clean it up.
UOJ didn't die, he just faded away temporarily.
Welcome back soldier. Welcome back friend.
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2007/01/moshe-rosenberg-rabbi-yosef-blau-jj.html
Someone who was in attendance, emailed this report from the Saturday night forum to a group of friends. I have deleted the private conversation this fellow had with Rabbi Blau, in case someone is upset it gets out. Parts of the lengthy email have also been truncated:
This motzaei Shabbos, there was a forum in the Eitz Chaim shul on yeshiva abuse cover ups that I attended. On the panel moderated by the mora d'asra R' Moshe Rosenberg, was R' Yosef Blau, Gil Student & The Forward's editor JJ Goldberg. It was a shame that Rabbi Rosenberg invited this Conservative, anti-Frum journalist to attend, who took advantage of the opportunity to bash Rubashkin and whip up the crowd into a laugh-at-Lakewood frenzy. (I'm no fan of Rubashkin, but this wasn't the time to focus on it) Goldberg said that the OU is extremely embarrassed about the Conservative coming out with the "Tzedek hechsher" to prevent abuse of employees at Rubashkin, and are being forced to come up with their own plan that incorporates the Conservative ideas. He said the OU denies it, but he has inside information about secret meetings. Goldberg, who has a surprising command of yeshivishe shprach, ridiculed the Lakewood roshei yeshiva who he says ... are now secretly instructing talmidim at BMG to not let outsiders know what they are thinking about goyim. Goldberg moralized that he is saving Klal Yisroel from corruption when he exposes wrongdoings. He thinks that an obscure sefer on goyim (that sold 45 copies) is just as bad as Pell grant fraud I guess. He let the crowd in on a detail never published before. When the Senate held a special hearing on Pell grant fraud, every single name on the list was a chassidishe or yeshivishe figure. Someone gave the list to the ADL, whose Abe Foxman called John McCain to complain that it looks like an anti-Semitic witch hunt and that neo-Nazis will have a field day with it. John McCain wrote back that he cannot help that only Yidden committed fraud, so the hearings will continue.
R' Yosef Blau said that since the Aguda or even the RCA has not done anything to track offenders with a registry, it is therefore mutter le'halocho to check the Awareness Center website to see who is accused of abuse. Repeating the psak of R' Hershel Schechter, he said that if you know for a fact that no one will do anything to stop an abuser, you are allowed to make a UOJ style attack on the internet.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, RAV BLAU SAID THAT PRESSURE FROM THE OYLAM IS WHAT EFFECTS THE BIGGEST CHANGE. IT FORCED CHANGE AT THE OU / NCSY WITH LANNER AND MOST RECENTLY, PRESSURE IS WHAT FORCED SHIA FISHMAN OUT OF TORA UMESORA. HE SAID THE YESHIVISHE VELT MUST PRESSURE THE AGUDA OTHERWISE THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING. RAV BLAU SAID THAT A VERY DEPRESSING SIGN THAT WILL HINDER PROGRESS IS THE PATHETIC PARENT BODY OF TORA TEMIMA. HE DOESN'T KNOW A SINGLE CASE OF PARENTS PULLING THEIR SONS OUT OF YTT, WHICH SENDS A SIGNAL THAT YOU CAN ABUSE CHILDREN WHICH MARGO OR ANYONE ELSE WILL TAKE AS THEIR QUEUE THAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. MOST MOLESTERS HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN PUBLICLY EXPOSED & WILL CONTINUE TO DESTROY NESHOMOS. (Editor's note: Eli Greenwald took his kids out of Torah Temimah. He arose to defend Kolko's victims which led Margulies, Rabbi Geldwerth & Rabbi Belsky to lead a campaign of intimidation & harassment against him.)
It's beyond me why Gil Student is repeatedly given the podium at events like he's some kind of expert, but he was busy telling the crowd about how talmidei yeshivos (he went on to list a number of yeshivos) are tummeling about what's on UOJ. He said wherever he goes in Brooklyn, everyone is talking about UOJ. He said that at the Tora Vodaas minyan in the East 30s, (Rav Sekula?) yelled at his mispallelim for reading the blog. After going on & on about how "obnoxious" UOJ is, he kept contradicting himself about how in his view, blogs are assur, yet a necessity. Gil said that he cannot personally fight for change because he has a bad reputation in the yeshivishe velt (for defending Slifkin, etc). He said his wife is "scared to death" that their children will one day be thrown out of yeshiva and that no one in yeshivish circles will do shidduchim with them. He said if that happens, he will just go back back to his modern orthodox roots in Teaneck, NJ. I confronted Gil Student afterwards and asked him if it's true that he is friends with Margo's hired hit man Tuvya Chaim Neuhoff. He admitted that they are friends. I asked how he can justify Neuhoff running an obscenity laced blog that attacks people trying to stop abuse. He gave me a wishy washy answer that Rav Belsky told him to do it and that Neuhoff also wanted to hear what R' Aron Schechter had to say but that R' Aron was "out of town". He said that after R' Aron reappeared on the scene, he told Neuhoff to cut it out. This is ridiculous because Neuhoff was blogging for months. I also asked Gil what he thinks of his buddy Neuhoff being on Margo's payroll. Gil said he has no first hand knowledge if that is the case & he plans on asking Neuhoff if it is true. Oh Pleeeeease .....
Oy vey !!!! This troublemaker UOJ is back in full form ??!!! I'd better call Leib Pinter to give him the heads up and hope he doesn't have a heart attack.
I knew something was amiss. We had the warmest December in history and figured we were due for a "climatic" correction, but this is the sum of all fears. UOJ must be looking for heads again. Who's next? Avi Shafran?
I'm staying glued to The Weather Channel !
Speaking of Leib Pinter, Mirrer Yeshiva seems to have gotten the message. The crook's name was removed from all their stationary before the recent dinner at the Brooklyn marriott.
Now the sleazebag will have to find another issue to make himself relevant. Are there any other sacrificial lambs like Slifkin out there that are ripe for being smeared? Or is there another mortgage company where Pinter can loot all the accounts?
He said that at the Tora Vodaas minyan in the East 30s, (Rav Sekula?) yelled at his mispallelim for reading the blog.
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It's Rabbi Schiffenbauer's shul. He happens to be on the YTT board.
Does anyone understand where Pinny Lipschitz gets off with that bleeding heart editorial alluding to Kolko? He basically said that blogging about him or getting him arrested amounts to Hamalbin pnay chavayro.
So Kolko who is considered a rotzayach in halacha shouldn't be shamed? If Lipschitz lived thousands of years ago, he would probably tell the Beis Din Hagadol to stop doing skeela in public because it's embarassing to the chayvei misa.
These spinmeisters who take their queues from Shafran, still haven't uttered one word of sympathy for the victims.
WELCOME BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Chofetz Chaim says that some genayvos are more chomur because they can never be paid back.
This is true about gezel shina of a single night. Can you imagine Margo's chelek, after he destroyed so many children's entire lives?
Welcome back!
He said that at the Tora Vodaas minyan in the East 30s, (Rav Sekula?) yelled at his mispallelim for reading the blog.
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It's Rabbi Schiffenbauer's shul. He happens to be on the YTT board.
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He also said that Kolko is innocent.
Isn't he some young shnook who's probably still in his 20s ?
That's sweet that he's on YTT's board. He probably didn't reveal either that his parents lived practically next door to Yudi Kolko for years on East 23rd near the corner of Ave L.
Shtiebelach are a cottage industry in the 30s. Anyone can open a minyan and get a crowd, including that Lubob down the street from him.
The current unraveling of Mordechai Tendler provides a glimpse of what's coming for Kolko & Margo. Tendler is losing one lawsuit after another and has judgements piling up against him. The money involved is peanuts compared to YTT, but the process has already begun, where because of the awards to plaintiffs, the courts will order a full accounting of every single asset for the recovery pool.
Margo can run but he can't hide. He was building a castle for his son at the corner of Ave O & E. 17. All of a sudden, construction is halted and it's put up for sale.
I'm preparing a dismemberment of another yeshiva. B'rov am hadras melech!
And Who Exactly is Schiffenbauer ? said...
Isn't he some young shnook who's probably still in his 20s ?
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I think he is 30+ years old.
Maybe Schiffenbauer will have the distinction of being the youngest guy ever on UOJ's shit list.
And what he and the other shloffy-kops on the board don't realize, is that they are game to be targeted for financial damages, just by allowing themselves to be named officers of YTT. Let's see how feisty he is when someone fills him in on this.
Oh, splendid UOJ ! We've been chalishing for another dismemberment ! I knew you wouldn't disappoint us !
At least it puts him on the map said...
Maybe Schiffenbauer will have the distinction of being the youngest guy ever on UOJ's shit list.
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Listen to his speech regarding Hats & Jackets:
http://www.khalbneitorah.com/800/index.htm
He says it's better to daven at home with a hat and jacket than in a shul minyan without one.
Is there an icon I can post that shows me sticking my tongue out at UOJ ?
Its really hard for me to believe that Rabbi Belsky really wrote that online letter. It does not make him look good. I'm guessing its a clever satire that someone put together as a joke.
Did Schiffenbauer say RECENTLY that Kolko is innocent? You always will have your Belskys, but since even Rabbi Geldwerth knows to shut his mouth now in public, I didn't think anyone could be that dumb.
Welcome back! I predicted you'd return by New Year's.
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I really missed all you guys, especially the old-timers like Boog & Gross!
Schifenbauer is a nice kid and happens to be quite a talmid chacham. But,who cares? I spoke to him last year when the letters were sent out by UOJ and asked him to help get Kolko out. He was useless vacillating back and forth. To hear now (if true) that he is actually defending Kolko is outrageous as I told him that I had spoke to quite a few victims. I am quite reliable as anyone will tell you.
Please remember that MArgo's ridiculous board of 3 that was set up to handle cases of abuse gives Schifenbauer, who is also the head of the Vaad Hahorim, the sole right to determine whether the case should be brought to the entire panel. It doesn't take a genius to figure that no cases will go forward unless Schifenbauer first gets the green light from Margo (yea, right!). The process is a farce.
I am calling on Schifenbauer to step down from his position at TT. You are better than the scum that you now represent. You are in way over your head. Big deal, you are building a career as a Rov. Does Hashem want you to build your career by trampling upon the underprivileged in our community?
When will these people realize that the sechar that will greet them in the next world as countless victims rise up to welcome them if they SPEAK OUT against this travesty is well-worth losing prestige and honor in this world heaped upon them by honorless people???
Or is MArgo's grip so tight. Believe me you don't want Margo greeting you at the entrance up above because it will only mean one thing - that you have arrived in hell!!!
Kolko and Geldwerth have been seen hanging out together in public.
Whatis with these wonderful representatives of Torah?
I am against molestation of any kind (except in the YTT boiler room)
Where will YTT get all their money to pay their lawyers in all the lawsuits?
How many underage victims are lined up?
Jagshemash ! If UOJ not successful to stop molesters, then more kiddies will be execute and Aron Twerski will make beautiful the glorious yeshiva of Margo.
UOJ:
I am ready to make some protests against Belsky at YTV and their dinner.
I want to do this in regard to the "p'sk" that the eshet ish can remarry without a get. I will need you to e-mail me with some more info and I will bli neder try to do it. I have people that will help me out.
israelappel@gmail.com
Exactly where have Kolko & Geldwerth been hanging out ?
FOR THE RECORD:
The gentleman sent around in an e-mail a number of things I said in a private conversation and remembered many of the details incorrectly. For example, the rabbi of the shul never (at least in my presence) mentioned anything about this blog. I heard speak (in public) about the negative nature of blogs in general. Also, the details about Chaim Neuhoff are all confused. Nor did I "admit" that I am friends with him as if it is some sort of crime or any secret. I also did not contradict myself about this blog or blogs in general. I both criticized and praised UOJ, I think even referring to him as a hero and someone who has saved children. My main point, and I don't know how this gentleman missed it, is that parents are obligated to demand accountability from their childrens' yeshivos.
I was told that the audio of the speeches is going to be put up on the shul's website.
As to why I spoke, I specifically did not present myself as an expert but as a parent. I was invited, so I went.
And if anyone is in touch with the gentleman who sent the e-mail, please tell him that I followed up on the matter we discussed and he is incorrect.
Does the chain of command with the Vaad Hahorim also mean that Willy Wiesner is a puppet?
That really irks me about Schiffenbauer. I wonder if that's another detail that Gil Student was aware of but keeps to himself when he makes it sound like everyone gangs up on UOJ.
Yaakov Applegrad made sure to nip anything in the bud before the Vaad Hahorim could even ponder it, like he is said to have done with Eli Greenwald.
Maybe that's what Chazal meant in the mishna Sota about yeshivas becoming vaadei znus.
Let's see the putz Applegrad go back on national TV and lie his way out of this one.
Check out Israel Appel's website. He is a 16 year old Brooklyn Yeshiva boy and his picture is posted.
Israel, you have guts. What Yeshiva are you in?
Is it time to reveal the skeletons in Geldwerth's closet?
Israel Appel,
A word of advice:
We certainly appreciate your good intentions and willingness to help, but if you know what's good for you, quit while you're ahead.
You'll probably be called in to R' David Feinstein's office tomorrow after Belsky calls him requesing that he expel you.
My advice: Stay away from these monsters at least until you graduate high school.
Best of luck to you, Israel.
Israel Appel is a wonderful young man.
Israel, kindly discuss these issues at home before you put yourself out there.
p.s. If my endorsement hurts your shidduch, I'll change my mind.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
who iz laizerowits? u mean Monderowitz?
Monday, January 8, 2007 7:27:00 AM IST
to the above misinformed.
mondrowitz is one monster and LEIZEROWITS IS ANOTHER,they have some things in common i will list but a few
1)they both took advantage of vulnerable kids under their wing.
2)both fled off to israel to escape the athority's.
3)both are gerer chassidem.
let me explain who this leizerowitz is . he was mashgiach of the gerer mesivtah on 16th av in boro park for close to 30 years, while he was supposed to help young bucherim through their tough teen years talking yiddeshkeit with them the sick pervert would take you in his locked room bearhug you then sit you onhis lap all the while he was breathing heavilly and rubbing his shmuck against your thigh.
now there are dozens of victims out there who want to see either him or the so called rabbonim of ger pay a price, for these rabbonim did nothing even after getting numorous complaints against this peice of scum as he continued to molest one young boy after another.
AND FOR THIS I CALL ON DOVID OLEWSKI TO RESIGN OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES - YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM ME SHORTLY EITHER WAY.
LEIZEROWITZ VICTIM FOREVER
LETTERS SENT TO
RAV LIPA , RAV KOLKO.
MY NAME IS NOT IMPORTANT FOR NOW. I AM A PERSON WHO IS BOROCH HASHEM VERY SUCCESSFULL BUSINESS MAN. MY SON WAS IN YOUR YESHIVA 2001-2004. MY SON FIRST GRADE REBBE WAS KOLKA.ONE DAY MY SON CAME HOME AND TOLD MY WIFE AND ME WHAT HAPPEN TO HIM THAT DAY IN YESHIVA.WE WERE VERY SHOCK TO HEAR WHAT HE SAID. HE SAID THAT KOLKO PULLED DOWN A BOY PANTS IN THE BATHROOM MY SON SEW THE ENTIRE SEEN. HE ALSO TOLD ASK US TATI WAS THE REBBE RIGHT? TILL THIS VERY DAY IT HAUNTS ME AND MY WIFE. I TOOK MY SON OUT OF YOUR KOVOD HATORAH YESHIVA END OF 2004 AND PUT HIM IN ANOTHER YESHIVA.
AFTER READING EVERYTHING WHATS GOING ON I @ MY WIFE DECIDED TO PERSUE LEGAL ACTIONS. WE HAVE ATTENDED LAST YEAR THERAPY FOR OUR SON AND HAVE ALL TRANSCRIPTS FORM THE DOCTORS WHAT WE NEEDED FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OFFICE MOLINARI @ MY ATTORNEY.
TO THIS VERY DAY MY SON STILL TALKS ABOUT IT , HE IS 8 YEARS OLD. ITS VERY DISTURBING ,PAINFULL FOR US. I HOPE OTHER CHILDREN COME FRONT THEIR PROBLEMS LIKE MY SON DID. I DON’T WANT MY SON TO GROW UP WITH THIS MEMORY. I DON’T WANT MY SON SHOULD GROW UP TO FEEL THAT NO ONE CARES. IF A PARENT DOES NOT CARE THEY ARE NOT A PARENT. RAV LIPA YOU NEVER CARED FOR THE WELL BEING OF YOUR CHILDREN,ONLY YOUR POCKET.
RAV LIPA , YOU KNOW ME VERY WELL,IF NOT YOU WILL FIND OUT SOON. I PROMISE YOU ONE THING I WILL SPEND UN-LIMITED FUNDS TO EITHER CLOSE UP YOUR SCHOOL, OR GO AFTER YOUR POCKET. I WILL DESTROY YOU. YOU SHOULD OF GOTTEN RID OF THAT GARBAGE MANY YEARS AGO. HOW EVER YOU DID NOT DO IT. NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR SON TESTIMONY ON RECORD. I HAVE CONTACTED MY ATTORNEYS TO INVESTIGATE YOU, YOUR SCHOOL, YOUR BOOKS. I HAVE ALSO HIRED A PRIVATE INVESTIGATION FIRM TO WORK WITH MY ATTORNEY TO DO EVERYTHING NEEDED . AGAIN YOU ARE THINKING THIS IS A CRANK LETTER, ITS NOT. I HAVE RETURNED 2 WEEKS AGO FROM ERETZ YISROEL AND HAVE SPOKIN TO THE BIGGEST KODOL. THEY TOLD ME TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. AND I WILL .
THIS IS KOVOD HATORAH
RAV LIPA. WHEN A PERSON DOES NOT WATCH THEIR BUSINESS THEN ITS TROUBLE. YOU DID NOT WATCH YOUR BUSINESS AND NOW YOU WILL PAY FOR IT. THAT YOU LEFT THAT PCS OF TRASH IN YOUR SCHOOL FOR SO MANY YEARS. YOU HEARD AND KNEW THEIR WERE MANY PROBLEMS. YOU ALWAYS SAID AT YOUR DINNER KOVOD HATORAH.
PLEASE BE READY FOR MAJOR PROBLEMS, I WILL NEVER LET GO TILL JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED.
I KNOW KOLKO WAS A GOOD WORKER. HE WAS FIRST GRADE REBBE, HE WAS ENGLISH PRINCIPAL,HE RAN YOUR SILVER LAKE CAMP. HE WAS A GOOD WORKER. ALL THE YIDISH KINDERLECH SUFFERED BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO SAVE MONEY. JUST WASHED IT UNDER THE CARPET THIS IS TERRIBBLE. I HAVE SPOKIN TO KOLKO WIFE A FEW TIMES MANY YEARS AGO IN REGARD TO REAL ESTATE DEALS. SHE IS A FINE PERSON, I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR HER THAT HER HUSBAND IS A PCS OF TRASH. THIS DID NOT START YET. I AM WELL AWARE OF THE JUDICIAL LAWS AND I KNOW JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED TO YOU AND KOLKO.
IF KOLKO IS SMART HE WILL TAKE A SINI PILL,LIKE HITLER DID IN WORLD WAR 2. I HAVE NO FEELINGS FOR KOLKO,AND FOR SURE NO FEELING FOR YOU. YOU ARE A HUNGARIAN IMMIGRIANT, YOU WENT THROUGH THE WAR, DIDN’T YOU SEE WHAT HAPPEN DURING THE WAR? WHY DID YOU LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN???I AM NOT SCARED OF YOU. I HAVE ALSO SPOKIN TO THE ROSH YESHIVA WHERE MY SON ATTENDS AND SHOWED HIM THE TRANSCRIPTS AND HE EXPLAINED TO ME AND TOLD ME I MUST DO WHATS RIGHT . HE PROMISED ME IT WILL NEVER EFFECT MY SON FROM STAYING IN THE YESHIVA WHERE HE ATTENDS. THIS ROSH YESHIVA STANDS AT THE DOOR OF THE YESHIVA WATING FOR THE CHILDREN TO COME TO SCHOOL AND GREETS THEM WITH A SMILE AT THE DOOR EVERYDAY. THIS ROSH YESHIVA OFFERS BREAKFAST FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE HUNGRY THE SECOND THEY WALK IN THE DOOR. WHERE ARE YOU RAV LIPA,COUNTING YOUR MONEY???ONE OF MY FRIENDS TOLD ME YOU CALLED HIM A FEW YEARS AGO AND THREATEN HIM IF HE OPEN HIS MOUTH YOU WILL MAKE HIS LIFE VERY HARD. RAV LIPA DO YOU THINK YOU WILL GET AWAY WITH THIS. I TOLD MY FRIEND I WILL SPEAK TO THE ROSH YESHIVA WHERE MY SON ATTENDS AND GUARNATEE HIM A PLACE IN THE YESHIVA FOR HIS TESTIMONY. I ALSO TOLD MY FRIEND I WILL PAY FOR HIS SON TUITION FOR HIS ENTIRE SCHOOL YEARS. I AM A SHOMER SHABBOS JUST LIKE YOU RAV LIPA. I HAVE A SHIR EVERYDAY FOR 2-3 HOURS. I NEVER TALK BY DAVENING. I KNOW WHATS RIGHT, AND I WILL DO WHATS RIGHT. I SAID MANY TIMES IN THE PAST BOROCH HASHEM I TOOK SON OUT OF YOUR NAZI SCHOOL.SO HE WILL NOT HAVE TO SEE KOLKO FACE DAY BY DAY. BUT IT STILL REMAINS IN HIM AND NOW WITH HELP WE WILL FIGHT THE CANCER THAT KOLKO PUT IN HIM. I AM ALSO DOING THIS FOR ALL THE OTHER YIDDISHI CHILDREN THAT WERE VICTIMS OF KOLKO. THEY ARE SCARED TO SPEAK OUT . I WILL DO ALL THE SPEAKING NOW.
IT WILL NOT BE PLEASENT
ANGRY FATHER
1) My dad said that he will join me in the demonstration. All is fine at home.
2) No threat in the world will stop me.
UOJ:
I should be able to get the endorsment of 1 or 2 org. in Brooklyn. I have spoken to them in the past about this. With the right "proof" they will back me up.
Kindly e-mail me and we can work out the details. I still need some more info about something. Please e-mail me @ israelappel@gmail.com. Please use an e-mail address that I can reply to, not the yahoo account you use for this blog.
-Yisrael
Thank you UOJ for all you have done and continue to do. We all know how much time it takes to just keep up with all that's out there to read...the amount of time and effort you expend in our struggle must be staggering. Chazak.
to angry father
great letter and strong encouragment, keep it up we can all use some strength,and may hashem be with you and bless you for you are fighting for all of us.
LEIZEROWITZ VICTIM FOREVER
We need people to come out to Israel's rally, it is the responsibility of every Jew, I will be contacting him to let him know that I back him up. We need people to show up. UOJ I urge you to contact Israel ASAP to set up a date and time. We need to bring this scum down, now.
Does anyone know when Torah Vodas dinner is? That would be the best time to picket them, thats when the donor come.
I have never been tempted to post here before because the content and nature of the postings on this blog are generally childish and way over the top. But now I can not remain silent.
Rabbi Schifenbauer is an adam chashuv and wise beyond his years. Those of you klein-kepplach who are spewing your silliness here really don't know what you are talking about. He is the furthest thing from an apologist for abusers that the rabbinate knows. He is a great asset to the tzibur at large and an invaluable tool in the efforts to ensure that the yeshiva system is improved in all areas that require improvement - including the safety of the children.
People like Rabbi Schifenbauer are the solution, not the problem. He is a great talmid chacham that is very in tuned with the world we live in and is not shy about addressing the problems that plague us as a community.
Those of you who don't know Rabbi Schifenbauer should avoid making judgments about him based on an anonymous post by a faceless coward. Those who do know him, already recognize that this entire series of posts is not only baseless but counterproductive to our community and its attempt to deal with a multiude of thorny issues that Rabbi Schifenbauer spends so much time dealing with.
Rabbi Schifenbauer's shul is lucky to have him as their Rov and the Brooklyn community is lucky to have him as an advocate.
I live in New Jersy...i will come to new york for a rally against these morons...let me know the details...post it up here......un-orthodox jew please reply here with the info about the progress of this protest...if israel chickend out yet or what...and also where will you get the gelt to have this done...and arent u scared that u will get killed...anyway...keep up the great work......death to belsky scum...
What does the torah vodaas dinner have to do with this?
Gil,
I was tipped off by a friend late tonight about your post. I would much rather be getting some sleep right now, but I feel I cannot wait until tomorrow to respond. The ground rule of the forum indeed was that no names could be mentioned, but I don't think you're naive enough to assume that any informed person didn't know exactly who was being discussed. Even without blatant references to the NY Magazine article, you said yourself - repeatedly - that the mystery blogger is the most widely discussed issue in town. Even if the audience had been held incommunicado for the last year, they have enough clues to find out who UOJ is in no time flat.
It seems that someone other than myself might be confused about Neuhoff. I asked you point blank if you are friends with him. You unequivocally responded "yes". You in fact did both criticize & praise UOJ, which I believe sounds contradictory to reasonable people, at least as far as why you criticized him. I also happen to be a critic of UOJ as far as his attacks on gedolim who do not enable abuse, but you stated in your public remarks that UOJ is mowing down many a yeshiva and organizational official without just cause. You explained that they are not guilty as UOJ would have them, but rather inept. If that is not a whitewash of enablers who conspired to preserve the status quo of abuse, then I must have been hallucinating. Starting with the well known rabbi who handed Tora Temima a list of all victims who came forward, I shudder to think the din vecheshbon these people will have to give. Certainly they are not the well-meaning patsies that you would have us believe.
It is my belief, based on your body language, as well as your speech, that you reluctantly attributed credit to UOJ after practically demonizing him at length. You made sure to point out that you hold UOJ in such contempt that you will never utter his name anywhere, not just in the shul that night. If UOJ is so "obnoxious" and resorts to such nefarious tactics, I think it a fair question to ask why Neuhoff has been spared your wrath. Here is a blogger, who also hid behind a cloak of anonymity, except this time he was on the payroll of alleged abusers & enablers, in the role of attack dog, unleashed on those who would fight injustice.
It is true that you modestly downplayed your role that evening. My comment on your role was directed at how the moderator introduced you as the most widely known figure in the J-blogosphere. In fairness to you, I should have pointed that out. I may have gotten carried away because I have a problem lately with "experts" being inserted where they don't belong, like Rabbi Twerski, who is better suited in the role of juris doctor, than being presented by "honorable" men as some sort of guru in areas beyond his scope. As the Wall St Journal editorial page often mockingly notes, "what would we do without experts?"
I see that you take offense at my revealing what you said to me after the forum concluded. I did not think offhand that you revealed any secrets and our conversation was within earshot of others who were at times listening in and eventually interjecting. I do not take giluy sod lightly, as outlined by the Sefer Chareidim and others as an issur. It was public knowledge that Rav Belsky directed Neuhoff, as Tuvya himself proclaimed on the blog. If R' Aron Schechter's involvement was not for public consumption, please be moychel me for causing you discomfort.
I have been more careful of late to limit my distribution of controversial emails to a select group, but I see that even that can spiral out of control. Now that this is in the open, I hope that I have not erred in any other way. My feeling is that I have not.
I got the feeling in general from the other item we discussed, that you can be a valiant ally in the war on child abuse. I just feel there is room for improvement in the area I highlighted.
Can you imagine Rabbi Belsky having a fit when he finds out about the rally lichvodo? And to think it was started by a kid with an idea? Make sure to protest that Belsky is in cahoots with the Iggud Haganovim. They were in on the bittul kiddushin and are behind a bunch of gangster shakedowns.
I'm sure Berel Shain means well, but if in fact Schiffenbauer is still saying Kolko is innocent, and I don't know if he is or not, that is an indictment.
And if in fact Schiffenbauer is on the Vaad Hahorim, that's also an indictment. He'd be better off as a card carrying member of the Klan, who these days have been killing fewer Yiddishe kinder than Temimah. The Vaad Hahorim is an organ belonging to a cancerous body that needs to be extricated before the host is cremated.
As the comments attributed to Rabbi Yosef Blau go, it's a huge tayna on parents who continue to support Margulies by even being there.
I came across this blog about a week ago, after seeing yeshiva abuse related articles elsewhere (Hirhurim? I don't remember).
The revelations here and elsewhere (especially at the Awareness Center and the Jewish Survivors Blog) have really shocked me. I am familiar with 2 well known rabbis who have been reported. Fortunately for me, I never suspected them in my yeshiva days. Of course, this is unfortunate for their victims.
We have a well worn copy of The Berenstain Bears Learn About Strangers. We used to read it to our kids when they were younger. Our youngest now is 8. I highly recommend it.
My commendations to you, UOJ, for your mesirat nefesh. My only constructive comments to you are to convey the messages in a language that is not unnecesarily abusive (you might actually scare people away that need your help) and to triple check your sources for accuracy, even against persons who are verified as being corrupt one way or another. If they can highlight any false positives, that may scare others away who could use your help.
May all your endevors be only le'Shem Shamayim. Yeverechecha Hashem.
Regards from Yerushalayim.
Those of you who don't know Rabbi Schifenbauer should avoid making judgments about him based on an anonymous post by a faceless coward.
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Did he say Kolko is innocent?
Because I was exhausted last night, I missed the opening thrust of Gil Student's post. My email only revealed a single item that was discussed in semi-private, the Neuhoff topic, not multiple items as is mashma from "a number of things." Gil writes in the same paragraph that this very topic of Neuhoff is no secret, which sounds to me like when Avi Shafran communicates the Aguda party line to an inquirer, then grumbles that some sort of confidentiality agreement has been broken if the person "reveals" the big non-secret.
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It is ultimately my fault that Rabbi Schiffenbauer's name is being mentioned here. I used the term "Torah Voda'as minyan" in a *private conversation* and that snowballed into the public denigration of him you see here. That is what upsets me most.
Additionally, some of the details about Chaim Neuhoff were (incorrectly) relayed and I do not know how much of that should be public. It was all based on a private conversation.
As to contradicting myself, let me clarify what will be clear to anyone who will hear the audio. I applaud UOJ for bringing an important issue to light and, if he is correct about his accusations, for saving innocent children. However, I am very disturbed by his sensationalist, over-the-top attacks on everyone even remotely involved. SOME of the people he attacks merely mishandled the situation and did not have any malicious intentions. That, alone, is reason to shut down the blog. However, I refuse to take part in that because, in the end, I believe he is saving children.
Gil,
Suffice to say for now, you are either extremely naive, or are somehow trying to play both sides of this issue, and of course sell books and ads.
You have no idea what you're saying!
The enablers that you are somehow calling inept are desperately trying to spin their long held knowledge of crimes in their institutions.
I believe your position on this is giving comfort to the many enemies of authentic Judaism, and I will not be posting any of your comments anymore.
UOJ, you hit the nail right on the head. Gil Student is trying to dance at all parties. That's how he's been on his blog all along. He wants to make everyone happy - the yeshivish, the MOs, and everyone in between. If the "inept" people really cared, they'd apologize rather than deny, deny, deny. Student, you don't fool anyone!
Gil,
Please cease falsely accusing me of betraying your confidence. I'm really starting to get annoyed. Get the audiotape of your own *public* speech which will prove it was then that you remarked about the Tora Vodaas minyan. It didn't even come up again later. I wish it was also videotaped as I even remember how animated you were, flipping your wrist when you said it.
You also give yourself way too much credit. Most people who could even make an educated guess, myself included, mistakenly thought you were talking about Rav Sekula. Posters on this blog were able to correct the error, not because of your obscure speaking engagement, but because Rabbi Schiffenbauer addressed an audience in Flatbush. If his name would have otherwise come up in passing, the same posts would have appeared.
You keep claiming I distorted your comments on Neuhoff. I did nothing other than repeat exactly what you said. I indicated at the time to you that I had read about your purported friendship with Neuhoff on the blogs. I did not get into those details, but basically a blog or two was aiming towards a conspiracy theory, after detailing how you've been seen cavorting together in the mountains and getting chummy by the poolside of a Fallsburg bungalow colony. I don't know either you or Neuhoff from a hole in the wall, so I was just trying to ascertain the facts for myself, when you confirmed that the two of you are indeed friends. If you are mortified that you were caught off guard, I'm sorry, but don't you dare cast me as a fabricator. Either you are gravely confused or you don't have a shred of integrity.
Somehow I get the feeling that most people who would listen to the unedited audio would not agree with Gil's synopsis of what he himself said.
UOJ: I still got no e-mail from you. Without speaking to you first, there can be no rally.
israelappel@jewishvengeance.com
-Yisrael
Yisrael,
Kindly e-mail your phone number and best available time. Regards to your esteemed mishpacha.
UOJ:
E-mail to where?
Your Yahoo! account isn't working. If need be, I can post it here, but I would rather not.
AM YISRAEL CHAI!!!
Gilligan will shut down UOJ hahaha. What are you drinking my friend?
UOJ get this bum.
It doesn't matter if Margo hides his wealth. He's going to have to dish out hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. And, he ain't gonna like that one bit.
Re Rabbi Shifenbaur & the "lubob", better know as Rabbi Vigler.
First and formost, Rabbi Vigler who has nothing to do with this conversation should be spoken about with a tremendous amount of respect. he is a BRILLIANT man, i believe the youngest rav to sit on the crown heights bes din. He is a talmid chochum who has done more for the Flatbush community and making it into a community than anyone has done before him. his countless campaigns etc have brought hundreds if not thousands of people closer to yidishkeit.
Rabbi Schfenbaur is as well a young dynamic rav with a strong following. before "dissing" someone you should find out all the facts...but i guess i forgot this is the unorthodox blog so facts are not as important as some good lashon hara..
I am not involved directly but know many who are in this case. so much of this is BS...There are alleged facts involved in this case. but 99% of what is written is done 10th hand without any knowledge of the actual case...
kids playing telephone is one thing...when adults do it, it can ruin someones life for no reason at all...
an additional point is....for those who wanted kolko out - he is out....what is the point in the nonstop bashing of temimah..its a school that has probably been mechanech tens of thousands kids who have come out to be hard working members of society, rabanim, gedolim and emesdik good people.. why would some1 choose to hurt the parnasa of hundreds of people? all the bitul torah and lashon hara and richilus and sinas chinam etc has effected ALOT more people than the ALLEGED claims against Rabbi Kolko... Remember innocent until proven guilty and dan lkav zchus...he was a mechanech for 30 yrs with thousands of talmidim who went through his classes/camps etc who only have good to say....
let the courts in shemayim and Court street decide....not for us to judge and cause more hate and sinas chinum...
dont forget he has an amzing family and amazing children that many of us are friends with!!!!!
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON COLMER?
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE KOLCO SCANDALE WOULD HAVE BEEN A TRIGGER TO PUTTING COLMER AWAY.
WELCOME BACK UOJ MY HERO!
YOU SHOULD BE AWARDED THE JEWISH
EQUIVALENT OF THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR!
Colmer moved out of my house two weeks after he was outed. No-one knows where he is living now.
The entire program from last Saturday night can now be downloaded from our website: etzchaimkgh.org. We hope to have a streaming audio option soon.
Moshe Rosenberg
I do not daven in Rabbi schiffenbauer's shul nut I do ask him my shailos and I did once ask him his opinion on the Kolko situation. He told me that he preffered not to talk about it. I asked him if he thought Kolko was innocent or not and he answered me "I dont know." My children dont go to TT so I dont know much about the inner working there but I do know one thing. Rabbi Schiffenbauer himself told me in his own words that he does not know if Kolko is innocent or guilty. Anybody saying that he holds otherwise is simply lying!!
"I asked him if he thought Kolko was innocent or not and he answered me "I dont know."
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He meant " I don't know why you are bothering me."
I HEARD ANOTHER CHILD IS COMING FORWARD. HE WAS MOLESTED IN KOLKO OFFICE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARENTS ARE GOING TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OFFICE.
THE QUESTION IS DO I BELIEVE KOLKO MESSED AROUND.YES I DO. I HAVE A FRIEND ON AVE K IN FLATBUSH THAT TOOK HIS SON OUT END OF 2006 BECAUSE KOLKO TOUCHED HIM. I ONLY FEEL SORRY FOR ALL THE VICTIMS THAT DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.MANY DOCOTRS SAY THE BEST REFUAH IS TO TALK ABOUT IT. WHEN I CHILD HOLDS IT IN THEY WILL SUFFER AS THEY GET OLDER.
I ALSO HEARD KOLKO HAS A HEARING JAN 24,2007.
I HOPE THEY HANG HIM LIKE SADAM. HE IS A SICK MAN.
i know that Torah temimah has a rebbe whose son has been sexually molested by his cousin and his father the Rebbe covered it up and is now teaching children who cannot feel safe with a Rebbe who didnt take care of his own son. How will he protect other people's children? rabbi Lipa Marguelis knows of him and as usual did nothing.
rabbi Marguelis knows of another Rebbe in his school whose own son was sexually molested by a cousin and the Rebbe covered it up for years. How can this Rebbe be teaching young children and protecting them when he didn't protect his own son?
Let’s not go as far to call victims hypocrites for not reporting perpetrators. The victims are just that, they are victims and we need to understand this. They and their parent's and family blame themselves for what has happened to them and they most definitely have a fear of reliving the events that put them there.
What I would say to all the victims out there, is stay strong, realize its not your fault, talk to others and let it out. The fact that someone took advantage of you is just not something you can be blamed for. When the time is right come forward you can certainly get some closure.
I am certain that living the rest of your lives without help and without seeing your perpetrator brought to justice is just not something you are prepared to do. it may take some time, but realize that in most cases there are others like you and by working together you finally see something done.
I am not and would never say this should be covered up. in fact those who help cover this up are basically accepting it and supporting it, if they like it or not this is what they are doing. The victims just deserve time and attention from those that care about them, not some political agenda. They should not be pressured to come forward or to cover it up. Ultimately they should do what’s best for them and anything they can and have to do to prevent the creation of future victims.
Everyone should understand that if the perpitrator is not ultimately brought to justice, rest assured he will act again.
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