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Sunday, January 16, 2011

The Yated gears up for war on Jewish bloggers!


Guest post by poster "Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer"

The latest USA English Hamodia ALSO had the same ad as the Yated of January 14, 2011, denouncing the Internet by the Moetzes Council of Torah Sages of Agudath Israel of America:

On page C17 of January 12, 2011 HAMODIA, in Hebrew with English translation is the full page "Kol Koreh" ad against the Internet, signed by Rabbis Aron Shechter, Aron Feldman, Avroham Levin, Harari Raful, Dovid Feinstein, Aryeh Kotler, Shmuel Kaminetsky, Yaakov Perlow, Yitzchok Feigelstock, Simcha Ehrenfeld.

The ad was put in both the Yated and Hamodia to make sure that all sectors get the message, since Yated is geared for the "Litvish" crowd and the Hamodia is meant for the "Chasidish" crowd.

But here is the really BIG news, in case anyone has any remaining doubts that the new front, and it is a serious one, being opened up here is against the entire Internet, specifically the Jewish blogosphere, that does not take its orders from Agudah World Headquarters, go read the lead EDITORIAL in the same edition of the Yated that carries the anti-Internet ad from the Agudah rabbis, written by none other than the Yated's publisher and editor in chief Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz with the screaming headline on the USA English Yated Ne'eman, January 14, 2011, page 3, continued on page 48, that shouts out:

"Editor's View

IT'S TIME TO TAKE A STAND

by Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz"

Go out and buy or get a copy, it's still around, and read it for yourself! It is an outrageous and provocative DECLARATION OF WAR against the Jewish blogosphere by Rabbi Lipschutz in turn now acting as a puppet for his bosses, a move so blind and reckless, that it's obvious he has been ordered to do so and it is in sync with the unfolding WAR ON THE JEWISH BLOGS that really started in all seriousness with the Hersh case when he included them in his legal (?) defenses/attacks, then with the recent attacks against the VIN news blog, the attack on Jewish blogger Harry Maryles by Matzav.com a puppet site of Yated, and now the reposting and repetition of old "bans" against the Internet in general in the Yated and Hamodia, and now the Yated owner driving home the message, in case anyone was in any doubt what the aim is here, in Rabbi Lipschutz own words based on contorted logic:

"...Liberal bloggers and journalists have for days been blaming Rush Limbaugh [for the shooting by a deranged man of a congresswoman in Tucson, Arizona]...A similar campaign to disparage frum Yidden in the religious Jewish media has been underway for some time...by anonymous BLOGGERS, and certain publications...these people, by virtue of their access to the public through a so-called "religious" BLOG, have the ability to promote their agenda...the purveyors of daily doses of scandal and morbidity are able to draw in a wide circle of unsuspecting readers...On these BLOGS, religious leaders are consistently vilified...they are portrayed as corrupt, willing tools of strongmen. The people who write, post and comment on the insiduous BLOGS are upset about the way frum Yidden help each other...those who take aim at our leadership...will be EXPOSED and SHUNNED".

Thank you Rabbi Lipschutz for clarifying what is going on and who is in your gun-sights. It proves that the simultaneous "kol koreh" is NOT really aimed at the problem of online porn, but on a much "bigger" (for you) problem, the bloggers you hate so much because they feel free to exercise their democratic right to freedom of expression and freedom of speech, indicating freedom of thought.

Thank you Rabbi Lipschutz for also clarifying that you have now openly aligned yourself with Michael Hersh whose attacks on freedom of speech are being fought by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) (retained by UOJ on behalf of all Jewish bloggers) posted at "Hersh v. Cohen" http://www.eff.org/cases/hersh-v-cohen. Child-abuser Hersh has the full backing of Rabbi Aron Shechter, who you are now trying to cover for at all costs by creating more side-shows who is nervous after posts on a truly "religious blog" run by a Haredi rabbi in Jerusalem revealed that Hersh lawsuit:Case dismissed with prejudice against most defendants, January 4, 2011, and that what may be next in line about Hersh appeals dismissal of case - next step might be a countersuit involving Yeshiva Chaim Berlin! January 7, 2011, and not backing off that Hersh case: Everything was done under Rav Aaron Schechter, shlita's supervision January 9, 2011, on such a "religious blog" run by Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn who in turn seeks his guidance from Rav Moshe Sternbuch whose weekly Torah teachings you approvingly publish each week in your paper.

So what are you going to do? Start a WAR ON THE JEWISH BLOGGERS that will backfire because it will:

1. Irrevocably drag you and your paper the Yated and your OWN Matzav.com blog into a morass of legal and ethical questions revolving around the hot button issues of freedom of speech and freedom of the press in the freedom loving USA. Remember, you are not in Czarist Russia now.

2. Irrevocably tie you in and drag you down with the drawn out unpopular (except with Aron Schechter) case of Michael Hersh that already has the Electronic Frontier Foundation fighting on behalf of the bloggers and Jewish media: "July 14th, 2010 - EFF Urges Court to Block Dragnet Subpoenas Targeting Online Commenters Privacy and Anonymity at Risk in New York Conspiracy Suit, that first Hersh/Shechter wanted to destroy and now joined by you through the Yated and your Matzav.com news blog. Is this the road you want to go down? The EFF will be more than happy to take you on!!!

3. Your WAR ON THE JEWISH BLOGS will get the attention of the general media and will certainly get the attention of the worldwide blogosphere on the world-wide-web, and the kind of things you are threatening like destroying anonymity and fighting bloggers rather than dealing and writing and responding to the legitimate issues they raise.

4. It will make you look so tyrannical and old fashioned that you may lose what little readership you have. At most your paper that reaches tens of thousands of your already-converted flocks, who don't have time for papers because the serious ones are learning daf yomi, struggling with parnosah, or in kollel or raising and supporting large families, will lose out as millions, perhaps even hundreds of millions of Jewish and non-Jewish readers online will be disgusted with your tactics and goals and zeal to do the wrong thing by covering up corruption and shutting up people who are seeking the redress they don't normally get.

5. By launching an all out WAR ON JEWISH BLOGS you will be compounding the problems by adding fuel to the flames and you will not be able to get away alleging that you are merely protecting the innocent from online pornography or the good name of the Gedolim, but you, and the people behind you, meaning the very Moetzes Council of Torah Sages that you are trying to "shield" will be seen for what it is once questions will be asked what all the fuss is about, and then you will have to answer why you remain silent about the Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer and other scandals, yet you attack those who do want to talk about it and seek realistic solutions. This will reveal not just how out of touch you are about the realities of technology, the Internet, the Information Age and modern communications, and stifling debate in a free society, but YOU will be responsible for creating a truly global chillul Hashem.

Unfortunately the omens are not good for you. The three mega chillul Hashem's of the Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer fiascos under the tutelage of Rabbi Aron Shechter, have not resulted in him pausing in his mad quest to destroy and stifle all murmurings he hates, but now with this WAR ON THE JEWISH BLOGGERS being twinned by you to that same battle that Hersh/Shechter have been waging against the same Jewish bloggers, will make you, the Yated, Matzav.com, partners to an even bigger chillul Hashem, r"l.

Kindly also note that Aron Shechter is already in automatic cherem (because he is a lo tzayis dino and being a mesarev ledin) after he refused to answer a hazmona to a din Torah from Rav Moshe Feinstein z"l and after rejecting three hazmonas from the Satmar CRC Bais Din over 30 years ago, see CRC Summons 7392, CRC Summons 7572, CRC Summons 7573.

Think it over, is it worth it for you and your backers? Remember you will never be able to shut down the Internet and it is all-pervasive, as you well know. You can still pull back from the cliff.

115 comments:

harvey said...

amazing - i know somone who spoke to a visiting auditor to Yeshivaas MH Chaim Berlin - he said that the amount of corruption he was ordered to cover up by shechter and fruchthander was so sickening that he left. This is a yeshiva, remember,where they profess to teach the word of GD.

Boruch said...

Hey Kids It's Alright!

We can control the content of what you see so that we can control what you should think. Lipa is on the net. Corruption is on the net. Sex is on the net. All this is bad for you. We'll control what you see and hear. We'll control the horizontal and the vertical. We'll make the picture from blurry to sharp. We are behind the Outer Limits.

Can we truly control the enemy - it's us so NOOOOOOO. The enemy is right in front of us staring back at the mirror, gleefully shepping kovod after our checks are mindlessly written. You can't believe the stories they tell about our Gedolim? Look into the Torah you fools, these stories have been told for over 3500 years. Hashem created MAN, not RABBIS. Hashem created a TORAH because there are AVEIRAHS. It's not about kvetching the bench, it's supposed to be about finding HIM.

Moshe was told by Hashem to go down to the river early in the morning to meet with Paroh. Why? Paroh's breakfast was better at sunrise as opposed to 10 a.m.? NO - Paroh wasn't a G-d, he had to go to the toilet. These thugs go to the toilet too. They aren't devine mystics; they aren't baal mofsim. We, the peons, are sick if we believe that our yeshuah is going to come through these shlichim.

Parshas Yisro - the shver tells Moshe, choose men who can't be bribed, are smart, and judicious to judge the people. The shver is lauded - gets his own parsha. The shver shouldn't have been bolted out of camp like a leperous pig. The yidden should have told Moshe, we have Hashem to judge us. We have His laws to learn and we have you to lead us. But NOOOOOO. They murmured, they complained, they listened to the PIGS of the day.

The pig - great animal - kosher without, not kosher within. Look in the mirror and see the PIG.

Attack the bloggers - attack Eibschutz, the Satmar Rov, Pinchas Ha Kohen for the same price. A kanoi who is osek in the well being of klall Yisroel, even coming under attack for it will eventually be venerated. Don't ever cower to these PIGS.

Yerachmiel Lopin said...

I love these morons. They will up readership on my blog, Frum Follies.

Any day they don't attack us is a day we have not done enough to expose their shmutz.

Anonymous said...

I was just going through all the blogs from '06 when Tuvya was outing UOJ.

Quite amusing, I must say!

The best part was those emails on MrRoshYeshiva showing how scared Feivy was. I got a good laugh!!!

"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...

Yeah...me too. I remember how scared HE REALLY was too!

"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...

Yeah, also .... when I spoke to him recently, HE told me he is REALLY scared now too. He can't stop being scared, that's how SCARED HE IS! That's really SCARY!

Just Asking said...

Why call Lipshutz the puppet and the Moetzes the puppeteer, when it's the other way around?

This is Pinny's campaign, not theirs.

Chaim said...

Pinny is in b/c there is money to be made! Matzav is selling internet and internet filtering services!!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/4cv7frx

Last week's yated had both Pinny's screed AND an ad for the filtering service!

Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidenson Daat Torah Blogger said...

Sunday, January 16, 2011

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2011/01/hersh-casehis-lawyers-claim-blogs-are_16.html

"Hersh case:His lawyers claim blogs are conducting campaign of intimidation against him

[Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn:] If you warn someone that if they step off a 50 story building that they will be hurt - is that intimation? If Hersh is warned that if he sues
for the ludicrous sum of 411 million dollars without justification that he and those associated with him will look ridiculous in the media - is that intimidation and harassment? What follows is the transcript of Hersh's former lawyer [who has withdrawn from the case because Hersh refused to pay him] claiming that 1) Rabbi David Greenblatt is part of the conspiracy to intimidate Hersh because he tried persuading Hersh and his advisors at Yeshiva Chaim Berlin that they should follow the halacha and go to Beis Din instead of secular courts 2) That the Blogs are part
of the conspiracy because they report what is actually going on as well as accurately portraying the consequences of using a secular court where all the proceedings are transcribed and accessible to the public.

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2l. The harassment and intimidation campaign of the defendants continues to date. Indeed, after the Oral Argument, defendants again attempted to threaten and harass Plaintiffs, this time to prevent discovery from
taking place in this case. Annexed hereto as Exhibit F is the affidavit of Sholom Eliyahi Yorkmark sworn to on the 27th date of June, 2010. Mr. Yorkmark, a longstanding friend of Plaintiffs and son of Rabbi Aaron Schechter, received a call from David Greenbalt who professed to be
calling on behalf of the Cohen Defendants. Mr. Greenblatt threatened that if the Hershes do not completely cease their legal action against the Cohens by Tuesday June 29th, 2010, then Raphael Cohen will "drag the Hershes, their Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin, and its head Rabbi, Rabbi Aaron Schechter, through the mud in the media."

22. Defendants made good on their threats and began posting new
disparaging information on blogs and internet posts, a sampling of which is annexed hereto as Exhibit F. The first one of the blogs annexed as Exhibit F states in pertinent part: This is a heartfelt plea to Michael Hersh and his family to STOP and WITHDRAW their ill-advised actions,
legal and otherwise, at this time because it will only harm their cause. This same blog also mentions the Wolbe defendants and threatens Rabbi Schechter, just as the Cohen Defendants had advised Yorkmark they would do if this case was not immediately dropped.

Posted by Daas Torah at 6:01 PM"

Tranquility Bay & the Google subpoena said...

From the blog of Haredi Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn:

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/07/tranquility-bay-google-subpoena.html

"Friday, July 2, 2010

Tranquility Bay & the Google subpoena

The following is one of the key documents in the case behind the Google subpoena of this blog and others. It appeared in Jewish Press April 18, 2008 @ http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_w3ipkL1Dd10/TC4CjuI90lI/AAAAAAAABaY/jorTE7cd7p0/s1600/Tranquility+bay+protest+5.jpg

Posted by Daas Torah at 11:20 AM

6 comments:

...Recipients and Publicity said...

"Dave said...Is there any proof Rav Shmuel's signature is genuine?"

RaP: In more than TWO years, absolutely no one has questioned that Rav Shmuel was 100% behind this PUBLIC letter and that he signed it, together with Rabbi Dr. Twerski and Dr. Pelcovitz.

"Perhaps the gabboim fed him bad information about this issue..."

RaP: Nope! Rav Shmuel is very close with Rabbi Wolbe from the Houston Kollel who had basically adopted and given shelter to both Isaac Hersh and his twin brother for a long time. Rav Shmuel also took a very strong stand in opposing Michael Hersh's rabbinic supporter Rav Aron Schechter of the yeshiva Chaim Berlin in Brooklyn.

This letter was publicized widely and it's still online at VIN, with some additional info: "Brooklyn, NY - Rabbis: Tranquility Bay Not An Option For Any Jewish Child" (Published on: April 16, 2008 08:40 PM):

'Brooklyn, NY - In a forceful strongly worded letter Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky writes that in no way should tranquility bay be an option for troubled teens.

the letter appears in the Jewish press of this week on page 15.

VIN news has learned that the letter was made public, after a few parents with troubled teens came forward and where leaning to send their teens to tranquility bay, even with all the recent negative press about it'.
"

The Five Questions that Hersh and Schechter weirdly interpreted as threats said...

This post by Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn became became both bone of contention and a bone in the throat (metaphorically) of Michale Hersh and his patron Aron Schechter that the crooked lawyers raised it in court:

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/07/five-questions-for-michael-hersh.html

"Sunday, July 11, 2010

Five Questions for Michael Hersh:

Guest post from Recipients and Publicity:


Firstly, what is Michael Hersh doing going to secular court during the Three Weeks and the Nine Days?

Secondly, what is Michael Hersh doing going to secular court at all? Especially when he has a case against an all-Jewish "opposition" mostly Orthodox, his starting point should be a bais din, ANY bais din, of his choosing, and then proceed from there. So again, what is his heter, and who gave it to him, to TRY to drag other Orthodox Jews, including rabbis, into secular court evidently using non-Jewish attorneys too?

Thirdly, why does Michael Hersh want to take the Wolbe family, the son and grandson of one of the most famous gedolim, thinkers, and authors of the Torah world Rav Shlomo Wolbe zt"l to secular court and what does he hope to gain from that?

Fourthly, why doesn't Michael Hersh realize he is making a huge chillul Hashem berabim, yet AGAIN? He does not want to let the past go but insists on continuing his quest for revenge.

Fifthly, what does Michael Hersh hope to achieve by dragging into secular court about 15 parties (not counting possible "John Does") and sending subpoenas to over 30 Email address owners, blog owners when the same events have been reported online by responsible newspapers, organizations, communal workers and rabbis. In fact both the revered Rabbis Shmuel Kaminetsky and Dovid Feinstein opposed the incarceration of Isaac Hersh Roman Era and Slave Age-style, when this is actually Modern Times in the Information Age. Within Agudath Israel of America's Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah they opposed Michael Hersh's Rabbi Aron Schechter of the Brooklyn Chaim Berlin yeshiva, causing a bitter split. This will not help Klal Yisroel, nor will it help Achdus. It is not Ahavas Yisroel nor does it make sense. The Torah says "lo ta'amod al dam rei'echa" so people felt compelled to speak up and try to help Isaac Hersh, and it says that "lo signov" refers to the prohibition of kidnapping, so people were outraged by the way Isaac Hersh was shackled and taken off to Tranquility Bay in Jamaica. This is poshut peshat.

This is a heartfelt plea to Michael Hersh and his friends to STOP and WITHDRAW their ill-advised actions, legal and otherwise, at this time because it will only harm their cause. They let the worms out the can years ago that cannot now retroactively be forced back in and shut up by the misuse of very expensive legal tactics that in any case fly in the face of Jewish Law itself."

Michael Hersh now joined by Pinny Lipschutz scrub the web said...

From the Daas Torah blog of Haredi blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn:

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/07/five-questions-for-michael-hersh.html

"Sunday, July 11, 2010

Five Questions for Michael Hersh:

Recipients and Publicity said...

Michael Hersh "scrubs" the web:

Will Michael Hersh also sue and subpoena Emails and blogs, of the mainstream media, legal and human rights organizations and even Yeshiva University, for their interest and reporting of events?

CITATIONS for case from media and organizations:

*New York Daily News: Jewish family sues Jamaican reform school for troubled teen (March 25th 2008): "A battle has erupted in the Orthodox Jewish community over a Brooklyn teenager sent by his prominent family to a behavior boot camp accused of terrifying abuse...The couple has a prominent supporter in Rabbi Aaron Schecter, head of Brooklyn's tight-knit Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin, according to the suit..."

*Re-reported in The New York Times (N.Y./Region. City Room. March 25, 2008): "...Isaac Hersh, 16, who was sent by his family to a behavioral “boot camp” in Jamaica that his lawyer says has abused him. The boy’s father, Michael Hersh, is chief executive of a large Orthodox volunteer ambulance service, Hatzalah; the boy, one of eight children, had been living with another Orthodox family in Texas. [Daily News]"

*Re-reported in Teen Advocates USA(Online Since 1999. March 25, 2008)

*New York Daily News: I was beaten & bound in boot camp, claims Brooklyn ultra-Orthodox teen (March 28th 2008): "A Brooklyn teen banished to a behavior boot camp in Jamaica by his family - sparking an internal battle among ultra-Orthodox Jews - is back in the United States after a showdown on the island nation. Isaac Hersh, 16, landed at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey Friday after his father was persuaded to let him leave Tranquility Bay, a private reform school...The story so divided the religious community that Isaac's father, Michael Hersh, was forced to take a leave of absence from his job as CEO of Hatzalah, the large, Brooklyn-based volunteer ambulance corps. Friends of the Hersh family described Isaac as a troubled son who had clashed with his parents for years. Others described him as a normal teen. He is living in an undisclosed location while custody arrangements are worked out."

Michael Hersh now joined by Pinny Lipschutz scrub the web said...

Continued, from the Daas Torah blog of Haredi blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn:

*Article in Yeshiva University's The Commentator student newspaper: Tragedy then Triumph (April 8, 2008): (Dramatic report worth reading).

*In Vos Iz Neias: Brooklyn, NY - CEO of Hatzolah's Teen In Gulag Camp, Embroil's Siblings, And Community. (March 25, 2008)

*Again in Vos Iz Neias: Brooklyn, NY - Questions Raised After Issac Hersh Rescue. (April 3, 2008)

*More in Vos Iz Neias: Brooklyn, NY - Rabbis: Tranquility Bay Not An Option For Any Jewish Child (April 16, 2008), with original protest letter from Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky, Rabbi Dr. Avraham Twerski and Dr. David Pelcovitz published in The Jewish Press dated April 14, 2008.

*COALITION AGAINST INSTITUTIONALIZED CHILD ABUSE: RECENT LAWSUIT FILED ON BEHALF OF A TEEN: VIOLATION OF DUTY TO PROTECT A MINOR, DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION, MEDICAL NEGLECT, CHILD ABUSE: "This lawsuit alleges a minor child, Isaac Hersh, was forcefully and against his will taken to a facility for troubled youth, Tranquility Bay in Jamaica. Because of documented cases of abuse at Tranquility Bay, and because of the forceful nature in which the boy disappeared, his community actively sought to assist
in his rescue. The Law Offices of Joshua M. Ambush located in Baltimore, Maryland, filed the Complaint on behalf of the Washington Center for Peace and Justice on March 19, 2008, and against the parents and the State Department. This was a novel approach that worked. Mr. Ambush indicated he did not sue WWASPS, as has been done in the past. The focus of this suit was to force the State Department to do everything they are mandated by law to do in order to protect abused minor children abroad.

Read the Complaint and the Motion to Dismiss below. After the suit was filed, the State Department took action and Isaac was released. The case was subsequently dismissed."

*From the New York Jewish Week: Breaking: Brooklyn Teen Released from Jamaica (March 30, 2008)"

Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn affirms bloggers rights said...

From the Daas Torah Blog of Haredi blogger Rabbi Dr. Danile Eidensohn:

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/07/subpoena-from-google-in-hersh-case.html

"Friday, July 9, 2010

Subpoena from Google in the Hersh case (update)

The latest development is that the Electronic Frontier Foundation has agreed to get involved and represent me in this case.

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Bloggers' Rights

If you're a blogger, this page is for you.

One of EFF's goals is to give you a basic roadmap to the legal issues you may confront as a blogger, to let you know you have rights, and to encourage you to blog freely with the knowledge that your legitimate speech is protected.

To that end, we have created the Legal Guide for Bloggers, a collection of blogger-specific FAQs addressing everything from fair use to defamation law to workplace whistle-blowing.

In addition, EFF continues to battle for bloggers' rights in the courtroom:

Bloggers can be journalists (and journalists can be bloggers).

We're battling for legal and institutional recognition that if you engage in journalism, you're a journalist, with all of the attendant rights, privileges, and protections. (See Apple v. Does.)

Bloggers are entitled to free speech.

We're working to shield you from frivolous or abusive threats and lawsuits. Internet bullies shouldn't use copyright, libel, or other claims to chill your legitimate speech. (See OPG v. Diebold.)

Bloggers have the right to political speech.

We're working with a number of other public-interest organizations to ensure that the Federal Election Commission (FEC) doesn't gag bloggers' election-related speech. We argue that the FEC should adopt a presumption against the regulation of election-related speech by individuals on the Internet,and interpret the existing media exemption to apply to online media outlets that provide news reporting and commentary regarding an election -- including blogs. (See our joint comments to the FEC [PDF, 332K].)

Bloggers have the right to stay anonymous.

We're continuing our battle to protect and preserve your constitutional right to anonymous speech online, including providing a guide to help you with strategies for keeping your identity private when you blog. (See How to Blog Safely (About Work or Anything Else).)

Bloggers have freedom from liability for hosting speech the same way other web hosts do.

We're working to strengthen Section 230 liability protections under the Communications Decency Act (CDA) while spreading the word that bloggers are entitled to them. (See Barrett v. Rosenthal.)..."

To Pinny and Hersh the EFF fights for bloggers Anonymity said...

https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity

"The Electronic Frontier Foundation [EFF]

EFF is the leading civil liberties group defending your rights in the digital world.

Home » Our Work » Free Speech

Anonymity

Many people don't want the things they say online to be connected with their offline identities. They may be concerned about political or economic retribution, harassment, or even threats to their lives. Whistleblowers report news that companies and governments would prefer to suppress; human rights workers struggle against repressive governments; parents try to create a safe way for children to explore; victims of domestic violence attempt to rebuild their lives where abusers cannot follow.

Instead of using their true names to communicate, these people choose to speak using pseudonyms (assumed names) or anonymously (no name at all). For these individuals and the organizations that support them, secure anonymity is critical. It may literally save lives.

Anonymous communications have an important place in our political and social discourse. The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment. A much-cited 1995 Supreme Court ruling in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission reads:

Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society.

The tradition of anonymous speech is older than the United States. Founders Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay wrote the Federalist Papers under the pseudonym "Publius," and "the Federal Farmer" spoke up in rebuttal. The US Supreme Court has repeatedly recognized rights to speak anonymously derived from the First Amendment.

The right to anonymous speech is also protected well beyond the printed page. Thus, in 2002, the Supreme Court struck down a law requiring proselytizers to register their true names with the Mayor's office before going door-to-door.

These long-standing rights to anonymity and the protections it affords are critically important for the Internet. As the Supreme Court has recognized, the Internet offers a new and powerful democratic forum in which anyone can become a "pamphleteer" or "a town crier with a voice that resonates farther than it could from any soapbox."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been involved in the fight to protect the rights of anonymous speakers online. As one court observed, in a case handled by EFF along with the ACLU of Washington, "[T]he free exchange of ideas on the Internet is driven in large part by the ability of Internet users to communicate anonymously."

We've challenged many efforts to impede anonymous communication, both in the courts or the legislatures. We also previously provided financial support to the developers of Tor, an anonymous Internet communications system. By combining legal and policy work with technical tools, we hope to maintain the Internet's ability to serve as a vehicle for free expression."

Yated on head on collision course with global PC WORLD readers said...

Yated on head on collision course with global PC WORLD readers

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/07/chilul-hashem-of-hersh-lawsuit-pc-world.html

Haredi blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn posted:

"Sunday, July 18, 2010

The Chilul HaShem of the Hersh lawsuit - PC World!

PC World

Should people be allowed to comment anonymously online?

That question is currently making its way through the U.S. legal system. A New York couple has issued dragnet subpoenas to Google and Yahoo demanding the identities of users behind 10 email accounts, 30 blog operators, website administrators, and the identities of anyone who had ever commented on those sites. That's hundreds of people! Riding to the rescue of our privacy and freedom are our heroes -- the EFF.

Miriam and Michael Hersh allege a "sweeping conspiracy led by family members and their acquaintances to accuse the Plaintiffs of mistreating their children and to cause a public controversy." This couple who, among other complaints, allege "intentional infliction of emotional distress" are the parents who made headlines in 2008 when news reports were published saying they had their then 16-year-old son, Isaac, taken to a privately owned correctional institution in Jamaica. [...]

Posted by Daas Torah at 11:54 PM

6 comments:

Chaim Berlin = My Way or the Highway said...

https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/hersh_v_cohen/hersh-yahoosubpoena-061410.pdf

The Hersh subpoena to Yahoo is going after Rabbi Harry Maryles in Chicago.
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Chicago said...

I wonder if the Yahoo action will cause a rift in the Agudah. Rabbi Maryles is a talmid of the Novominsker and always speaks in very glowing terms of him. But the Novominsker is also a Chaim Berliner who is at the beck & call of R' Aron & Frucht.
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Yated on head on collision course with global PC WORLD readers said...

Continuing: http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/07/chilul-hashem-of-hersh-lawsuit-pc-world.html

Haredi blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn posted:

"Sunday, July 18, 2010

The Chilul HaShem of the Hersh lawsuit - PC World!
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Recipients and Publicity said...

'Larry Lennhoff said...Why is this a chillul hashem?'

RaP: Because any intelligent reader will click on the links in the PC World article, to the news reports and court papers, and read the whole story.

'The fact that the Hershes are Jewish never appears in the report, no rabbis are quoted, no Jewish justification for the Hersh families actions appears - in short the article is completely silent regarding any Jewish component to the case, and hence I see no case for asserting chillul hashem. Can you explain where you see one?'

RaP: Again, just read the PC World story in 21st century style and click on the links that serve as references and background, such as "Riding to the rescue of our privacy and freedom are our heroes -- the EFF where by clicking on "EFF" it transfers to the full story of the EFF's press release: "EFF Urges Court to Block Dragnet Subpoenas Targeting Online Commenters...The subpoenas stem from a state lawsuit filed by New York residents Miriam and Michael Hersh alleging a conspiracy to interfere with their business interests" that mention the Hershes and then also has links to the fuller story with links to the "Motion to quash" and the other EFF summary page at Hersh v. Cohen that then has even more links to almost all the court papers.

The PC World article also states: "This couple who, among other complaints, allege "intentional infliction of emotional distress" are the parents who made headlines in 2008 when news reports were published saying they had their then 16-year-old son, Isaac, taken to a privately owned correctional institution in Jamaica" with the word "headlines" linking to the full article in the NY Daily News: "Jewish family sues Jamaican reform school for troubled teens" with the description and explanation how the incarceration and rescue of Isaac Hersh ripped the Orthodox community apart: "The case has so riled up members of the normally insular Orthodox community that several are taking the rare step of publicizing Isaac's situation. One one side is Isaac's informal Texas foster family, who are also Orthodox, and their supporters, who prompted a nonprofit to file suit in Washington last week on Isaac's behalf. They claim he was lured to Brooklyn with the promise of a job, handcuffed and thrown into a van that took him to the boot camp as he cried and begged to be released, the suit says. On the other side are the teen's father, Michael Hersh - CEO of Brooklyn's huge Orthodox volunteer ambulance service, Hatzalah - and his wife, Miriam. "Hatzalah will carefully monitor these proceedings, taking into account the seriousness of the allegations," the organization said in a statement."

All of that is very much a major chillul Hashem. So people do read articles and do click on links in them to get more information. In any case, even doing something in hiding, or trying to hide an obvious chillul Hashem does not make it any less of a chillul Hashem."

Electronic Frontier Foundation moves to quash Hersh Schechter subpoena said...

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/07/electronic-frontier-foundation-moves-to.html

Wednesday, July 14, 2010

Electronic Frontier Foundation moves to quash Hersh subpoena

Electronic Frontier Foundation

New York - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) this week served a motion to quash dragnet subpoenas that put privacy and anonymity at risk for the operators of dozens of Internet blogs and potentially hundreds of commenters.

The subpoenas stem from a state lawsuit filed by New York residents Miriam and Michael Hersh alleging a conspiracy to interfere with their business interests. Issued to Google and Yahoo, the subpoenas demand the identities of users of ten email accounts, operators of 30 blogs and a website that had featured discussions of the plaintiffs among other matters, and the identities of everyone who had ever commented on those sites.

In the motion served on Monday, EFF urged the Supreme Court for Kings County, New York, to quash the subpoenas for failing to satisfy the requirements imposed by the First Amendment, as well as the requirements imposed by New York state law and the federal Stored Communications Act.

"The First Amendment protects individuals' right to speak anonymously and forces litigants to justify any attempts to unmask anonymous critics," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Matt Zimmerman. "Litigants cannot forcibly identify entire communities of online speakers -- which include many speakers who no one would claim did anything wrong --simply because the litigants are curious."[...]

Posted by Daas Torah at 3:18 PM

2 comments:

Dave said...

Nice of the EFF to file on the websites behalf pro bono.

July 14, 2010 5:28 PM

Chaim Berlin = My Way or the Highway said...

If they got away with this frivolous suit, they would also know who is criticizing the Agudah on UOJ since Chaim Berlin controls that organization as well.

UOJ is one of the blogs being targeted.
"

Aaron Schecter Michael Hershs rebbe said...

http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/08/hersh-lawsuit-rav-aaron-schecter-shlita.html

"Monday, August 2, 2010

Hersh lawsuit - Rav Aaron Schecter, shlita: Michael Hersh's rebbe

[Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn:] I recently had conversations with some Chaim Berliners.

They expressed strong disappointed that their revered leader has gotten involved in this matter. They also expressed surprise at his support for Hersh.

It is important to realize that Reb Aaron is not just a gadol in Torah - but he also is known for his wise and perceptive advice, self-sacrifice and his many devoted followers.

They were concerned that this episode would severely tarnish his reputation and overshadow his many accomplishments - not just for Yeshiva Chaim Berlin but for Clall Yisroel. They felt that the information in this case has been presented in a misleading manner to him. It is a problem, however, finding someone whom Reb Aaron respects that can inform him of the tremendous chillul hashem in this lawsuit which also threatens his reputation and that of Yeshiva Chaim Berlin.

If anyone has a suggestion of someone who can play the role of honest broker - please contact me.

There is no question that Michael Hersh is losing this lawsuit.

While I can understand his pain - but he needs to realize that he has no right to misuse this tzadik and prince of the Torah. Whatever the merits of this lawsuit - he will eventually have to give an accounting for what he is doing to Reb Aaron."

Earth to Pinny...calling Pinny Lipshutz from whatever planet he is on said...

"The people who write, post and comment on the insiduous BLOGS are upset about the way frum Yidden help each other..."

No, Pinny. We are not upset about the Yidden who help children be safe from molesters (the bloggers). We are only upset about the Yidden who help the molesters and abusers like Tropper, Hersh and Kranczer (The Yated and the Agudah).

This quote is for the books. It ranks up there with when in the one and only time the Yated dealt with child molestation in order to make it seem like the Gedolim care, he used his editorial to defend them saying first that they did not know about it until just now, and then said that they care so much they had been meeting now for seven-eight years constantly on the problem....that they did not know about.

In that article he says that "nobody has explained to him" why rabbis who have done so much good for Klal Yisroel would not care about children being hurt.

Earth to Pinny: We don't need to explain it to you, the Gedolim explained it then and reiterated it at the recent Agudah conventions. They explicitly admit that they care more about the finances of their yeshivas than the safety of the children, even as they "acknowledge the suffering of the victims". It can't get any clearer.

It would be less apalling if they did not acknowledge the suffering like Ner Yisroel and Satmar and YTT have not. Then they could say they didn't understand. But to acknowledge the problem and STILL say that the Avoda Zara of money and the privately owned but publicly funded yeshivas is more important????

The Agudah started the war on bloggers with Rabbi Salamon's speech at the convention a couple years ago about UOJ. Then there was the Novominsker denouncing the "presumptous protesters and bloggers who think they know better than the Gedolim what is best for Klal Yisroel."

Earth to Rabbi Perlow:

No. We don't think we know better. We think that you know perfectly well how bad child molestation is and how necessary it is to expose the molesters and bring them to justice. The Gedolim know. They just don't care. It can no longer be ignorance. It is cold blooded and selfish apathy.

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 1

Background: In the January 14, 2011 edition of the English language USA Yated newspaper, an approved "voice" of Agudath Israel of America, its publisher and editor in chief, Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz, published a lengthy editorial stating "IT'S TIME TO TAKE A STAND" against Jewish blogs and bloggers who do not share his point of view. In the same edition of Yated there was also a full page ad condemning Internet usage signed by Agudath Israel's council of gedolei Torah (an exclusive club for self-selected rabbis). Yated and Rabbi Lipschutz reportedly also run the Matzav.com blog on which they recently posted an attack article: "[Rabbi] Harry Maryles, Have You No Shame?" (December 27, 2010). This is a response in kind and in the same vein but instead addressed to [Rabbi] Pinchos Lipschutz:

Are you out of your mind by invoking the "liberal bloggers" response to the recent shooting tragedy in Arizona and comparing THAT SCENARIO to the questions asked by Jewish bloggers who want to know why you and your paper and those like you NEVER report or deal with serious child abuse and pedophilia problems and other social ills in the Orthodox Jewish world?

You owe everyone a big apology just for that!!! In Arizona a mad lone gunman, who it is now reported in TIME magazine was actually a lefty himself, shot and murdered in cold blood SIX innocent people including a US Judge, and critically wounded fourteen others including a US Congresswoman. That is a horrific situation and regardless of how leftist media are stupidly "accusing" Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin, it has ZERO to do with the subject Jewish bloggers address, and that is child abuse, sexual abuse, wife abuse, varieties of fraud, gross materialism, and blatant hypocrisy in the Orthodox Jewish world, that should know better and be living by higher Torah values! NOTHING to do with murders by mass murders, G-d forbid, or how crafty leftist spinmeisters try to blame it on outspoken rightists or vice versa!!! -- This is what is called "dirtying" people, the VERY thing you decry and claim you want to oppose. It is a pity because until now your silence on these matters has won you a reprieve of sorts, but with you attack against Harry Maryles and now with "editorial" of yours you are climbing into the same mud-pile and flinging the same kind of dirt that does not befit you or your paper. But very unfortunately its seems that you or people you take orders from have convinced you to open this front, and you know, when mud is thrown, it will fly in all direction, including yours! Why have you chosen this unclean way when you could at least keep up the more clean-cut image that befits you?

How could you even compare the fact-based criticisms of Torah-observant Jewry's faults that do need fixing as you admit, to "the stoking of fury against right-wingers" by silly leftists? You make the ludicrous and perverted illogical assertion that "A similar campaign to disparage frum Yidden in the religious Jewish media has been underway for some time."

Really?

And it's just like those tendentious left-wingers who are unfairly "blaming" the biased right-wingers, that you admit: "...that the connection is ludicrous. That their narrative is totally contrived..." -- indeed, but without skipping a beat, YOU do the exact same thing by comparing and pinning the blame of criticisms YOU don't like on Jewish blogs and bloggers who do not share your outlook as is their right, so how ludicrous and contrived is that!!!

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 2

In case anyone may not know or is suffering from selective amnesia you, Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz, were essentially hand-picked and "blessed" to found and lead your Yated paper around twenty years ago as a Haredi answer to the centrist-Zionist Jewish Press. You had been working at Torah Umesorah, the National Society for Hebrew Day School that had originally been founded in 1944 by the Rav Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz z"l of the Torah Voda'as Yeshiva in Brooklyn. He hand-picked a successor, Dr. Joe Kaminetsky tasking him to build Jewish day schools in all North American towns and cities. He did that job brilliantly. Dr. Joe was in turn succeeded by his appointed successor Rabbi Bernard Goldenberg who was suddenly pushed out by your patron and mentor Shea Fishman of the Chaim Berlin Yeshiva powered like an electric toy by supposed real estate magnate Abe Fruchthandler president of the Chaim Berlin Yeshiva, and of course they are under the thumb of its head Rabbi Aron Schechter. Yes, yes, you were also blessed at the Yated by your late uncle Rav Elya Svei z"l, but he was quite a different man to the Fishman-Fruchthandler-Schechter cabal that hated him, but nevertheless felt that YOU would be totally malleable to do THEIR bidding based on your brief performance on their behalf while you did your stint of duty working at Torah Umesorah as some sort of "information (read: propaganda) expert and disseminator" so when you got going with the Yated idea (whose idea was it by the way???), you always "owed" them and did nothing against them, even when at times you had to walk a fine line between your uncle Elya's more stringent incorruptible views and the Yeshiva Chaim Berlin cabal's never-ending penchant for SHTIK.

Perhaps that may explain why you are cunningly willing to leverage the group-think opposition of the council of Torah sages against the Internet because they LEGITIMATELY fear its gross depictions of porn, that all thinking or moral people try to fight as much as they try to fight any destructive YETZER HORA inclinations, but it is INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST to base an attack on blogs and bloggers who are OPPOSED to the sexual exploitation of children and people as if they themselves are somehow like "online pornographers", or in your terminology, "leftist bloggers and journalists," -- all this by twisting logic and playing with people's heads in the hope that no-one will notice what you are trying to get away with.

So here you have a huge ad by the council of Torah sages condemning the Internet for its pornographic dangers and you then combine that with a biased and wild "editorial" about Jewish blogs and bloggers (who are not part of the pornography problem in any way) and you think you "accomplish" your "goal" of undermining Jewish blogs and bloggers who express criticisms of things YOU wish to hush up and sweep under the rug. Nice try, but no cigar!!!

It is because you "owe" the Schechter-Fruchthandler-Fishman Chaim Berlin Yeshiva cabal (point man being Nate the Nut Segal), that you are willing to leverage the ad against the Internet into a support for attacks against Jewish blogs and bloggers. But the problem is that you do not even have to be a rabbi to agree that online porn is evil, and the Agudah rabbis ban on the Internet for this is almost redundant, but by having that ad there it backs up your attacks on Jewish blogs and bloggers an entirely different group that AGREES with the destructive problems of online porn but ALSO wants words and action against real-life sexual and other abuses in the Haredi world that should know better!

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 3

Rabbi Lipschutz, you continue on page 48 with a full page "Editor's View" diatribe against the Jewish blogs and bloggers you disparage, the way you claim you don't like the way the blogs and bloggers do it. If this were an exercise in chinuch (education), kiruv (outreach), hasbarah (public relations) and just plain sechel (good sense/logic), would you go about "defending" and "selling" your point of view the way you are going about it now in this editorial by stooping down to the level of the very type of things you claim disgusts you???

You claim you want to help poor pure "surfers" but isn't that a contradiction in terms, that if the good people you claim to speak for do not have the Internet and abide by the decrees of the Agudah rabbis, who still think that they can "rule" the masses via "marshal law" "kol koreh"-decrees as if this is a new state of emergency in Czarist Russia, then why would they be "surfing"? If they are surfing it shows the rabbis are not doing a good job and they have lost their audiences. This does not have to be so because TORAH SELLS ITSELF without either gimmicks or decrees but by the love and adherence the Jewish people have had for it for thousands of years that the rabbis should be teaching by EXAMPLE of AHAVAS YISRAEL and not by dictatorial decrees from Agudah or anywhere!!! Sure rabbis should speak up, but decrees in commercial papers convince no-one but the already converted -- and they don't read papers either, not even the Yated (if that is a shock to you, sorry to have to tell you that.)

You go on, and on, and on, in this wacko editorial how the blogs and bloggers you disapprove of are "jealous" of religious communities or themselves are off-base. You know, that is like saying the world is not a perfect place, what's called a truism, because the world wide web and Internet reflect ALL sorts of people, ALL sorts views, and ALL sorts communities.

The Internet is a cyber-MIRROR of real life and just as in real-life there are all sorts of views and opinions and views and outlooks likewise on the Internet. Yes, it is true there are blogs and bloggers who are not Agudists, or Orthodox, ranging from outright atheists to the most Haredi.

Now the question is, when facing criticism what should the correct approach for an honorable editor like you be? Does one ignore the questions and the issues and demonize the questioners, who may not be "perfect" in YOUR eyes, but they do raise some valid and pertinent facts and questions, and instead demonize them and tar them as you now do, in the hope of distracting attention from the real questions and issues that will not go away no matter how many blocks, filters and red herrings you put up.

The Internet is NOT a Haredi yeshiva!!! Maybe you would do a lot better if you approached the Internet and Jewish bloggers as a chinuch, kiruv and public relations challenge, where tantrums, threats, and cruelty by teachers, leaders or editors do NOT work, and not resorting to a call to arms and virtual declarations of war.

So far you have managed to keep your paper a medium of SELECTIVE, albeit goo information for Haredi life, having read your paper every week since its inception twenty odd years ago one could write a lot about it, but it is an entirely different thing to declare as you do that you will now resort to the very actions and methods you abhor!

You should stick to the high ground and AVOID like the plague babyish crying that people are "jealous" of your Haredi life, which is not true of all the blogs and bloggers you lump together, many who are obviously acting out of as deep or deeper concern for the moral and spiritual survival of Klal Yisroel than you.

Do not shoot ALL the messengers simply because you hate their messages and points of view.

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 4

Rabbi Lipschutz you also do a very dishonest thing on page 48 of your "Editor's View" by printing in the middle of YOUR editorial a colored copy of a letter by the Steipler Gaon, Rav Yaakov Yisroel Kanievsky z"l who passed away in 1985 LONG BEFORE there was ANY Internet in homes, in those days the Ineternet was almost unknown and used by very few, mostly by technically savvy people, or the US military in secrecy.

The caption to the "letter" you inserted (was it written on a brown paper bag? it looks like it) reads: "A letter written by the Steipler Rov zt"l and signed by leading gedolim depicting the dangers of reading such publications" -- that must have been written some years BEFORE the passing of the Steipler Gaon in 1985 -- his signature comes across as quite clear, strong and vibrant, so maybe it was written in 1975 or 1965 or thereabouts and it surely has NOTHING to do with the Internet or blogs or bloggers!!!

of course, the VERY Haredi (mostly Chasidim) are against "chochma chitzoiniyus" (external/secular wisdom) that is their perogative and it is nothing new. Some people choose to go to college and others don't. So what? Both are legitimate and both can be frum and/or go off the derech, with our without college or ever knowing a drop of secular knowledge.

Yeah right, you want to smear all Jewuish blogs and bloggers as being like "Maskilim" who "succeeded in turning away tens of thousands from the path of Torah through the very same type of propaganda invading our community today [from Jewish blogs and bloggers]"

Talk of propaganda, you take the cake.

You assume that everyone who reads your paper is a simpleton who knows nothing about the complexities of Jewish history. Sure there were maskilim, but there was also a huge non-Jewish Enlightenment and Haskala (would you prefer the Dark Ages then??), and there were pogroms, and ghettos, Inquisitions and Crusades and Chmelnitzki y"sh, wars and plagues and many factors that embittered the lives of Jews. It was a tidal wave of factors that conspired to undermine and uproot the Jewish people from its Torah moorings in Europe, not just Maskilim plying their trade to "nebech" gullible Yidden who were "babes in the woods" the way you make them seem.

What are you going to say to the tens of thousands of HAREDI yet college-educated professionals crowd of people, the doctors, lawyers, accountants, computer programmers, university and college and public school teachers, writers, psychologists, social workers, speech therapists, physiotherapists, bankers, stock brokers, real estate agents, technicians, mechanics, and more, the whole gamut of MODERN secularly educated professional and working fields -- that they need "protection" and "advice" from YOU to "stay away" from the Internet and from reading what Jewish blogs and bloggers write??? Bet you lots of them have their OWN BLOGS, even make some money from them one way or another and read what they want to, EVEN criticism of you and the the Agudah rabbis, what are you going to tell them, "beware of maskilim" on the Internet and then tout totally out of context "letters" from the Steipler Gaon that have nothing to do with the Internet or the price of tea in China?!

Just how stupid and immature do you think you readership really is?

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 5

Rabbi Lipschutz, the final few paragraphs of your "Editor's View" are too clever by half. You lay the groundwork for a forthcoming attack on Jewish bloggers and blog-owners identities so that they "will be exposed and shunned" by invoking your incorrect and utterly childish reading of modern Jewish history.

Your silly "conclusion" that Jews could have been saved from "assimilation" had the "religious" maskilim been "outed" earlier is utterly STUPID!

Go learn some history before you utter garbage to the gullible, but then again, you have another goal here, to create some sort of fake "rationale" and home-made "heter" based on narrow, kindergarten level ideas about Jewish history to justify a criminal act by you now of going against the norms and laws of American society by violating blogs bloggers' rights to privacy and anonymity, learn more about this and the legal complexities and ramifications, FOR YOU, given your stated aims, described at EFF: Anonymity -- TAKE THAT AS A WARNING, that BLOGGERS WILL FIGHT FOR THIS RIGHT!!!

You explicitly tie together the ad from the Agudah rabbis against viewing Internet pornography with the war on the Jewish blogosphere by stating: "...we must stand guard...from the vile filth which fills the internet [sic]...that is not enough. Just because something [on Jewish blogs and by bloggers] sounds frum...doesn't mean that it has a place in our homes." So there you have it, Jewish blogs and bloggers that may sincerely try to deal with real life and real world issues that the Yated will NEVER touch, are now the "equivalent" of "online pornography."

Then in your second to last paragraph you issue a call for "people of fine chracter steeped in Torah and mussar" -- like who exactly? Leib Tropper? Or Michael Hersh and Aron Schechter? Or Gershon Kranczer? and a whole rogue's gallery of "Toarh do gooders" now under indictment, in jial, or living in shame, etc etc etc -- the time has passed for that drivel -- "We should empower them...support these people...without fear of being maligned for their actions" -- too much has happened and been revealed to turn the clock back Rabbi Lipschutz, something even you should know!

Please be rational! Everyone wants to see good and CAPABLE and TRULY QUALIFIED people who will be ACCOUNTABLE and not have to be forced out and forced to quit, like Tropper, Hersh and Kranczer etc etc etc were forced to resign only AFTER they had committed their wrongs, and even so neither you nor the Agudah rabbis offer any reassuring reasons to build hope and trust.

How can you ask people to trust you, when people like Tropper, Hersh and Kranczer etc etc etc were trusted to the full to help the frum world but instead they braught about disasters and still and all they are backed to the hilt by the likes of Aron Schechter who now seeks to build a new defense for himself in the Hersh case by getting the likes of you to invoke the evil of pornography on the Internet pornography (we can all agree on that) AND pointing out the counter-productivity of pointless banter and useless comments on blogs and by bloggers not worthy of intelligent responses (we can all agree on that) BUT all with the aim of getting Michael Hersh and himself off the hook, AND combine that with other "bans" and attacks against VIN, bloggers like Harry Maryles, and anyone using Google and Yahoo that people like Hersh and Aron Schechter want outed and brought to court, just as YOU now join them by threatening that Jewish blogs and bloggers "will be exposed and shunned" in contravention of US norms and laws as they presently apply to the Internet.

Nuff said, for now!

Your move Rabbi Lipschutz!

Margo's accountant said...

Oh crap!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/business/global/18baer.html?hp

Ex-Swiss Banker Gives Data to WikiLeaks

By RAVI SOMAIYA and JULIA WERDIGIER 11 minutes ago

A former executive with Julius Baer said he had given WikiLeaks details of more than 2,000 individuals and companies that he contends engaged in criminal activity.

Bungalow Putz tracker said...

That's hilarious. Can UOJ share details of when & how he bumped into Neuhoff?

yungerman said...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3828340,00.html

'Financial crisis drives haredi women to seek abortions'

Anonymous said...

I don't know if I would take this at face value:

Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 018489/2001
Case Name: LEDDER,LOUIS ISRAEL vs. LEEDER,MIRIAM SILKA
Case Type: Uncon Mat1 Cruel & Inhuman

I have never seen a case where the plaintiff alleges "cruel & inhuman" treatment at the hands of spouse, which doesn't mean anything of itself. The reasons why I am suspicious is because the plaintiff's attorney is Young Israel President Steve Mostofsky who has a long history of enabling abusers and because this is probably the same Louis Ledder who threatened the roshei yeshiva when he was in Lakewood.

Anonymous said...

Mostofsky was attorney for "Uncle Milty" in this case:

Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 015104/2002
Case Name: NOVEA,HACHAL vs. BALKANY,RABBI MILTON
Case Type: Contract

http://www.nachalnovea.com/

These are the Breslovers from Tzfas. Anyone know what this was about? It was in court for years.

Anonymous said...

Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 017421/2004
Case Name: DISCOUNT MORTGAGE SERVICES vs. YESHIVA & MESIVTA
Case Type: Contract
Track: Complex

Is this YTT that defaulted on a mortgage? Mostofsky was the yeshiva's attorney.

Anonymous said...

Mostofsky represented these people suing Josh Mehlman. Maybe the resident expert on Chaim Berlin scandals can shed some light here.

Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 023975/2004
Case Name: MANDEL,HARRIS & BERNICE vs. MEHLMEN,JOSHUA & MALKI
Case Type: Other

King George III said...

I rather enjoyed Pinny's editorial. Freedom of Speech and Press are far too overrated.

Shlomo Mandel said...

Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 027824/2009
Case Name: BRAUNSTEIN,MARK vs. YESHIVA & MESIVTA OF BROOKLYN
Case Type: Other Torts

Fresser real estate agent said...

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=4NpRAMSzDUCXhD/vOEFd3w==&system=prod

Another yeshiva foreclosure, Zelikovitz in Manhattan Beach.

Gerrorist said...

Kings County Civil Court
Index Number: RE-429046-10/KI
Case Name: BROOKLYN UNION GAS COMPANY, DBA NATIONAL GRID NEW YORK
vs.
YESHIVA, GERER
YESHIVA, MESIVTA

Steve Mostofsky said...

http://www.law.com/jsp/nylj/PubArticleNY.jsp?id=1202477916000

Here is a picture of me that UOJ can use while giving credit to NY Law Journal so that I can't bring legal action for Google to shut down the blog like for the earlier picture from my firm website.

You will love the part in this interview where I tell everyone that I act "ethically".

Anonymous said...

http://serandez.blogspot.com/2011/01/addressing-abuse-in-our-community.html

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 6

Rabbi Lipschutz you are now going into overkill by having your Yated's proxy Matzav.com publish your entire hateful editorial. Your comments at the end though are hysterical "I wish to reiterate that my only involvement with this site is the posting of my column, all rumors to the contrary notwithstanding." Yeah sure, sounds something like "I will not be confused by the facts" so be that as it may, let's leave them for the online sleuths to resolve.

But here it is, for the benefit of the world let's tell them where they can hear it from the horse's mouth where they can read your entire abominable editorial and let everyone judge for themselves:

http://matzav.com/its-time-to-take-a-stand

"The Matzav Network: matzav.com: "The Jewish world @ your fingertips"

It’s Time to Take a Stand

Monday January 17, 2011 11:38 AM

By Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz

This past Shabbos morning, a deranged man shot a congresswoman and her constituents in Tuscon, Arizona. The media quickly blamed the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh in particular, and conservatives in general. The local sheriff charged with guaranteeing the public safety went on the air and blamed incendiary talk radio for the actions of a lone lunatic.

Liberal media out to demonize the political right aren’t deterred by the facts. No matter that their claims stretch human credulity to the breaking point. They will pounce on every opportunity to advance their agenda - no matter how irrational and absurd their assertions are.

Liberal bloggers and journalists have for days been blaming Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin for something so far removed from them that the connection is ludicrous. That their narrative is totally contrived is obvious to any thinking person.

Yet the stoking of public fury against right-wingers continues. Think about it: an insane person carries out an act of lunacy, and automatically, the knee jerk reaction is that right-wingers are all crazy. They are violent. They are murderers. Their right to speak and run for public office must be stripped from them. They should be banned from public discourse and the marketplace of ideas and opinions.
Tarring The Frum Community With One Brush

A similar campaign to disparage frum Yidden in the religious Jewish media has been underway for some time. Cloaked deceptively in a religious veneer, using Yiddish names and faces, the relentless disparaging of the Torah community by anonymous bloggers, and certain publications, is diluting the power of Torah and halacha among religious Jewry in our society.

Many of the individuals who habitually undermine our community’s values using purported “news reporting” are emboldened by the built-in anonymity of the internet. They prey on the public’s weakest tendencies. These people, if identified, would draw scorn for their outrageous character assaults and gossip-mongering. They would be pitied for how far they have drifted.

Yet, these people, by virtue of their access to the public through a so-called “religious” blog, have the ability to promote their agenda.

The high cost of publishing once restricted people from foisting their misguided agendas upon an unsuspecting public through the printed word. Slick, colorful publications that would entice a broad range of readers are simply very costly. The internet, though, is free. Anyone can post their views on the internet and have the public read them at no charge...

[see http://matzav.com/its-time-to-take-a-stand for the rest and full threatening editorial.]

Yerachmiel Lopin said...

I have a new post about the role of Mir's Kalmanowitz in the Vos Iz Neias (VIN) ban.

http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/why-rabbi-kalmanowitz-might-hate-the-internet-enough-to-support-the-vin-ban/

People You'll See In Hell said...

http://pysih.com/2009/03/09/rabbi-israel-weingarten/

YISROEL Simcha Schor visits YISROEL Moshe Weingarten in JAIL said...

Eye-catching black and white photo of "Harav Yisrael Simcha Schorr" leading the way up the jail path with "Harav Moshe Green" in the background all crumpled up in a wheelchair surrounded by five Chasidisha men in full Chasidish regalia but not named in the photo.

Caption reads:

"(HAMODIA
7 SHEVAT|Community|January 12, 2011 [Page] C9

COAST TO COAST)

Harav Yisrael Simcha Schorr (l) Rosh Yeshivah Ohr Samayach, and Harav Moshe Green (seated) arrive last Tuesday at Petersburg Federal Prison in Hopewell, VA, to give chizuk to the Yidden sitting there.

Very funny!: "to give chizuk" hahahaha, chizuk, hahahaha -- "to the Yidden" -- what "Yidden"??? sex perverts!!! -- "sitting there" -- they ain't sittin' babe they're jailed and locked up down there man.

This is the truth:

This delegation of rabbis made a controversial trip to visit a notorious disgraced and defrocked self-declared "rabbi" disowned by the Satmar sect he associated with, one Yisroel Moshe Weingarten, who was sentenced to 30 years in prison after he was found guilty of illegally moving his daughter across international borders multiple times over several years in order to engage in incestuous sex with her.

The daughter and wife and others testified against Weingarten who had been investigated by other rabbis who gained information about his outrageous behavior from his daughter and wife many years ago, but it was ignored until he was arrested in the USA and then convicted and jailed.

Recently, a group of rabbis, headed by Rabbi Moshe Green of Monsey have "declared" Weingarten to be "innocent" and of being "unjustly" imprisoned based on alleged "false" evidence, in spite of a long investigation and an impartial trial in the USA. They must of course be referring to that aspect of Jewish law that does not accept any testimony from women and of course how could two women like Weingarten's abused wife and daughter have the audacity to be believed.

So it's hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to jail we go, by the seven Monsey rabbis like seven mindless dumb dwarfs to visit "good ol' Reb Yisrael Moshe Weingarten" who is nebech a "victim" deserving to be "honored" by a rabbinical delegation that also calls for his release based on another principle from Jewish law of "pidyon shevuyim" that was meant to save truly innocent people from captivity but not for the purpose of springing from jail proven sex maniacs and rapists.

Where do these rabbis learn morality from? The Mafia that always honors its jailed leaders no matter how despicable the crimes they committed, and were jailed for, are?

Wolf in Sheeps clothing when Communist Chinese talk like capitalists said...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.9964072691a62252d0a98b0308fb8063.281

BREITBART

"Hu calls currency system 'product of the past'

Jan 16 03:53 PM US/Eastern

China's President Hu Jintao said Sunday the international currency system was "a product of the past," but it would be a long time before the yuan is accepted as an international currency.

Hu's comments, which came ahead of a state visit to Washington on Wednesday, reflected the continuing tensions over the dollar's role as the major reserve currency in the aftermath of the US financial crisis in 2008.

"The current international currency system is the product of the past," Hu said in written answers to questions posed by The Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post.

Highlighting the dollar's importance to global trade, Hu implicitly criticized the Federal Reserve's recent decision to pump 600 billion dollars into the US economy, a move criticized as weakening the dollar at the expense of other countries' exports.

"The monetary policy of the United States has a major impact on global liquidity and capital flows and therefore, the liquidity of the US dollar should be kept at a reasonable and stable level," Hu said.

China's own currency, the yuan or renminbi (RMB), is also expected to be a bone of contention in Hu's talks with Obama, with the United States complaining that it is artificially overvalued to boost Chinese exports.

Asked about the view that appreciation of the yuan would curb inflation in China, Hu suggested that was too simplistic a formula.

"Changes in exchange rate are a result of multiple factors, including the balance of international payment and market supply and demand," he said.

"In this sense, inflation can hardly be the main factor in determining the exchange rate policy," he said.

At the same time, Hu signalled no imminent move away from the dollar as a reserve currency, saying it would be a long time before the yuan, or renminbi (RMB), is widely accepted as an international currency.

"China has made important contribution to the world economy in terms of total economic output and trade, and the RMB has played a role in the world economic development," he said.

"But making the RMB an international currency will be a fairly long process."

Nevertheless, Hu noted that China has launched pilot programs using the yuan, or renminbi, in settlements of international trade and investment transactions.

"They fit in well with market demand as evidenced by the rapidly expanding scale of these transactions," he said."

"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...

Pinny:

This must be the one Rambam your gedolim forgot!

I pleaded with them, called their friend to Din, these rishaim ignored the burning life and death issues for the klal, and still ignore the real issues. Well, it's too darn bad, the toothpaste is out of the tube Pinchos and there's no way you're going get it back in again. Now stop whining, you'll always have some 20,000 morons reading your rag.

משנה תורה - ספר המדע - הלכות דעות

המקום--צריך להוכיחו בינו לבין עצמו, וידבר לו בנחת ובלשון רכה, ויודיעו שאינו אומר לו אלא לטובתו, ולהביאו לחיי העולם הבא. אם קיבל ממנו, מוטב; ואם לאו, יוכיח פעם שנייה ושלישית. וכן תמיד חייב להוכיח, עד שיכהו החוטא ויאמר לו איני שומע; וכל שאפשר בידו למחות ואינו ממחה, הוא נתפס בעוון אלו כולם שאפשר לו למחות בהן.

י [ח] המוכיח את חברו תחילה--לא ידבר לו קשות עד שיכלימנו, שנאמר "ולא תישא עליו חטא" (ויקרא יט,יז). כך אמרו חכמים, יכול את מוכיחו, ופניו משתנות--תלמוד לומר, "ולא תישא עליו חטא"; מכאן שאסור להכלים את ישראל, וכל שכן ברבים.

יא אף על פי שהמכלים את חברו אינו לוקה, עוון גדול הוא: כך אמרו חכמים, המלבין פני חברו ברבים, אין לו חלק לעולם הבא. לפיכך צריך אדם להיזהר בדבר זה, שלא יבייש חברו ברבים, בין קטן בין גדול; ולא יקרא לו בשם שהוא בוש ממנו, ולא יספר לפניו דבר שהוא בוש ממנו.

יב במה דברים אמורים, בדברים שבין אדם לחברו; אבל בדברי שמיים--אם לא חזר בו בסתר--מכלימין אותו ברבים ומפרסמין חטאו ומחרפין אותו בפניו ומבזין ומקללין, עד שיחזור למוטב: כמו שעשו כל הנביאים לישראל

Yated gang copies Communist China said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

"Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China is conducted under a wide variety of laws and administrative regulations. There are no specific laws or regulations which the censorship follows. In accordance with these laws, more than sixty Internet regulations have been made by the People's Republic of China (PRC) government, and censorship systems are vigorously implemented by provincial branches of state-owned ISPs, business companies, and organizations.[1][2]

The censorship is not applied in Hong Kong and Macau, as they are special entities recognized by international treaty vested with independent judicial power[3] and not subject to most laws of the PRC,[4] including those requiring the restriction of free flow of information.

The escalation of the government's effort to neutralize critical online opinion comes after a series of large anti-Japanese, anti-pollution, anti-corruption protests, and ethnic riots, many of which were organized or publicized using instant messaging services, chat rooms, and text messages. The size of the Internet police is rumored at more than 50,000.[5] Critical comments appearing on Internet forums, blogs, and major portals such as Sohu and Sina usually are erased within minutes.

The apparatus of the PRC's Internet repression is considered more extensive and more advanced than in any other country in the world. The regime not only blocks website content but also monitors the Internet access of individuals. Amnesty International notes that China “has the largest recorded number of imprisoned journalists and cyber-dissidents in the world.” The offences of which they are accused include communicating with groups abroad, opposing the persecution of the Falun Gong, signing online petitions, and calling for reform and an end to corruption.[6]...

[1] ^ "II. How Censorship Works in China: A Brief Overview". Human Rights Watch. http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/3.htm. Retrieved 30 August 2006.
[2] ^ Chinese Laws and Regulations Regarding Internet
[3] ^ Hong Kong Basic Law, Chapter II Article 19
[4] ^ Hong Kong Basic Law, Chapter II Article 18
[5] ^ Watts, Jonathan (14 June 2005). "China's secret Internet police target critics with web of propaganda". London: The Guardian. http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1505988,00.html#article_continue.
[6] ^ http://www.internetfreedom.org/Background Background Global Internet Freedom Consortium (do not download anything from this site - it is a known Trojan supplier)..."

Yated gang copies Communist China said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#Enforcement

"Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Enforcement

In December 1997, Public Security minister Zhu Entao released new regulations to be enforced by the ministry that inflict fines for 'defaming government agencies,' 'splitting the nation,' and leaking "state secrets." Violators could face a fine up to 15,000 Yuan ($1800).[10] Banning appears mostly coordinated and ad hoc, with some sites blocked, yet similar sites allowed or even blocked in one city and allowed in another.[11] The blocks have often been lifted for special occasions. For example, The New York Times was unblocked when reporters in a private interview with Jiang Zemin specifically asked about the block and he replied that he would look into the matter. During the APEC summit in Shanghai during 2001, normally-blocked media sources such as CNN, NBC, and the Washington Post became accessible. Since 2001, the content controls have been further relaxed on a permanent basis, and all three of the sites previously mentioned are now accessible from mainland China. However, access to the New York Times was briefly re-blocked as of 20 December 2008,[12] although it has been accessible for the first months of 2009 as of 17 May. The Chinese-language service of BBC News is still blocked.

Section Five of the Computer Information Network and Internet Security, Protection, and Management Regulations approved by the State Council on 11 December 1997 states the following:

No unit or individual may use the Internet to create, replicate, retrieve, or transmit the following kinds of information:

1. Inciting to resist or breaking the Constitution or laws or the implementation of administrative regulations;
2. Inciting to overthrow the government or the socialist system;
3. Inciting division of the country, harming national unification;
4. Inciting hatred or discrimination among nationalities or harming the unity of the nationalities;
5. Making falsehoods or distorting the truth, spreading rumors, destroying the order of society;
6. Promoting feudal superstitions, sexually suggestive material, gambling, violence, murder;
7. Terrorism or inciting others to criminal activity; openly insulting other people or distorting the truth to slander people;
8. Injuring the reputation of state organizations;
9. Other activities against the Constitution, laws or administrative regulations.[13]...

[10] ^ a b Harwit, Eric. "China's Telecommunications Revolution." New York: Oxford University Press, 2008.
[11] ^ for an example, see Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China
[12] ^ Bradsher, Keith (20 December 2008). "China Blocks Access to The Times's Web Site". The New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/20/world/asia/20china.html?ref=todayspaper. Retrieved 31 March 2010.
[13] ^ Abbott, Jason P. The Political Economy of the Internet in Asia and the Pacific Digital Divides, Economic Competitiveness, and Security Challenges. New York: Praeger, 2004..."

Yated gang copies Communist China said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Shield_Project

"Golden Shield Project

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Golden Shield Project (Chinese: 金盾工程; pinyin: jīndùn gōngchéng), colloquially referred to as the Great Firewall of China[1] (防火长城) is a censorship and surveillance project operated by the Ministry of Public Security (MPS) division of the government of the People's Republic of China. The project started in 1998 and began operations in November 2003.

History

In 1998 the Communist Party of China feared the China Democracy Party (CDP) would breed a powerful new network that the party elites might not be able to control.[2] The CDP was immediately banned followed by arrests and imprisonment.[3] That same year the Golden Shield project was started. The first part of the project lasted eight years and was completed in 2006. The second part began in 2006 and ended in 2008. On 6 December 2002, 300 people in charge of the Golden Shield project from 31 provinces and cities throughout China participated in a four-day inaugural “Comprehensive Exhibition on Chinese Information System”.[4] At the exhibition, many western high-tech products including Internet security, video monitoring and human face recognition, were purchased. It is estimated that around 30,000 police are employed in this gigantic project.[citation needed]

It has been nicknamed the Great Firewall of China (防火长城) in reference to its role as a network firewall and to the ancient Great Wall of China. A major part of the project includes the ability to block content by preventing IP addresses from being routed through and consists of standard firewalls and proxy servers at the Internet gateways. The system also selectively engages in DNS poisoning when particular sites are requested. The government does not appear to be systematically examining Internet content, as this appears to be technically impractical.[5] Because of its disconnection from the larger world of IP routing protocols, the network contained within the Great Firewall has been described as "the Chinese autonomous routing domain".[6]...

Purpose

In September 2002, Li Runsen, the technology director at Ministry of Public Security and member of the Golden Shield leadership, further explained this broad definition to thousands of police nationwide at a meeting in Beijing called "Information Technology for China’s Public Security".

In October 2001, Greg Walton of the International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development published a report; he wrote:

Old style censorship is being replaced with a massive, ubiquitous architecture of surveillance: the Golden Shield. Ultimately, the aim is to integrate a gigantic online database with an all-encompassing surveillance network – incorporating speech and face recognition, closed-circuit television, smart cards, credit records, and Internet surveillance technologies.[8]

In July 2007, authorities intensified the "monitoring and control" of The Great Firewall, causing email disruption, in anticipation of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation meeting scheduled for August 2007.[9]...

[1] ^ Pippa Norris, World Bank. Pippa Norris. ed...
[2] ^ Goldman, Merle Goldman. Gu, Edward X. [2004] (2004). Chinese Intellectuals between State and Market. Routledge publishing. ISBN 0415325978
[3] ^ Goldsmith, Jack L.; Wu, Tim (2006). Who Controls the Internet?: Illusions of Borderless World. Oxford university press. p. 91. ISBN 01895152662..."

Yated gang copies Communist China said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#Green_Dam_Youth_Escort

"Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Green Dam Youth Escort

Main article: Green Dam Youth Escort

A notice[32] issued by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology on 19 May stated that, as of 1 July 2009, manufacturers must ship machines to be sold in mainland China with the Green Dam software, and that manufacturers are required to report the number of machines shipped with the software to the government.[33] The official statement claimed its objective was "to build a green, healthy, and harmonious online environment, and to avoid the effects on and the poisoning of our youth's minds by harmful information on the internet".[34]

A senior official of the Internet Affairs Bureau of the State Council Information Office said the software's only purpose was "to filter pornography on the Internet". Foreign ministry official, Qin Gang said the internet had always been open in China and that the government's administration of it to prevent the spread of harmful information was in accordance with the law. The general manager of Jinhui, which developed Green Dam, said: "Our software is simply not capable of spying on Internet users, it is only a filter."[35]

Human rights advocates and internet users in China have been especially critical, saying that while the software is ostensibly aimed at protecting users against pornography on the web, it "is really a thinly concealed attempt by the government to expand censorship".[36] Online polls conducted on Sina, Netease, Tencent and Sohu revealed overwhelming (>70%) rejection of the software by netizens.[37] A poll conducted by the Southern Metropolis Daily showed similar results.[38]

On 10 June, the Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China Central Committee issued an instruction requiring the Chinese media to stop publishing questioning or critical opinions. The instruction also required online forums to block and remove "offensive speech evolved from the topic" promptly.[39] Xinhua later commented that "support [for Green Dam] largely stems from end users, opposing opinions primarily come from a minority of media outlets and businesses".[40][41]

On 14 August 2009, Li Yizhong, minister of industry and information technology, announced that computer manufacturers and retailers were no longer obliged to ship the software with new computers for home or business use, but that schools, internet cafes and other public use computers would still be required to run the software...

[32] ^ "China News: Ministry Of Industry And Information Technology | China Digital Times (CDT)".
[33] ^ Chao, Loretta (8 June 2009). "China Squeezes PC Makers". Wall Street Journal..."

Yated gang copies losers said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia#Blocking_of_Wikipedia

"History of Wikipedia

Blocking of Wikipedia

Wikipedia has been blocked on some occasions by national authorities. To date these have related to the People's Republic of China, Iran, Syria, Pakistan,[174][175] Thailand, Tunisia, the United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

People's Republic of China

Main article: Blocking of Wikipedia by the People's Republic of China

The People's Republic of China and internet service providers in mainland China have adopted a practice of blocking contentious Web sites and Wikimedia sites have been blocked multiple times in its history, sometimes all articles, and sometimes selectively by topic, region, language version, or ISP. Notable blocks include:

1. June 2004: Access to the Chinese Wikipedia from Beijing blocked on the fifteenth anniversary of the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989...
2. September 2004: A second and less serious outage. Access to Wikipedia was erratic or unavailable to some users in mainland China...a popular Peking University-based BBS that was shut down a few weeks earlier for hosting overtly radical political discussions.[citation needed]
3. October 2005 to around mid October 2006...

On 31 July 2008, the BBC reported that the Chinese Wikipedia had been unblocked that day in China; it had still been blocked the previous day. This came within the context of foreign journalists arriving in Beijing to report on the upcoming Olympic Games, and websites such as the Chinese edition of the BBC were being unblocked following talks between the International Olympic Committee and the Games' Chinese organisers.[180]

Syria

Access to Arabic Wikipedia was blocked between 30 April 2008 and 13 February 2009. (Other languages were accessible).

Thailand

Wikipedia's article on Thailand's King Bhumibol Adulyadej has been blocked by most Thai ISPs since October 2008 due to lèse majesté concerns.

Tunisia

Wikimedia website was blocked for a few days in Tunisia (23 November 2006 – 27 November 2006).

Pakistan

According to local bloggers and Internet community in Pakistan, access to Wikipedia was restricted for several hours in March 2006.

United Kingdom

Main article: Internet Watch Foundation and Wikipedia

On 5 December 2008, users in the United Kingdom were affected by a block of a page (Virgin Killer) and associated picture (File:Virgin Killer.jpg), following a claim that the image was "potentially illegal" under the Protection of Children Act 1978. An estimated 95% of British users were affected by the block, which was put in place on the recommendation of the Internet Watch Foundation.[181] The IWF's recommendation was rescinded on 9 December 2008.[182]

Uzbekistan

Access to Uzbek Wikipedia was blocked in Uzbekistan on 10 January 2008;[citation needed] the block was lifted 5 March 2008. This was the second time Wikipedia had been blocked in Uzbekistan; the first case was in 2007..."

Anonymous said...

>The three mega chillul Hashem's of the Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer fiascos under the tutelage of Rabbi Aron Shechter.<

Don't tell me that's the same Schechter-creep who went after a nearby wig store which dared to have pics of women wearing wigs in their storefront??

Yated gang signs on to Internet censorship said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship

"Internet censorship

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Internet censorship

is control or suppression of the publishing or accessing of information on the Internet. The legal issues are similar to offline censorship.

One difference is that national borders are more permeable online: residents of a country that bans certain information can find it on websites hosted outside the country. A government can try to prevent its citizens from viewing these even if it has no control over the websites themselves. Filtering can be based on a blacklist or be dynamic. In the case of a blacklist, that list is usually not published. The list may be produced manually or automatically.

Barring total control over Internet-connected computers, such as in North Korea, total censorship of information on the Internet is very difficult (or impossible) to achieve due to the underlying distributed technology of the Internet. Pseudonymity and data havens (such as Freenet) allow unconditional free speech, as the technology guarantees that material cannot be removed and the author of any information is impossible to link to a physical identity or organization.

In some cases, Internet censorship may involve deceit. In such cases the censoring authority may block content while leading the public to believe that censorship has not been applied. This may be done by having the ISP provide a fake "Not Found" error message upon the request of an Internet page that is actually found but blocked (see 404 error for details).

In November 2007, "Father of the Internet" Vint Cerf stated that he sees Government-led control of the Internet failing due to private ownership. Many internet experts use the term "splinternet" to describe some of the effects of national firewalls..."

Shalom Tendler said...

Naked man Tasered three times and arrested in Florida while screaming, 'I'm the king of the world'

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/17/2011-01-17_naked_man_tasered_three_times_and_arrested_in_florida_while_screaming_im_the_kin.html#ixzz1BMQpN2DV

Anonymous said...

Schorr is rosh yeshiva of Ohr Sameach Monsey that covered up for a BT talmid of the yeshiva investigated by a grand jury for date rape and who has a long rap sheet of making strong arm physical moves on girls he dated.

Yated gang joins tyrants aiming to crush Cyber dissidents said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-dissident

"Cyber-dissident
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A cyber-dissident is a professional journalist or citizen journalist who posts news, information, or commentary on the internet that implies criticism of a government or regime.

At least two nonprofit organizations are currently working to raise awareness of the contributions of cyber-dissidents and to defend them against the human rights violations to which some of them are subjected: Global Voices Online and Reporters Without Borders. The latter has released a Handbook For Bloggers and Cyber-Dissidents and maintains a roster of currently imprisoned cyber-dissidents. The Committee to Protect Bloggers has been created [2]

In regions where print and broadcast media are tightly controlled, anonymous online postings by cyber-dissidents may be the only source of information about the experiences, feelings, and opinions of ordinary citizens. This advantage may be offset by the difficulty in assessing the good faith and accuracy of reports originating from anonymous sources.

Cyber-dissidents appears in the dystopic theatrical play Fahrenheit 56K about a fictional dictatorship where dissidents expose their wailings against the Party through Internet.

Persecution of Cyber-Dissidents

China

In 2003, Cai Lujun was imprisoned for posting a series of articles online under the pen name "盼民主"("expecting for democracy") criticizing the Chinese government.[1]

Egypt

In 2006, several bloggers in Egypt were arrested for allegedly defaming the president Hosni Mubarak and expressing critical views about Islam [2]
[edit] Iran

In 2005, Mohamad Reza Nasab Abdolahi was imprisoned for publishing an open letter to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei; Mohamad's pregnant wife and other bloggers who commented on Mohamad's treatment were also imprisoned. [3]

Russia

When Russian president Vladimir Putin in 2006 called on his nation's women to have more children, journalist Vladimir Rakhmankov published a satiric article on the Internet calling Putin "the nation's phallic symbol". Rakhmankov was found guilty of offending Vladimir Putin, and fined by the court of the region he lived in to the sum equal of 680 USD. The overall story served as a good adversiting for Rakhmanov's article, that was republished by numerous Russian sources afterwards. [3] [4] [5] [6]

Three Russian bloggers has supposed in 2003, that Russian state security service FSB, the main successor to the KGB, created special teams of people who appear on various blogs to harass and intimidate political bloggers and thus effectively prevent free discussion of undesirable subjects [7] They referred to such tactics are known as "active measures". A Russian criticist of this theory has noted in 2003, that security services have more important tasks than flooding in forums. [8]

Vietnam

The Digital Freedom Network has pointed out cases of imprisoning cyber-dissidents in Vietnam, such as the 2004 case of Pham Que Dong, a former People's Army colonel, military historian who had quit the Communist Party in 1999. For publicly discussing issues related to corruption in the official structures and encouraging democratic reforms, he was charged with "abuse of democratic freedoms" and imprisoned.[9]..."

Yated gang discovered to be Fahrenheit 56K dictatorship said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_56K

"Fahrenheit 56K

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fahrenheit 56K is a dystopical theatrical play whose author is the Spanish Fernando de Querol Alcaraz. Its main subjects are the censorship, the freedom of speech and Internet. It is partly inspired by novel Nineteen Eighty-Four of George Orwell and by novel Fahrenheit 451 of Ray Bradbury. The title makes reference to the novel Fahrenheit 451 and the old modems of 56K.

Society

In Fahrenheit 56K a dictatorial society appears although the use of free Internet is not prohibited. The Party, whose Supreme Head is the Leader, dominates the State. The Party is despotic and corrupt, it falsifies History and it refuses to believe any accusations that they have either lied or made mistakes. An institution named “The Science Assembly” is set-up to change and use all known knowledge to be beneficial and helpful to the Party.

The Party commits many frauds although it tries to discredit the rumors by means of propaganda. Denying the Party's doctrine in the issues it fell are more important, is punishable by imprisonment.Other issues are dealt with by the use of Propaganda, insults, mockery and stigmatise the dissidents like mental patients. Within the Party there are intrigues and power struggles. The present Leader was able to overthrow the previous Leader and he accused him of numerous frauds, although he is guilty for the same reasons. A private organization named “The Rationalist Alliance” exists. This organization in its propaganda promotes an unconditional confidence in the Party and its doctrines.


Personages...

The Master

...He is in favor of the democracy and the freedom of speech and is in discord with the persecution of The Heretic. He does not like the Party nor The Science Assembly. He is against the persecution of Muslims. He is currently preparing a book which refutes the arguments of the Heretic. This is one one of the only issues in which the Party and the Master agree upon. He thinks that the truth is defended with the argumentation and not with the persecution.

The Heretic

The Heretic has written several books that contradict to the Party in various matters, which he sells in a local bookshop. Due to these books the Party wants to locate and arrest him. He is in favour of the ideology of democracy and freedom of speech...

Although they do not agree in a doctrine, The Master and The Heretic are respected, they are in favor of the freedom of speech and think that the truth must be defended by the rational argumentation and not by dogmatism.

The Leader

The Leader is the Supreme Head of the Party. After several struggles with his predecessors, he was able to overthrow the previous Leader and formulated many accusations of frauds against him, although he had collaborated in many of those frauds. He wishes to promote amongst the population an absolute and unconditional loyalty to the Party and its doctrines. The Party gives contradictory versions successively and the Leader is angry that many citizens remember the previous versions.

The Inquisitor

The Inquisitor is a high leader of the State. He tries to locate and arrest The Heretic. Like the Party, he despises democracy and freedom of speech and thinks that it is right to force people to believe in the Party's policies, despite their unwillingness. He considers democracy as a ridiculous and mediocre regime and considers the dissidents to be like mental patients. He sends the propaganda to foment an unconditional loyalty amongst the population..."

Osher Yotzar Kalmanowitz behind the VIN ban said...

Thar she blows, Osher Yotzar Kalmanowitz, the guy who with his brother Yaakov, teamed up with Tropper to cook up the ban against Slifkin, is now revealed as the slimeball who has nothing better to do than work for the "ban" of VIN as well, according to reports surfacing on the Jewish blogosphere. Seems Osher Yotzar Kalmanowitz was getting back at VIN because of VIN allowing negative comments about jailed Mir Yeshiva supporter the swindler Leib Pinter, another friend of Leib Tropper's when they worked to ban Slifkin's books. Only thing is that now Pinter is in jail, while Tropper was forced to resign in disgrace, but has not deterred Osher Yotzar Kalmanowitz from throwing himself into the VIN ban, joining forces with a variety of reactionaries from the Satmar and yeshivish world. Aron Schechter of Chaim Berlin Yeshiva and Osher Yotzar of the Mir Yeshiva make a very good pair of neighborly trouble-makers in Flatbush, Brooklyn it seems. Too bad they don't have better things to do like run their yeshivas full time and teach Torah to their talmidim and set a good example instead of running around and "banning" one thing after another.

Here is how it's being reported on FailedMessiah.com:

"January 17, 2011

Exclusive: The Rabbi Behind The VIN Ban?

We know the name of the activist behind the ban. Do we now know the name of the rabbi who supported him and made the ban a reality?

As first reported here, Shimon Weiser is the activist behind the Vos Iz Neias ban.

But no ban like this really works without having a 'gadol' or major haredi rabbi who wants it to happen and who backs the ban.

A source close to the VIN ban tells me that rabbi is the rosh yeshiva of the Mir Yeshiva in Brooklyn, Asher Kalmanowitz.

The reason for his support seems to be a vendetta against Vos Iz Neias going back to the days when Rabbi Leib Pinter was indicted and convicted of a major scam. Pinter is now in Federal prison.

But during the that process, Pinter was allegedly linked to the Mir by commenters on VIN – something that enraged Kalmanowitz – and the ban is supposedly payback.

VIN's reposted story of Pinter's conviction does not use Pinter's name – VIN edited it out, replacing it with the initials LB – but commenters out him.

In the haredi world, reporting the truth – even in highly censored form – does not protect you from the wrath of rabbis."

Osher Yotzar Kalmanowitz behind the VIN ban and now pushing the Yated gang along as well said...

Part 1, from Yerachmiel Lopin

Lopin goes deeper into the links between the too clever-by-half machinations by Osher Yotzar Kalmanowitz in the VIN "ban" and in fact points out something VERY important that connects to the next phase of the WAR ON THE JEWISH BLOGOSPHERE declared in the Yated by its editor in chief Pinchos Lipschmutz:

"Why Rabbi Kalmanowitz Might Hate the Internet Enough to Support the VIN Ban

by Yerachmiel Lopin on 01/17/2011

Shmarya Rosenberg of Failed Messiah reported today that the gadol (prominent ultra orthodox rabbi) who helped secure prominent Lithuanian yeshivish signatures for the VIN ban was Rabbi Asher Eliyahu Kalmanowitz the Rosh Yeshiva (Dean ) of the Mir Yeshiva. According to Shmarya the motive was anger at VIN for comments allowed through about Leib Pinter at the time of his sentencing for fraud in March 2009. Although the name was censored out, it is clear from the comments that they knew whom they were talking about.

If it was Kalmanowitz I could see him getting the proposed ban to Lakewood through Pinchos (Pinny) Lipschutz. Pinny is related to the Kalmanowitz family through his uncle R. Elya Svei. He now has deep political links to Lakewood as well. R. Svei was the dominant figure in the Lakewood world after R. Aaron Kotler died and even more so, after R. Schneur Kotler died. A well-informed insider has told me that R. Svei helped R. Malkiel get the heter meah rabbonim to remarry even though his first wife from the Feinstein family refused to accept a get.

I got curious about Shmarya’s claim that the Mir Yeshiva was sensitive about their relationship with Leib Pinter. So I Googled “Leib Pinter” and Mir. Lo and behold my first hit was the Mirrer Yeshiva News for December 8, 2005 and the posting title was “Comments on Posts.” It starts off as follows.

The Board Of Directors has just finished an emergency meeting and we have decided that until further notice we will be moderating ALL comments that are posted to the Blog. . . . . . The reason for this decision is that there are unfortunately quite a few immature individuals who keep posting comments that are completely out of line.

The fun continues in some of the comments that followed:

Mir Bochur: Was Lieb Pinter by this board meeting?

Board of Directors: No, he was not.

Just Wondering: Does leib pinter still have the position of being in charge of running the Mirrer main office, and day to day activities in the yeshiva. Is he still the Consultant and Advisor of the Rosh Yeshiva, on everything that goes on in the yeshiva.

Anonymous:

LEIB HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MIRRER YESHIVA!!!
WHAT MADE YOU THINK THAT HE DOES?? OH–HE MADE YOU THINK SO?? I GUESS HE FEELS ACCOMPLISHED…

just wondering: Anonymous said… “LEIB HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MIRRER YESHIVA!!! WHAT MADE YOU THINK THAT HE DOES?”..."

Osher Yotzar Kalmanowitz behind the VIN ban and now pushing the Yated gang along as well said...

Part 2, from Yerachmiel Lopin

Lopin posts what he has found on an old Mirrer Yeshiva blog, continued:

"NOTHING MAKES ME THINK SO, I KNOW SO, FACT, FACT, FACT. FACT IS LEIB PINTER WAS RUNNING THE MIRRER YESHIVA AND RUNNING THE ROSHEI YESHIVA, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. DURING THE PAST FEW YEARS NOBODY LIFTED A FINGER OR SNEEZED WHITHOUT HIS APPROVAL. “NOBODY” INCLUDES THE ROSHEI YESHIVAS ALSO.

THE “QUESTION” IS NOT “DID HE RUN THE YESHIVA”. “HE DID RUN THE YESHIVA” THE “QUESTION” IS “DOES HE STILL RUN THE YESHIVA”

Board Of Directors: The Board Of Directors just had a vote and decided to allow this conversation to continue. BEFORE POSTING PLEASE HAVE ACCURATE, VALID, AND VERIFIED INFORMATION ONLY.

MYK troublemaker 80′s: To just wondering: IF leib ‘used to’ run the yeshiva…that’s a thing of the past!! B”H. For now… he just RUNS AROUND the yeshiva (Like the boy who got thrown out of class & can’t get back in…..people have rachmanis & ‘make use of him’ for odd jobs). It doesnt mean that the yeshiva agrees with what he says or does (just like the menahel & rebbi don’t agree with the troublemaker kid who hangs around the office.) WHAT CAN WE DO IF KLAL YISROEL ARE RACHMANIM B’NEI RACHMANIM?

This is not inept moderation and repression. It is a blog by Mir insiders distressed by its deterioration. The last post on May 7, 2008 is, “Rav Osher Kalmanowitz Leaves Mirrer Yeshiva, Places his 27-year-old “Yunger-Pisher” Eidim To Give Shiur.” The blog points to the sad fact that the yeshiva was divided among too many inheritors, not all talented, but all insisting on a shiur. Students began avoiding some of the pathetic “roshei yeshiva.” In turn, the administration resorted to controlling assignments to shiurim to ensure some students for everyone. This led to dissatisfaction and the loss of a significant number of better students. In sum a typical institution that can’t get itself to do the right thing so it tries to control others and suppress the truth.

The last posting ends with this:

Just 4 months ago, Rav Osher Kalmanowitz adamantly refused to allow Rav Avrumi Berenbaum to deliver the Shiur (bimakom the R”Y zatzal), while Rav Asher Dov Berenbaum would remain Rosh Yeshiva. This was nothing more then a set-up by the Kalmanowitz Mishpacha to push the Berenbaum’s out of the Yeshiva. Just a public message for everyone out there, be advised that although it may seem rosy and quiet out there, just stay tuned for something big about to destroy the Kalmanowitz “hijacking”.

I have no idea why the blog stopped posting in 2008. Perhaps the blogger was outed and threatened. Perhaps the blogger just got tired. However, it is easy to see why Rabbi Kalmanowitz would hate the open Internet, especially the comments, especially when he is in an ugly power play against the other inheritors in the system and had an embarrassing dependence on a crook. VIN’s Pinter story in 2009 would have upset him. It was already a sore point in 2005.

I am still piecing together the entire story of the ban which was the product of coalition of rabbonim, each with their own special interests. In time most of the important details will come out. The folks who sign bans for political reasons should start realizing that the bans expose their political machinations to the community thereby undermining their credibility.
"

Asher Kalmanowitz Have You No Shame said...

The man who failed to fill his father's and grandfather's shoes, 1

Dear Asher Eliyahu Kalmanowitz, what is the matter with you?

When did you first come down with the sickness of falshe kano'es (fake fanaticism)?

Why do you have those funny little peyos (side-curls) on either side of your head and wear that funny hat when neither your father nor grandfather dressed or looked like that? They looked and acted like real old time true Litvish rabbonim but you look like a Chasidisha reject.

What's up with you that you run around "banning" books, people and websites, like chasing demons in the night? It is just not normal and it makes you look in gantzen meshuga! Go ask a good psychologist what he would tell you!

You know, your heilige zeida, the late Rav Avrohom Kalmanowitz z"l would never have hurt a fly. He didn't use "bans" to get his way. He always had a smile on his face. He was not afraid to appeal for help from less religious Jews and he loved them like his own brothers. Always with kindness and warmth. He knew the secret that you can catch bees with honey and not with vinegar! He was famous for entering the highest offices of the US government during World War Two and getting them to do his bidding by....CRYING with real tears....and by....FAINTING from the true agmas nefesh and deep pain he was feeling for his fellow Jews suffering in the Holocaust and stuck in Siberia or Shanhai. And you know that, he got his way by CRYING and FAINTING and NOT by angry and cruel "bans" or "kol korehs" and wars and vendettas on other people.

The matzav (not the website silly) then, meaning the "situation" was a TRILLION times a gazillion times worse for Klal Yisroel during the Churban of World War Two when innocent Jews were being murdered by the millions, but your heilige zeida NEVER lost his humanity and he was always an eidele refined Yid!

But take a look at you, you make friends with jailed ganovim like Leib Pinter and disgraced sex monsters and manipulators of the worst kind like Leib Tropper and with them you teamed up to destroy the reputation and name of Rabbi Noson Slifkin because YOU feared and hated his ideas.

Instead of engaging in constructive discussions, you resorted to Bolshevist and NKVD tactics to dirty and bashmutz and bring down Slifkin in a way that would have horrified your heilige Zeide Rav Avrohom Kalmanowitz z"l and your hard working father Rav Shraga Moshe Kalmanowitz z"l.

Shame on you!

Asher Kalmanowitz Have You No Shame said...

The man who failed to fill his father's and grandfather's shoes, 2

Let's face it Asher Eliyahu Kalmanowitz, your are a disgrace.

What does that mean? It means, that someone with your lineage, with a true gadol like Rav Avrohom Kalmanowitz z"l as a grandfather whose family name you drag through the mud with your crazy behavior, while your grandfather worked day and night to SAVE his fellow Jews, as many as he could, not like you that spends lots of time fighting and destroying fellow Jews.

Look how your grandfather succeeded in helping the Mirrer Yeshiva survive during the Holocaust and send it help during the war when such things were considered impossible and then how he helped them to come over to America and from that came three big yeshivas, the Mirrer Yeshiva and Bais HaTalmud Yeshivas in Brooklyn, and the big Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem, all based on your grandfather's super human efforts blessed by G-d.

What have you done to match or emulate that?

Anything?

You banned Slifkin instead! Now there are reports you are behind the ban on VIN, all as you fight inside your yeshiva for more and more control trampling on anyone to get your way. Do you think people can suffer in silence forever and never speak up against you?

You had a father like Rav Shraga Moshe Kalmanowitz z"l who made sure to raise money ALL THE TIME, he never slept and worried himself 24/7 about the yeshiva, and DAVENED (prayed) with all his power like a true Yid, not fake prayers to destroy people and think up bans and kol korehs as if he was in Meah Shearim (a bad practice you picked up in Eretz Yisrawyell) but your father's prayers came from the heart that anyone could see for themselves.

There was no time for "bans" when the yeshiva was starving and he did not fight all the time with the true gedolim and roshei yeshiva inside his own yeshiva, and he was respected for that unlike you who battles people day and night and cannot raise the money to support your yeshiva as can be witnessed by anyone who passes by the rusting hulk on top of the roof of your yeshiva on Ocean Parkway in Brooklyn that was supposed to be the new "extension" but for years has instead become just a glorified massive toilet for all the pigeons in Brooklyn to come and roost on your head and drop their droppings on YOU, and you know what, you deserve it 100% because you are rotten and a scoundrel to the core!

Asher Kalmanowitz Have You No Shame said...

The man who failed to fill his father's and grandfather's shoes, 3

You know Asher Eliyahu Kalmanowitz, what you do inside your own yeshiva is your business.

It's something you need to sort out yourself with your family. By all accounts you are battling your uncle's family the Birnbaums which is a shame because he was the top son in law of your grandfather. Rav Shmuel Birnbaum z"l was a true gadol baTorah everyone attests to that and he even refused to be invited and sit on the Agudah's so-called "Moetzes" because he had his priorities straight, he was a masmid and loved learning and was glued to the bais medrash.

Rav Shmuel Birnbaum's only thoughts were Torah thoughts. And that is why he was loved and respected by all sectors of Torah Jewry. He was sought out to help people in distress and he gave endless hours to sit and talk and STOP machlokes. Not like you who loves to think of a thousand new ways to make machlokes and create bitterness.

You are so far from that it's scary and almost pointless to talk to you about that.

But here's the thing, you now want to push out and destroy the Birnbaums when your part of the family is not much greater or better. It's not as if anyone great is floating around the Mirrer bais medrash. This may come as a shock to you, but today, once bochurim are taught how to make a leining on a blat gemora by the time they graduate high school, they don't have much patience for too many shiurim and roshei yeshiva. If they love learning they want to be left alone and keep on learning as much Gemora as they can get under their belts.

Lakewood has figured out this secret a long time ago and that is why people go there to learn without pressure from people at the top like you. But that is all your business.

Your late father never fought wars with your uncle that anyone knew about. They divided the responsibilities of running the yeshiva, Rav Shmuel was in charge of learning and your father was in charge of the money and it worked because neither of them forgot their missions and neither of them got involved with machlokes outside of the yeshiva, UNLIKE you, no matter what.

They certainly did not run around trying to ruin people's lives because they disagreed with them. Did your father or grandfather get involved in fighting wars against YU or the Reform or Conservatives in their day? Nope! They knew it was a waste of time and that ONLY 100% limud HaTorah was what counted.

You on the other hand think it's a mitzva de'oraisa to get involved in destroying Slifkin, banning blogs and who knows what else you have up your tricky sleeve.

Falshe kano'us (fake zealotry) gone awry!

Asher Kalmanowitz Have You No Shame said...

The man who failed to fill his father's and grandfather's shoes, 4

Asher Eliyahu Kalmanowitz, two blogs focused on you yesterday, this one is pretty reliable, its run by a guy called Yerachmiel Lopin and this is what he said about you:

"Why Rabbi Kalmanowitz Might Hate the Internet Enough to Support the VIN Ban

by Yerachmiel Lopin on 01/17/2011

Shmarya Rosenberg ["Exclusive: The Rabbi Behind The VIN Ban?"] of Failed Messiah reported today that the gadol (prominent ultra orthodox rabbi) who helped secure prominent Lithuanian yeshivish signatures for the VIN ban was Rabbi Asher Eliyahu Kalmanowitz the Rosh Yeshiva (Dean ) of the Mir Yeshiva. According to Shmarya the motive was anger at VIN for comments allowed through about Leib Pinter at the time of his sentencing for fraud in March 2009. Although the name was censored out, it is clear from the comments that they knew whom they were talking about.

If it was Kalmanowitz I could see him getting the proposed ban to Lakewood through Pinchos (Pinny) Lipschutz. Pinny is related to the Kalmanowitz family through his uncle R. Elya Svei. He now has deep political links to Lakewood as well. R. Svei was the dominant figure in the Lakewood world after R. Aaron Kotler died and even more so, after R. Schneur Kotler died. A well-informed insider has told me that R. Svei helped R. Malkiel get the heter meah rabbonim to remarry even though his first wife from the Feinstein family refused to accept a get.

I got curious about Shmarya’s claim that the Mir Yeshiva was sensitive about their relationship with Leib Pinter. So I Googled “Leib Pinter” and Mir. Lo and behold my first hit was the Mirrer Yeshiva News for December 8, 2005 and the posting title was “Comments on Posts.” It starts off as follows.

The Board Of Directors has just finished an emergency meeting and we have decided that until further notice we will be moderating ALL comments that are posted to the Blog. . . . . . The reason for this decision is that there are unfortunately quite a few immature individuals who keep posting comments that are completely out of line."

Do you deny any of this? It seems pretty typical of you and also very alarming?

Don't you realize that sometimes the best strategy is to "let sleeping dogs lie" and avoid the hornets' nest and not get involved with fights against blogs on the Internet!

America is not Bnai Brak, you are no longer in Czarist Russia, and the Internet cannot be "controlled" even though some dictatorships fancy that they can, and sadly you come across looking like a silly tin pot dictator in picking fights to destroy blogs like VIN like you got involved in the fight to destroy Slifkin.

But while Slifkin was one man and his books were his, the Internet does not belong to anyone and by trying to control content and intimidate Jewish blogs and bloggers as your pal and cousin Pinchos Lipschmutz is now trying to do backed up by other rabbis, it creates an atmosphere of confrontation and resistance that will not win over the people you are trying to convince.

Of course, in your mentality you don't care, you are fighting a war of annihilation which is all very sad because it just proves how far you have drifted from the ways of peace practiced and adhered to by your saintly grandfather and father.

Asher Kalmanowitz Have You No Shame said...

The man who failed to fill his father's and grandfather's shoes, 5

Asher Eliyahu Kalmanowitz while your father and grandfather were the victims of war and ran as far and as much away from any type or taint of war, and machlokes and falshe kano'us is a way of war, don't kid yourself, you run towards war and foment it.

Face it, you love fighting, and intrigue and backstabbing, and arguing with other people to assert your power to make it clear who is the "big man on the range" while your grandfther would never dream of doing such things, his natural ge'onus shone through and in turn people responded to that, and the natural anivus and lomdus of your uncle Rav Shmuel Birnbaum z"l and other Mirrer roshei yeshiva like Rav Shmuel Brudny z"l and all the other true alte Mirrer Litvishe geonim and tzadikm were truly humble men, and did NOT have a shemetz of ga'ava and haughtiness or anger in their bones.

Unfortunately, you have an Israeli outlook that likes hand to hand combat and fighting. That lives by the creed of destroying your enemies at every turn. How vicious. What makes this all the more dangerous is when it's let loose on the klal and the tzibur that does not wish to be bullied by people like you. So you do it by levering and manipulating the Moetzes or other influential rabbonim to climb on your war bandwagons.

The reports that you may be influencing your cousin Pinchos Lipschmutz is alarming.

He is by nature a more friendly man since he is in the PR business of selling newspapers and being popular but now he may be getting influenced by people like you and Aron Schechter who knows the crafts of machlokes and destroying people a million more times than you.

We should all feel bad for Yated owner Pinchos Lipschutz that he's being made into a true Pinchos LipschMutz by the likes of you and Aron Schechter two veteran baalei machlokes who hated Slifkin and were willing to go to war against him to destroy Slifkin, and that Schechter signed on to the "ban" against VIN. Schechter is also in a legal war in courtsending his son in law to back up Michael Hersh to fight blogs and bloggers
hat fits in well with your lurid confrontationalism. This does not bode well for you, or for Klal Yisroel because machlokes and any forms of fighting like this in the media and online is not good.

You need to accept that you live in an open society and that if wrongs are pointed out, try to say you will check it out and root out corruption and dismiss any wrongdoers and not engage in cover-ups, denials and stupid distractions by blaming all your problems on Slifkin, or VIN, or blogs or anything, just try to fix your own problems in an honest fashion.

But you are too emotionally crippled and twisted to do that. Too bad.

OU Crony Watch said...

The sad saga continues.

OU manager Rabbi Yaakov Luban, who was involved in the cover ups at Le Marais and Montefiore where the mashgichim were lynched trying to save the public from eating treif food, saw his son Shaul get arrested for witness tampering in Lakewood in the Kolko child molestation case.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/01/07/2011-01-07_driver_hits_kills_brooklyn_holocaust_survivior_moshe_adler.html

Now his other son Yosef has been arrested in Flatbush. He ran over & killed a Holocaust survivor in his 80s, Rav Moshe Adler who was visiting from Europe, where he was known as the Turda Rav. Yosef Luban was charged with aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle 3rd degree & a second lesser charge according to his arrest #K11601476 which means that NY State had already revoked his license stemming from Luban being a dangerous driver who has no business getting behind the wheel of a car.

Matzav reported part of the story making sure to leave Luban out of it.

Anonymous said...

צעיר עצורי יפן - יוסף בונדו, השתחרר במפתיע מהכלא הישראלי, לאחר שקיבל חנינה מנשיא המדינה • לאחר ביקורו בבית הגר"ח שמעו בני הבית דברים חריפים: "הוא הבין את המסר, אבל צריך להבהיר שלשמור על החוק זה לא זכות אלא חובה"

Rav Chaim Kanievski told the boy from Japan who was just released:
"We must remember the lesson..... One must follow the law!"


www.bhol.co.il

Old Torah Vodaas said...

Rebbitzen Pam ah niftar 2 weeks ago from a heart attack at 94.

"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...

http://education.yahoo.net/articles/degrees_that_pay_you_back.htm?kid=1C86P

Joe Putz said...

You should put that picture of Steve Mostofsky by that entry about him that shows the ape holding a gun to it's own head. The shmuck is running to court every week now trying to get money out of that freak Michael Hersh who stiffed him while pursuing the dragnet suit against anti-Agudah and anti-Chaim Berlin bloggers.

Anonymous said...

R' Aaron Schechter did not sign the ban against Slifkin.

When R' Elya Ber Wachtfogel went to R' Aaron Schechter to ask him to sign the ban against Slifkin (at the behest of Ruvi Shmeltzer), R' Aaron Schechter refused to sign, and he told R' Elya Ber that he doesn't see any apikorses in the book.

R' Elya Ber tried convincing him, but he refused.

[As heard from Behrenfeld, R' Elya Ber's driver]

As such, it is very surprising that R' Aaron Schechter signed against VIN. He must have been fed wrong information by those around him.

R' Aaron Schechter once told a gathering in his sukkah that the Rishonim made mistakes as well, and that there is no such thing as gedolim being infallible. R' Yankel Drillman [Yeshiva Bais Yosef Novardhok] was there as well, and R' Yankel repeated a Chasam Sofer that describes a machlokes Rashi Tosfos and Rambam in Chulin about the physical makeup of an animal, and the Chasam Sofer writes that Rashi and Tosfos wrote what they wrote because they simply didn't understand the reality of animals, however the Rambam's view is closer to reality.

[As heard from A. Rappaport, who was present]

Mirrer insider said...

My educated guess why R' Aron Schechter didn't sign against Slifkin is because R' Zelig didn't. Chaim Berlin is a Chassidus where the Rebbe alein R' Aron would usually defer to the zkan America. (R' Zelig was of course also the only one who could stop R' Aron's fanatical support of Hersh while he was still bachaim.) Another rosh yeshiva whose identity I will not reveal except to tell you he learned in Chaim Berlin, told me personally that he would not sign because he knows Leib Pinter is a lowlife and figured he must be up to no good when he started running around to gather support. I knew R' Zelig but did not ask him such a trivial question because I am pretty sure that Pinter's scumbag persona was also part of his calculation.

Mirrer insider said...

Let's not get carried away here against R' Asher Kalmanowitz.

From what I could gather it was primarily his brother Yankel that was behind the Slifkin ban. There are reasons why Yankel was not given a shteller in the yeshiva.

R' Asher's appearance is lav davka chassidish. Do you know any Livishe Yerushalmi?

Where does R' Asher support molesters? The only three molesters hanging around the Mir where thrown out. Colmer by R' Shmuel Berenbaum, some homeless nut by the baal tokaya R' Zevi Trenk and an Israeli bochur by R' Yitzchok Mitnick who was imported for the task.

Lopin is quoting from the Mirrer blog written by Eckstein who hates the Kalmanowitzs because he thought he was being mechanef R' Shmuel that way. R' Shmuel didn't exactly appreciate the leach acting up all the time.

I agree that he was way to cozy with scumbag Pinter forcing R' Shmuel to intervene.

Shmarya groupie said...

Mamash an adam gadol. Vechol Yisroel yivku ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/arts/design/19rogovin.html

Milton Rogovin, Photographer, Dies at 101

Milton Rogovin was born on Dec. 30, 1909 in Brooklyn, 3rd of 3 sons of immigrant Lithuanian Jewish parents, Jacob Rogovin & the former Dora Shainhouse

Mr. Rogovin came to wide notice in 1962 after documenting storefront church services in Buffalo’s poor & predominantly African-American East Side.

Mr. Rogovin became increasingly distressed at the plight of the poor & unemployed — “the forgotten ones,” he called them — and increasingly involved in leftist political causes.

He began attending classes sponsored by the Communist Party & began to read the Communist newspaper The Daily Worker

Mr. Rogovin served as librarian for the Buffalo branch of the Communist Party.

In 1957, with Cold War anti-Communism rife in the United States, he was called before the House Un-American Activities Committee but refused to testify. The Buffalo Evening News labeled him “Buffalo’s Number One Red,” and he & his family were ostracized.

In his later years, as his health declined, he used a wheelchair & no longer took photographs.

His activism, however, was undimmed — he attended political rallies & anti-war protests into his final years

Chaim Dovid Zweibel Esq. said...

Vos iz shlecht?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/world/europe/19vatican.html?hp

Vatican Warned Bishops Not to Report Child Abuse

Anonymous said...

I remember the oilam in Lakewood wondering why Shechter didn't sign the Slufkin ban.

Good for him to refuse the Shmeltzer Wachtfogel pressure.

Pathetic said...

http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/22600/

Kevin Spacey in a black Borsalino playing Jack Abramoff.

Duvid Niederman said...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/appeals_court_tosses_daughter_count_4aHFTOdueN8Z5INnCA9bUL

A perverted Hasidic rabbi who sexually abused his daughter throughout her adolescence could get 10 years knocked off his sentence under terms of an appeals court decision this morning.

Israel Weingarten was improperly convicted on one count involving incest that occurred during a trip from Belgium to Israel, the U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan ruled.

The unanimous decree says that citizens can't be found guilty in America for crimes committed overseas unless there's a "territorial nexus to the United States."

The three-judge panel upheld other convictions covering abuse that took place during travel from Brooklyn to Belgium, and from Israel to Brooklyn.

Weingarten, a member of the Satmar sect of Hasidic Judaism, was sentenced to 30 years in the slammer for traveling across international borders in order to molest the girl, the second-oldest of his eight kids.

The now-grown woman tearfully testified against Weingarten during a 2009 Brooklyn federal court trial at which he acted as his own lawyer and angrily cross-examined her on the witness stand.

A spokesman for the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney's Office said prosecutors "will review the Second Circuit's decision and consider our options."

Jerusalem Post said...

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=204072

UOJ gets results said...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4015742,00.html

The Jerusalem District Prosecution on Tuesday recommended that Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein prosecute Rabbi Mordechai Elon for committing indecent acts against at least one male teenager.

Following the allegations, the attorney general instructed to launch an investigation, and in August Israel Police said that it gathered enough evidence suggesting that the rabbi committed the acts.

During the investigation, a special police unit headed by Commander Ephraim Bracha managed to locate a number of young male complainants who, according to suspicions, were sexually assaulted by Elon.

One of the complainants agreed to give a detailed and incriminating testimony that describes the indecent acts forcefully perpetrated by Rabbi Elon while the witness was still a minor.

As part of the investigation, Rabbi Elon was summoned for an interrogation under caution on suspicion of committing indecent acts against the aforementioned minor.

The rabbi was called in for the second time after another minor came forward and complained about similar acts perpetrated by Elon.

After the probe was completed, the investigators stated that "there is evidential basis against Rabbi Elon for the forceful perpetration of indecent acts on minors."

Vos zogt UOJ? said...

http://www.lilith.org/landmark_articles/carlebach_lilithsp98.pdf

Was Shlomo Carlebach a sexual predator?

1234 said...

Where did Zecharia Wallerstein come from? What's the deal with all the girl groupies?

Two faced Aron Schechter attacks Slifkin said...

"Anonymous said...R' Aaron Schechter did not sign the ban against Slifkin."

Azoy?! (Really?!)

Aron Schechter may have held his HAND back from signing a piece of paper banning Slifkin for whatever reasons at the time, but he put his WAGGING TONGUE & FINGERS & CLENCHED FISTS punching the air and LOUD & ARROGANT MOUTH and full LOUD VOICE & AGGRESSIVE BODY LANGUAGE (the way he usually intimidates people) on full public display, with his buddy Aron Feldman (who had at first supported Slifkin before he didn't) sitting stooped and meekly at his side deferring to him ATTACKING Slifkin full force and making sure he trampled and spat on him, metaphorically of course, but it has the same effect when he does it, as reported and seen on two videos that Rabbi Slifkin posted on YouTube:

(From Failed Messiah.com:)

"January 18, 2009

Leading Haredi Rabbi Ahron Schechter Attacks Rabbi Natan Slifkin, Moderate Views Of Science And Torah

Creation was less than 6000 years ago, my friends. Believe anything different and you are a heretic.

Part 1

[Click to view the first 9 minute YouTube segment:]

[YouTube:] Part One of Rav Aharon Schechter on Rabbi Slifkin and creation

Part 2

[Click to view the second 4 minute YouTube segment:]

[YouTube:] Part Two of Rav Aharon Schechter on Creation and Rabbi Slifkin

These videos were uploaded to YouTube by Rabbi Slifkin and were shot in Teaneck, NJ in 2006. The Rabbi to Rabbi Schechter's left is Rabbi Ahron Feldman. Feldman originally backed Rabbi Slifkin but sold him out when Rabbi Elyashiv in effect offered to let Feldman into the exclusive "club" of really influential haredi rabbis.

[Hat Tips: Dr. Rofeh-Filosof and Sucker.]"

So Schechter clearly joined Feldman by OPPOSING and HUMILIATING Slifkin before he did not sign the ban against him! Feldman actually gave Slifkin a Haskoma (approbation), and then withdrew it, so how evil and spineless is that. They must have taken lessons from John Kerry in changing positions enough times while making sure that in the end coming out against it!

Reb Shlomo the singing rabbi said...

"Vos zogt UOJ? said...http://www.lilith.org/landmark_articles/carlebach_lilithsp98.pdf Was Shlomo Carlebach a sexual predator?"

The Lillith crowd and their magazine is run by rabid feminists, lesbians, man haters, man eaters, also laced with antisemities and antizionists.

Reb Shlomo Carlebach the singing rabbi was a product of his times starting from the fact that he barely escaped the Holocaust in Germany as a kid and was forever haunted and both scared and scarred by it, and then his rise to popularity in the 1950s and 1960s and 1970s.

He basically became a hippie in the ages of hippies, a time of flower children, the counter-culture, youth rebellion, and experimentation with drugs, oriental religion and free love and free sex.

Most secular Jewish kids were into that big time, and he aimed to reach out to them and many became baalei teshuva, but he was controversial because he had his onw "free love" theories that he thought justified reaching out to "drowning assimilated Jews" that broke his heart because he saw3 it as another Holocaust where 6 million Jews had died.

He tied all that stuff together and with his own unique songs and voice and teachings and it worked. Besides his own great yichus, he learned by the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rav Aron Kotler and Rav Hutner. He loved Chasidus, especially the teachings of Rav Nachman of Breslov.

He essentially got caught up in the hippie movement and he even identified with it. There is no known case of any complaints by any women against him. Decades later wowmen said he hit on them, yeah, but when he did, if he did, they were part of a sexually liberated environment, so it's hard to accuse anyone of wrongdoings when society was breaking down morally, and still is.

Carlebach set up a "House of Love and Prayer" in far off San Francisco in the 1960s and attracted thousands to his concerts, and later he founded a moshav in Israel in the 1970s Mevo Modi'im. They were set up up as counreparts to Hindu ashrams and pacifist communes.

It's a different world and those were different times.

He was attracting and teaching people who were going for gurus and cults and he set himself up as a kind of Jewish guru and did well at that.

He was not conventional and it was known that he was not well-disciplined all around, he was a free spirited artist from the entertainment world in the end, his one marriage was short and did not survive long, they say he even apologized to his former wife in public, he had two daughters from that marriage, but he was not a predator in modern day terms because he attracted disciples who came to him freely who were already into the free love and psychedelic culture.

The conventional yeshiva world and Chabad that he was with when he started as the first outreach worker for them cut off relations with him, some banning his songs, aha, bans were already starting then, but to call him a "predator" is to misread and misunderstand him.

He never claimed to be an moral preacher. He never imposed his will or ideas on anyone. He gave people the room and freedom to be who they wanted to be. He was a spiritual UNIVERSALIST and he hated narrowness and fanaticism. He dabbled in Kabbalah too much and maybe it harmed him, but on balance he helped the world.

He was a singer who wanted to make people happy, and he still succeeds at that through his musical legacy that lives on in all places and people who sing his hundreds of Jewish and spiritually uplifting melodies, tunes and melodies.

Aron Schechters growing list of abuses said...

"Anonymous said...>The three mega chillul Hashem's of the Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer fiascos under the tutelage of Rabbi Aron Shechter.<

Don't tell me that's the same Schechter-creep who went after a nearby wig store which dared to have pics of women wearing wigs in their storefront??"

Yup, same guy, Aron Schechter the rosh yeshiva of the Chaim Berlin Yeshiva in Brooklyn, New York, has been going from bad to worse the last couple of years showing off his ever-increasing dementia as if brazenly putting it on full frontal display for the world to see, with the ban on the sheital macher store, then the ban on the Lipa concert, fanatical support for Leib Tropper-Michael Hersh-Gershon Kranczer, now banning VIN, banning the Internet, and more bans and hate coming down the pike and support for lowlifes and criminals.

Makes one wonder what a rosh yeshiva is supposed do with his free time when he not running his yeshiva.

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 7

Well it seems like your response for now was to back up your print editorial by having it published on Matzav.com, so we need to dig a little deeper to see how you have done this type of thing before.

You know what Rabbi Lipschutz, you are a nar (fool), you know why? Because you waste your time tilting at windmills. You over-estimate who is reading your paper and you do not influence people, certainly not your opponents.

To repeat, your readership is very yeshivisha people who are willing to spend a few bucks they can't afford or get from food stamps, and they don't need you to advise them how to live or think. They enough rabbonim to give them eitzos and ideas. And if it is people who even bother looking at your Yated's proxy website Matzav.com, guaranteed they don't look at it for more than a couple of seconds, there are better places to get Jewish news, like on VIN, or Arutz Sheva or the blogs you hate.

Anyhow, you like wasting your time and spinning your wheels doing exercises in futility preaching to the already converted.

Do you really think that anyone who is already reading news and using Jewish blogs to discuss and know the truth about serious community issues that you cover up and never talk about, like pedophilia and all sorts of abuse and fraud, will suddenly "stop" reading blogs or posting on them just because you will be mean to them in your paper or on Matzav.com?

Remember the last time you were dragged into smearing and hammering away at a rival group who had a different point of view to you in Yiddishkeit? You hardly go after big-time Reform or Conservative or even Zionists because maybe you know they will fight back at you since they are richer than you, have better lawyers, have access to bigger media and governments than you and the Agudah crowd around you.

That was when you went after Rabbi Avi Weiss's Yeshiva Chovevei Torah (YCT) in another fit of slander and "bans" that were mirrored in "YWN" the Yeshiva World News blog, yes it's only a silly blog, before you thought up to have Matzav.com in your team.

And it's déjà vu all over again, as you gear up to do to Jewish bloggerss and blog owners as you did with the YCT crowd. Your attacks are still online at YWN http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=5269

Your past attacks then did not work as your planned attacks now will fail as well because you have zero influence and power and you misread reality badly.

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 8

Rabbi Lipschutz, the last time you hurled shmutz and slander, was when you threw a tantrum at Rabbi Avi Weiss's Yeshiva Chovevei Torah (YCT) in 2007, posted in full at http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=5269 as if you "owned" Torah Judaism and only you had the "right" to know what Orthodox Judaism is or isn't.

You start by using the words of Rav Mordechai Gifter z"l known as a very wise man as if you have the right to use what he said about a concept to attack a rival group. When did Rav Gifter in his time run around directly and brazenly attacking Modern Orthodox Jews like you do in your paper?? You are doubly morally crazy and intellectually dishonest because you rely on the ignorance of Yated's readers who are unaware that Max Gifter was a kid from Baltimore who landed up at the Modern Orthodox Yeshiva University and from there went on to Telz in Europe. Maybe that's why he knows what the word "Orthodox" is and can philosophize about it, while you hijack his words and his persona to foist an agenda that has NOTHING TO DO WITH RAV GIFTER and in fact Rav Gifter was once in his youth part of that same type of world that Avi Weiss and his YCT crowd still live in.

You have no idea of live and let live, but you act like a TALIBAN who wants to hit out at those deemed "infidels" and that was never the way of Rav Gifter, who lived out of town and was very cautious how he spoke or approached the subject of less religious or less Orthodox Jews. He was very warm and welcoming to them. Not like you who wants to demonize anyone and anything that does not fit your pre-conceived prejudices. Shame on you!

And you know what, you started your contorted excuse-for-an-argument then against YCT as you did with your latest editorial against the Jewish blogosphere you hate.

These were your opening words then and they reflect the exact distortion of logic and misapplication of facts as you did now:

"Yeshivat Chovevei Torah: Is It Orthodox?

(Wednesday, February 21st, 2007)

The following article was printed in last weeks Yated. It is long, but it is a must read!

AN EXPOSÉ ON A THREAT TO HALACHIC JUDAISM

INTRODUCTION

Rav Mordechai Gifter, zt”l, the Telzer Rosh Yeshiva, would often say that the word “Orthodox” is a Greek term that really has no meaning to us. He always felt more comfortable describing Torah-observant Jews as Torah Jews.

Nevertheless, the term “Orthodox” has come to connote Jews who are Torah-observant according to the accepted norms of the Shulchan Aruch and its interpretation by the great poskim, halachic decisors, throughout the generations.

Over the past years, there has been an emerging threat to Orthodox Judaism that has been gaining power and momentum. It is a “Yeshiva” that professes to be “Orthodox” but, in fact, deviates from normative Orthodox thought, halacha and practice as accepted by Rabbonim and Poskim from across the spectrum of Orthodoxy.

The Yeshiva, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah (YCT) based in Manhattan, has slowly been placing “Rabbis” in communities across the United States.

Although by and large, Yated readers will rarely, if ever, daven in their synagogues, nor will they have much to do with their communities, we would be making a mistake of historic proportions to ignore their actions as they try to conquer Modern/Centrist Orthodox pulpits across the country...

The purpose of this article is to set forth some of the statements and practices of their leaders, founders and “Rosh Yeshiva,”, as well as some of their “musmachim,” and let our readers judge whether this aberration has any true connection with normative Orthodox Judaism..."

Anonymous said...

HoRav Carlebach was asked to leave one of his first shtellars in the Catskills. Check out the D.A.'s offices in California. He was as holy as most rabbis

Gumshoe said...

What about the DA in California?

Riverdale said...

Like UOJ says about Belsky, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Lipschutz was correct to attack Avi Weiss and YCT. Weiss-YCT are not orthodox no matter how much they insist they are. They are apikorsim who fully legitimize Reform and Conservative. It took a lot for R' Hershel Schechter to posken that they cannot be hired as shul rabbis.

Grainom said...

http://grainom.blogspot.com/2011/01/grade-two-learns-hiskashrus.html

Anonymous said...

Was Colmer kicked out of YCB before or after he got married to some unsuspecting poor girl from out of the country? Who looked out for her interests? How many people were oiver on "lo sa'amod al dam rei'echa" respecting the hell her life became? Or was it the Rabbis' unlearned opinion that a little hetero would cure the homo?

Anonymous said...

YCB is Yeshiva Chaim Berlin? I didn't know that Colmer learned there but it makes sense if he was in the BT shiur.

"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...

I think ultimately, what is going to become absolutely necessary for all yeshivas, day schools etc..., is a database of people, whether students or teachers, principals and rabbis, for any reported "weird" or "strange" behavior, for a competent group of mental health professionals retained by the Jewish schools, to be made aware of.

The Tucson Massacre screams out and highlights just how many "crazies" in one form or another, are walking around the general population.

JSafe, JBAC, SFJ....Take note!

Frankel's shul said...

"How many people were oiver on "lo sa'amod al dam rei'echa"

There were at least 3 shidduchim out of Frankel's shul that were mekach taus. Almost all us Frankel's shul people have skeletons in our closets so we cover up for each other. The Veyelepoiler Ruv knows where his paycheck is coming from so he keeps his mouth shut as well. Three girls from the shul had sicknesses that precluded them as marriage material but the families would hear nothing of it so they looked for suckers from out of town to dump their ill offspring on.

Since many of us Frankel's shul Hungarians send our daughters to Machon Bais Yaakov who we shmear with gelt, the menahelim Julie Oelbaum and Moshe Yanofsky won't tell anyone the truth, even when gedolei roshei yeshiva call to press them for info.

After things end in disaster, us Frankel's shul Hungarians and the Machon BY menahelim start lying that of course the victims must have known so don't you dare blame us. This way we don't get a bad reputation.

Avi L. Shafran(ovitch) said...

I told you UOJ is out of control like a real life version of Orwell's Animal Farm. He wants databases for people that HE holds are crazy. Next thing you know he will include people who have done nothing wrong simply because they wear a filthy, dusty Borsalino or something equally ridiculous!

Anonymous said...

There was another nutjob in Chaim Berlin backed up by R' Aron. He always had an explosive temper to the point where he was dangerous. Because he didn't have much of a family he was taken in by one of the CB rebbeim who he shnorred off to extremes for designer clothes and other frills. He was immature and never into learning. He was hanging out with teenage womanizing bums and they would pick up girls from YU's Central high school in Queens to have sex with. When he decided he wanted to get married, he found a naughty girl from a frum family. Her family was very against the shidduch. They caved in part due to pressure from R' Aron. Eventually, he started terrorizing her too. She would be locking herself in the bathroom all the time to escape his violent outbursts. R' Aron kept intervening but she couldn't take it anymore and left with the kids. He then became assistant rabbi of a barely orthodox shul if even that. I have seen pictures of him on the internet wearing shorts while performing his rabbinical duties. It would be interesting to know if R' Aron is still backing him up even after he reinvented himself.

Chaim Berlin = My Way or the Highway said...

Moshe Yanofsky must have learned the tricks of the trade when he was in Chaim Berlin himself.

Former Agudist said...

Chaim berlin, always have had a large number of "alter bochurim"--mhameivin yovin

Anonymous said...

Moishe Yanofsky's trick is to say that too many people are calling about the girl so he therefore refuses to answer any more questions. He passes the buck to Oelbaum who doesn't come to the phone at work or home. Oelbaum instructs his family to get rid of the rabbonim calling up with excuses like he is tending to a sick relative etc. Even the gedolei alter Mirrers have gotten the shaft from these two lowlives. They will push a girl through all the grades at Machon when she can't pass any classes due to physical / mental illness as long as the family ponies up enough money.

Anonymous said...

Just a clarification about Oelbaum. In the case that I'm familiar with, he started refusing to take phone calls after he spoke to one rosh yeshiva who is some kind of cousin of his. The rosh yeshiva said he suspected his own cousin is lying to him so he wanted the gedolim to put the squeeze on him. So in other words Oelbaum lied, destroying someone's life in the process so he could protect his financial interests.

analyst said...

It's actually simple that Chaim Berlin would have large numbers of older bochurim. Lakewood stopped taking older bochurim 20 years ago. If you are 25 you are too over the hill for BMG. Lakewood also got tough about tuition. Older bochurim are less likely to have their parents foot the bill. There is more pressure to learn in places like Mir, Beis Hatalmud & Fallsburg. Stamford became almost all Chassidish. Other yeshivos are too far away from shidduchim and the "action". That leaves only YTV which is in a crummy neighborhood.

"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...

The R' Yehuda Oelbaum I knew was a man of impeccable midos and integrity.

Abish Brodt resign! said...

Masores Bais Yaakov of which Abish is the President runs a close 2nd for sickest girls school. A bunch of bums send their daughters there and the principal is Leib Pinter's wife.

Anonymous said...

Money can corrupt many people and evidently Julie Oelbaum is not immune. He covered up for the daughter of the crazy molester chazan that no one wants to go on the record about. The uncle who owns all the real estate surrounding City Hall gave tons of money to MBY to make sure she got protected status.

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 9

Rabbi Lipschutz, while you seem to have lost your nerve in the next and latest edition of the Yated of January 21, 20100 and you seem to have backed off, for now, and not named names of blogs and bloggers as you threatened you would last week, yet you did a couple of objectionable things that seem obviously related to that and leave some big clues about what's going on and who's in your gun-sights.

In this week's Yated, your editorial is about your grandfather from Detroit, very nice. But search as one might, the weekly Parsha lesson from Rav Moshe Sternbuch that's written up professionally by Rabbi Daniel Travis is MISSING IN ACTION from your paper the Yated this week.

What happened?

Where is this very popular and brilliantly written column that you had to have it and published it for about two years and its even become a best selling book?

Have you "fired" Rav Moshe Sternbuch? Nothing is surprising coming from the Machiavellian Yated anymore. If so, you owe your reading public an explanation why you have cut him out.

Maybe this is just blip on the screen and Rav Sternbuch will be back next week. But if this is permanent the only conclusion is that you, or someone right above you who you fear, such as Aron Schechter, ORDERED you to remove Rav Sternbuch's column ASAP because Rav Moshe Sternbuch is the "da'as Torah" of blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn who also posts that same weekly parsha column on his blog that you presumably hate, or that maybe was the blog you were threatening to rip to shreds but stopped short after you realized you would look like an idiot doing that as the main article of this post on the UOJ explains.

Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn also happens to be the one right now asking Aron Schechter and his hyptnotized Chaim Berlin supporters the tough questions about the craziness of Michael Hersh's persisting to fight people in court even after the judge has thrown out the case against four of the lead so-called "defendants" and it's Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn who has posted recently that Aron Schechter always did and still does know what Michael Hersh was up to and supports him all the way, and that the next step could well be a counter-suit against the Chaim Berlin Yeshiva, and that would include its head Aron Schechter for his ongoing support of the crazed and abusive and litigous Michael Hersh that goes beyond the pale.

Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn has the backing of Rav Moshe Sternbuch because he seeks his "da'as Torah" on everything, while Michael Hersh has the backing of Aron Schechter as the source of his "da'as Torah" so that it's now come down to a titanic showdown between two "da'as Torahs" and it's now clear that you were shanghaid and were working to push the Aron Schechter-Michael Hersh side and oppose and destroy the side of frum blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn who is backed up by Rav Moshe Sternbuch, as he's bravely shining his light on Hersh-Schechter-Chaim Berlin Yeshiva by continuously posting on the Hersh saga, in spite of your threats and intimidating tactics.

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 10

Here's another thing that sticks out like a disgusting sore thumb in your cowardly latest edition of the Yated of January 21, 2011, the sickening way you take advantage of the recent tragic death at 48 of Yossi Pressburger z"l while on a business trip in Detroit.

While you luxuriate in your reporting about your own grandfather from Detroit in your own paper, after you give a lengthy editorial about him, and put in a news item about how you went to Detroit to speak and got kavod there, poor Yossi Pressburger went there around the same time and died a lonely death all alone in his car while trying to make a living to support his family and his thousands of chesed projects. Maybe he was mechaper (atoned) for your lies!

Then you add insult to injury by going beyond the pale. You let your family member Yitzi Pitzi Hisiger write an "obituary" for Yossi Pressburger that essentially says nothing because Yossi was very popular and well-known with masses of Jews in his 25 year career working for Kedem and he hated words about himself, but worst of all in the middle of Yitzi Pitzi Hisiger's crocodile tears' obit is a HUGE photo of Yossi Pressburger shaking hands with.......Aron Schechter when they recently talked him into be one of the guests at a Chaim Berlin fund-raising dinner.

What a disgrace!

Pressburger was the opposite of a Chaim Berliner! He recently yanked his kids out of there! His rov was Leizer Ginsburg, a pic of them together would make sense! But with Aron Schechter? And there are two more pics of "happy" Schechter at a wedding in the same paper. A wedding, a funeral, Schechter and Yitzi Pitzi don't care, as long as the Yated's agenda of building up Schechter and by implication coming on the heels of last week's threat's against the Internet and Jewish bloggers, putting down Rav Moshe Sternbuch's support for Charedi blogger and blog owner Rabbi Dr. daanile Eidensohn, gets across.

Yate throws out the tiny picture of Rav Sternbuch that went with his popular weekly parsha column but has the audacity to try and channel the outpouring of grief and groundswell of love that amcha bnai Yisroel had for Yossi Pressburger and somehow by manipulation and placement of photos trying to "transfer" that same true love on to a man who is truly hated for his ongoing support of immoral people like Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer.

How low can you go?

Don't you think that intelligent people who have been reading your paper have their own brains and can come to their own independent conclusions without you having to manipulate photos in brainwashing style? This is not Soviet Russia that people need to have "approved" signal from the rulers.

And to add insult to injury the same Yitzi Pitzi Hisiger who reputedly runs the Matzav.com blog now gets to write articles, not once, but now he is also starting a "shidduchim" section that he will "moderate" only problem is he is by all accounts not a moderate person by any means.

So Rav Moshe Sternbuch's parsha is out, and blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn gets to feel your threats, while pisher Yitzi Pitzi Hisiger is in and is free to pontificate like a moron, post photos of Aron Schechter on top of the still fresh body of Yossi Pressburger, run your Matzav.com proxy attack blog and give advice about "shidduchim" as well as get articles about his grandfather written up, not to mention his father Kolko ally and protector Yisroel Hisiger gets featured every week too.

Yated stinks! Or as they say in modern terms it sucks!

Pinny Lipschutz, you Meshugenna! said...

What other motives do you have for banishing Rav Sternbuch shlita?

Because he is such a Torah giant that he cannot be attacked even when he screams at the Agudah for protecting molesters? (Only Leib Tropper has had the chutzpah to attack him, after he assered going to the gerus assifos)

Because he wrote a public letter that Star K made a churban of kashrus and should not be touched by bnei Torah, which may cause a ripple in your ad revenue with Star K meat distributors like Glatt Mart?

Or maybe, just maybe, because Rav Sternbuch has driven a stake through the heart of your monumental project to make a martyr out of Rubashkin when he said it is a chilul Hashem to jump to the defense of every two bit criminal with a black hat?

For Arthur said...

http://www.stljewishlight.com/news/local/article_b349dea8-1e62-11e0-bc81-001cc4c03286.html

Rebbetzin Paula Rivkin remembered as ‘woman of valor’

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 10

Rabbi Lipschutz, it's already been pointed out that once in the past you went on the attack against the Yeshiva Chovevei Torah (YCT) crowd and the Modern Orthodox Rabbi Avi Weiss types that are their rabbis.

Nu Nu so you don't like them. That is your choice. But as a newspaper you need to be more careful.

You are in America now and it's not a one party Potemkin shtetel! In the USA Civil, Political, Economic and Religious Liberties and Freedoms are taken for granted.

Unlike the TALIBAN that Haredism resembles, there is a tolerant live and let live state of affairs in the USA and in modern Western states. Baruch H-shem !!! If people want to be ultra-Modern Orthodox or ultra-Neturei Karta that is their right as long as they are not breaking the laws of the land or threatening or doing harm (including abusing) other people.

In the USA Freedom of Religion goes hand in hand with Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press. But you and your gang don't get that. Queer, but if not for those freedoms you would not last for a second. Remember how Jews were treated under Czarism, or Fascism, or Communism or Nazism or under Fanatical Islam? Would you like to go back to those times? Guess you would say yes as long as you could be in charge. But that is not the way it works and it's not the way it's going to be. You are in for a rude shock when the true Jewish mashiach comes and he will get rid of all the pygmy rosh yeshivas and rebbelach and rabbonim intoxicated with their own selfish egocentric power, greed and corruption.

That is why it is so pathetic to read yet again in your latest paper of January 21, 2011 an attack against the YCT Modern Orthodox crowd by Avrohom Birnbaum "Moral Midgets: The Maskilim Are Alive and Well in 2011" -- what is with you morons, when you bump into a group that is not like you you revert to insults and attacks and call them "Maskilim" -- last week you were hurling the "Maskilim" epithet at the "frum" bloggers you hate.

So that's it then, YCT, its rabbis, frum bloggers and the "leftist media" are all "Maskilim" while the "nice" people you presume to "speak" for are all lily-white pure as virgins little saints who have halos over their Torah-filled kepelach? A nechtigen tog! (Baloney!)

The ONLY connection between YCT, the Avi Weiss type MO rabbis, frum blogs and bloggers who come in all shades and stripes, and "leftist media" is NOT with the so-called "Maskilim" of yesteryear, but they are all just shadows and demons in your money-grubbing headline-hungry head as you cook up bobba-meisas while you deliberately IGNORE the problems in your own back yard, and there's plenty of that.

Sure, it's a lot easier for you to hit out at MO so-called "Maskilim" and frum blogs and bloggers you don't and can't control than to tackle the real-life challenges of sex and child abuse like in the Leib Tropper-Michael Hersh-Gershon Kranczer and other such scandals in the Charedi sector that are covered up worse than Watergate.

But guess what people are tired of the lies, the cover-ups, the excuses, the fabrications, the distractions, the fake article and stupid "bans" and "kol korehs" and they want REAL SOLUTIONS FOR REAL PEOPLE and not concocted garbage coming out like diarrhea from you, your paper or all your partners, silent or outspoken, and pals in crimes.

Wake up from your slumbers! Wake up and smell the coffee! Wake up before it's too late!

Anonymous said...

i didn't see any evidence that oshe kalmanowitz was involved in the ban. just two losers who want people to "trust them" one of whom obviously knows nothing about the yeshiva world (duh, i think i once heard that rav elya learned in lakewood and had some relation to maliel's heter meah) if he was behind it why didn't he sign it and why were almost all the signers (with the exception of the bmg guys and aaron schechter and shmuel kamenetsky) chassidish?

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 12

You know Rabbi Lipschutz you and Aron Schechter are in good (actually bad) company hating Charedi blogger Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn's blog and what he does.

Rabbi Eidensohn is a talmid chochem and psychologist who is trying to do something about solving child and spousal abuse in the frum world. He also has an interest in a number of other matters concerning klal Yisrael, such as problematic conversions.

Rabbi Eidensohn bravely took on the Leib Tropper/Tom Kaplan/Guma Aguiar triumvirate when they concocted the EJF scheme. Both Guma and Tropper felt so threatened by Rabbi Eidensohn's postings on his blog that they came out full force with legal threats against him and his blog.

Even though Guma had a falling out with Tropper and had his own as yet unresolved (or results not made public) legal cases with him, in the case of Guma Aguiar he instructed his lawyer to issue Rabbi Eidensohn with a warning to take down all posts that mention Guma and the conversion of his wife Jamie, see Rich Jew Threatens Poor Blogger With Big Lawsuit, and Rabbi Eidensohn complied because Israeli law is different to American law and while Guma is a billionaire Rabbi Eidensohn is a poor blogger. That round went to Guma, but it only showed he had something to hide, but unfortunately he later took ill and was institutionalized, recently he was released.

Then along came Tropper and tried the same shtik, sending some shyster lawyer, via Rabbi Eidensohn's blog to threaten him that Tropper would sue unless all comments about Tropper were taken down, see Tropper doesn't know when to give up. But in the USA things are different and it was soon discovered that the lawyer was disbarred (only Tropper would choose such a lawyer!) and soon enough Tropper let Rabbi Eidensohn know he would call off the stupid lawyer. In any case other scandals of Tropper's making would soon bring Tropper down.

Then along came Aron Schechter-guided-and-inspired-Michael Hersh and sent subpoenas to web giants like Google and Yahoo and blog owners demanding to know who they get Emails from directed at UOJ, Harry Maryles, FM, Tzig, and Rabbi Eidensohn, see Subpoena notice from Google.

Pinchos Lipschutz Have You No Shame said...

The Yated gang's "WikiLeaks" problem, 13

Unfortunately for you Rabbi Lipschutz, UOJ had already a while ago been able to get the intervention and protection against Hersh/Schechter of the EFF, see Subpoena from Google in the Hersh case (update). Note that all along, Rabbi Eidensohn has been in consultation with Rav Moshe Sternbuch about all the cases, the threats by Guma's lawyers, the attacks by Tropper, the attacks by Michael Hersh/Aron Schechter team and now the Yated's attitude.

Now came the attacks and ban on the VIN blog and the attacks on Harry Maryles by an anonymous "Gavriel Rivlin" ("riv" in Hebrew means "quarrel" or "fight" so he wanted to fight), and then all topped off by the latest anti-Internet "kol korehs" by the American moetzes rabbis in the Hamodia and Yated combined with Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz's long editorial attacking "frum" blogs and bloggers as "Maskilim" or whatnot and threatening to out them and shame them if need be which is a non-no in the USA since he must have forgotten it in his zeal it's a hot button legal question in the USA right now.

Now it is becoming more and more evident that it was yet again Rabbi Eidensohn and his blog that got the Yated/Aron Schechter/Chaim Berlin/Michale Hersh crowd agitated and panicked when Rabbi Eidensohn started to zero in on the latest about the Michael Hersh case, especially when he started openly reporting there was a good chance that the Chaim Berlin Yeshiva and its head would be sued for their support of Hersh because it's beyond a doubt Hersh and Schechter act and acted as one, see Hersh appeals dismissal of case - next step might be a countersuit involving Yeshiva Chaim Berlin! (January 7, 2011) and Hersh case: Everything was done under Rav Aaron Schechter, shlita's supervision (January 9, 2011).

That is one good reason, perhaps even the main reason, the Yated went on the offense last week. But once they saw the response on UOJ, and maybe even spoke to their lawyers, that they would get as good as they got. That the Yated would become part of the legal battles in the Hersh case and that Aron Schechter's name would be made even further into the mud it deserves, they backed off and went back to their "glorifying the supreme leader" style and at the same time removed their inconsistent support for an arch critic, Rav Moshe Sternbuch by pulling his parsha column.

So Pinchos Lipschutz is now part of a long line of attacks to bring down an honest critic of Tropper/Guma/Hersh/Schechter/Chaim Berlin/Yated, as the above outline of cases shows.

That's it for this week.

Let's see what comes out on Matzav.com or another legal or "kol koreh" defense of the indefensible.

If I want a second wife can you get me a heter meah rabbonim said...

"Anonymous said...if he was behind it why didn't he sign it and why were almost all the signers (with the exception of the bmg guys and aaron schechter and shmuel kamenetsky) chassidish?"

So stupid it's unbelievable. Like saying because Hitler y"sh never signed on to the Final Solution how could he be "behind" the Holocaust? Duh, genius, because smart cynical politicians know that their signature can be judged by history in "black and white" while all sorts of excuses can be made for an invisible "torah she'be'al peh"!

Yeah, and you know why chasidisha guys signed it, because they get paid to do it, they don't care what they sign as long as money comes their way somewhere somehow,

As for Aron Schechter and Shmuel Kamintezky signing they got lots of leverage with Malkiel that way and he's beholden to them to this day. The girl he "married" her father Tikotsky was an old Chaim Berliner who obviously would sell his daughter to the devil, which father wants his daughter to be a "tzora" or maybe even not better than a "pilegesh"? Even to a Kotler. To be "over" on the serious "Cherem deRabbeinu Gershon Meor HaGolah"?

If you have the money and pull you can get as many chasidisha rebelach aka ganovim and a few greedy unscrupulous forever fund-raising roshei yeshiva in your pocket.

Just don't be so stupid!

Anonymous said...

Lakewood Yeshiva community will come out en masse today to give their final respects to the fallen police office, shot in the line of duty.

A tremendous Kidush Shem Shamayim!

Anonymous said...

if i want a second wife,
dummy,i was talking about signing the vin ban , noy malkiel's hter meah. so stupid it's unbelievable.

Bad English leads to double meanings said...

To Anonymous: writing is not like talking, you wrote:

"Anonymous said...i didn't see any evidence that oshe kalmanowitz was involved in the ban. just two losers who want people to "trust them" one of whom obviously knows nothing about the yeshiva world"

Fine, that's about the VIN ban, then you go to left field trying to attack a previous comment and say:

(duh, i think i once heard that rav elya learned in lakewood and had some relation to maliel's heter meah)

and you follow it up with:

if he was behind it why didn't he sign it and why were almost all the signers (with the exception of the bmg guys and aaron schechter and shmuel kamenetsky) chassidish?

Who's "he" here -- Rav Elya or Osher??

So only YOU knew that you switched gears and jumped from one subject (the VIN ban), then to another subject (the heter meah rabbonim) even though it was in brackets it's serious so it gets the attention of a reader who can't understand your "duh" comment, and then you go back to the VIN ban.

Only you could keep track of the zig-zag and your English and syntax was lousy, any reader could think you wanted to talk about the heter meah rabbonim, which is not a stupid subject in this case at all. Both subjects are about controversial rabbis signing controversial documents. And no Osher did not sign on Malkiel's heter meah rabbonim (he was too young maybe and not involved), just like he did not sign on the VIN ban (he's not stupid), seems he still a pretty slick and smart operator. But you need to brush up on your English.