http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/03/11/2009-03-11_rabbi_israel_weingarten_found_guilty_of_.html
Rabbi Israel Weingarten found guilty of molesting daughter
BY John Marzulli
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, March 11th 2009, 9:21 PM
A Hasidic rabbi who defended himself against charges of molesting his daughter over a seven-year period was convicted on all counts Wednesday by a jury in Brooklyn Federal Court.
The victim, now 27, was escorted into the courtroom by U.S. marshals for the verdict, and sat in the front row opposite six siblings, ages 13 to 23, who support their father Israel Weingarten.
Showing no emotion after he was found guilty of transporting the victim to Belgium, Israel and New York to commit sex crimes against her, Weingarten complained to the judge that he did not have time to prepare for the trial.
Weingarten faces up to 50 years in prison when he's sentenced by Judge John Gleeson on April 3.
The victim dresses in modern clothes, wears makeup and has left the Satmar sect. She agreed to speak to reporters and was asked how she felt being cross-examined on the witness stand by her father.
"Like being molested again," she said. "He thought he still had power over me. I think it was cruel to do that to me."
"I wish he wasn't my father."
The victim was adamant about being in the courtroom for the verdict. "I've been waiting my whole life for this," she said. "I didn't think the day would come when there would be justice, and I had to see it with my own eyes."
The mother and a brother of the victim testified on her behalf, with the mother saying she caught the pair in bed once and the brother saying their father had brainwashed them. They were not in court Wednesday, but the other six of Weingarten's children lashed out at the victim, their mother and the government.
"My sister? I didn't look at her. She's not even human," said Yakev Weingarten, 18.
Another sibling, Chayeh, who testified that her mother molested the victim, said they will hire a lawyer to appeal the conviction.
Brooklyn U.S. Attorney Benton Campbell called the verdict "an important vindication for victims who have the courage not only to survive the ordeal of sexual abuse, but to come forward despite outside pressure."
jmarzulli@nydailynews.com
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New York Daily News
"Ex-wife: Rabbi Israel Weingarten half-nude with our daughter
BY John Marzulli
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Friday, March 6th 2009, 8:53 AM
[Rabbi Israel Weingarten cross-examined his daugther in court Tuesday.]
The ex-wife of a rabbi accused of molesting his daughter testified Thursday that she found them together in bed, and the teen revealed that she had been sexually abused.
Before she began answering the prosecutor's questions, Faige Weingarten waived her spousal privilege and told the judge she wanted to testify against her ex-husband, Israel Weingarten, who prosecutors say began abusing the girl in 1990 when she was 9.
The case is being heard in Brooklyn because Weingarten is accused of passing through JFK Airport on the family's frequent travels to Belgium.
Faige Weingarten recalled a Friday night about nine years ago when they were living in Belgium. She had slept in another room after arguing with her husband. She heard their infant crying and went to the bedroom, where she found Weingarten and their then-16-year-old daughter in bed.
"He said, 'Look, we are dressed,' but with the covers half down, I saw the middle of his body was naked," she said in Brooklyn Federal Court through a Yiddish translator.
A few days later, the daughter confided to her she had been sodomized, according to Faige Weingarten.
"She became disgusted for the rest of her life - he made her life disgusting," she said.
The rabbi, who is representing himself in the case, complained to Judge John Gleeson that the translator misunderstood Faige's answer about his father's ailing health at the time of the alleged sexual abuse.
Gleeson was incredulous. "And you think that was the important part?" he shot back.
Earlier, the rabbi reduced his son to tears during a bizarre cross-examination about a suicide letter the boy had written.
"Is it possible it could get any worse than this?" said the defendant's legal adviser, Barry Rhodes."
http://caseofisraelweingarten.blogspot.com/
Israel Weingarten (Hebrew: ישראל משה וויינגארטען ) born February 24, 1950 in New York City, grew up in the Satmar community in Brooklyn, after attending Satmar school in Brooklyn he continued studying at Nitra Yeshiva in Mount Kisco, New York.
In 1978, at the age of 28, he married his wife, with whom he had four sons and four daughters.
In the late 1980's, he Self proclaimed himself as a Rabbi and opened his own private elite Jewish Ultra-Orthodox Yeshiva in Antwerp Belgium serving as a Rosh Yeshiva (Dean of a Talmudical academy), until it closed in 1996.
In 1997 after outcry's by his oldest daughter to friends and school officials about him molesting her and the rumors spread in his community in Antwerp, he fled to Beth-Shemesh Israel, and later on he fled to Monsey, NY.
In 2002, he he was employed by the Yeshiva and Mesivta Torah Temimah, an elementary and secondary school in Brooklyn.
On October 06, 2008 Israel weingarten was arrested by the FBI at his Rockland County home in Monsey, NY. He was named in a five-count federal indictment obtained by the United States Attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York following an worldwide investigation by the FBI, A Federal Judge denied him from being released on bail.
On March 11, 2009 After two days of deliberations and a weeklong trial, Israel Weingarten was convicted by a Federal Jury of all five counts of transporting the victim in and out of the country to commit sexual crimes against her.
On May 08, 2009 Israel Weingarten was sentenced on each of the five counts, U.S. District Court Judge John Gleeson sentenced him to 10 years followed by three years of supervised release. The jail time for three counts will run consecutively and two concurrently, resulting in a 30-year imprisonment followed by three years of supervised release.
"He can run, but he can't hide."
-American boxer, Joe Louis.
This blog will prove to the the pedophiles out there and to the pedophile wannabes: You better don't commit crimes against children! you will be paying for it big time. You might think you can run, but you will never hide! Your victims will gain strength and put you in the slammer just like what happened to this pedophile Israel Weingarten.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Irish political philosopher, Edmund Burke. "
Part One:
"http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2011/01/guilt-of-yisroel-weingartedn-letter-of.html
Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Guilt of Yisroel Weingarten - letter of R M Stauber to Beis Din of Rav Wosner
What Was Said Inside Satmar About Yisroel Moshe Weingarten by Yerachmiel Lopin on 12/07/2010
In 2003 a letter was sent by Rabbi Mordechai Stauber in Antwerp to the Bais Din of R Wosner in Monsey. You can see the Hebrew original here. (Translation by Yerachmiel Lopin- full copyrights reserved for translation) Printed here with permission
BAIS RACHEL
Kleuter, Lagere, Middelbare School en Satmar
Lamorinierestraat 26-28
2019 Antwerpen
Tel 281-3000 – Fax 218 91-23
Friday, Parshas Pinchas, 5763, [July 18, 2003] Antwerp, May Zion be Restored
Respectfully to the renowned great scholar, presiding on justice, righteous leader to his congregation, his glory on the Jewish people, the honorable renowned, Rabbi, Gaon Benzion Yaakov Halevi Wosner, may he be granted long days, and along with him to the rabbis and sages, members of the Beit Din Tzedek (religious court) of the Holy Congregation of Monsey.
After inquiring about your well-being, I am answering your request to write what I know about the painful affair of the Weingarten family. They lived here in our city Antwerp for many years. Their young girls were educated here in Bais Rachel of Satmar. There was a feeling during all those years that an oppressive atmosphere was controlling the girls and their mother. Though we tried to do everything for the good, it did not help much. In the summer of 5756 [1996] Reb Yisroel Moshe came and pestered us to move his oldest daughter, Frumah Leah, to a higher class; something we don’t do for others. After deliberation we decided to agree. We knew the bitterness of the daughter came from the goings-on at the house. Therefore [we thought] it is worth giving in on a trivial matter; perhaps through this the student will be more satisfied. But actually we saw, to the contrary, that she came to school with swollen eyes, and at times, with other marks. We did not want to touch this because we knew they were odd people and we wouldn’t accomplish anything.
Reb Wolf Gross, who lives several houses away from them, was a true friend of Yisroel Moshe, and he helped them a lot so there would be something to eat in their house. He told me that Frumah Leah wants to commit suicide, G-d save us, and throw herself out the window. They actually saved her at the last moment. [He told me that] in my role as principal I am obligated to interrogate her in order not [to be guilty of] “standing by on the blood of a fellow Jew” [Leviticus 19:16].
I initiated discussions with her several times until she revealed to me that she endured murderous beatings from him [her father] for reasons she could not reveal to me under any circumstances. Only after much urging and assurances, she wrote on paper that for a long time her father was doing with her [sexually] perverted things, have mercy on us. I do not remember all she wrote. But this I remember exactly as I received it from her. “He takes and he ejaculates (motzi zerah l’vatallah) …(ellipses in original) very close to actual biblically prohibited incestuous intercourse, (ad karov ligiluy arayos mamash), have mercy on us. She added afterwards, verbally, that she was disgusted with a life like this for a quite a while and that he hit her with frightening sadism. Because of this she wanted to put an end to her life, G-d save us."
Vile filthy and disgusting. This is the doctrine of no chasid left in jail but their children placed in brothels inside their homes. Alternatively, those that signed on are incredibly stupid. Actually the truth is probably a mixture of both.
I have translated a letter that establishes that the satmar establishment knew about Yisroel Moshe Weingartens sexual exploitation of his daughter as far back as 1997. I have also posted an article today by Yisroel Moshe Weingarten brother who confirms the truth of the accusation that his brother molested his daughter. He adds on the fact that his brother molested him and 4 of his nieces/nephews.
Go to http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/verdict-was-just-according-to-israel-weingarten%E2%80%99s-brother/
A number of us will wage the information battle in chasidic circles and elsewhere. The campaign can still fail if no one donates. It may be possible to accomplish that.
Part Two:
http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2011/01/guilt-of-yisroel-weingartedn-letter-of.html
"Guilt of Yisroel Weingarten - letter of R M Stauber to Beis Din of Rav Wosner
It is self understood what a shock this was for us. Because the one of whom we speak was a girl of 15, we passed the matter over to the rabbonim and the leader of Satmar [in Antwerp], Rabbi Chaim Yosef Dovid Weiss, may he live long, head of our congregation. [Rabbi Weiss] took the testimony and he [the father] did not deny it. As a consequence he [Rabbi Weiss] forbade him [Yisroel Weingarten] to seclude himself with his daughter (asar lo l’hityached im bito). He arranged for her to immediately go to Manchester, [England, to a girls school where she would board].
This happened during Chanukah, 5757 [December 1997]. At the end of the winter she returned from Manchester and the whole family traveled to Israel for Passover. After Passover he [Yisroel Weingarten] returned alone with his aforementioned daughter and he was secluded with her all summer. All we did was write a letter that we have no responsibility (achrayis) for the aforementioned student [Frumah Leah] from here on in. Also, that none of his children have permission to set foot in our institutions. Till the month of Ellul, his disgrace was not [publicly] revealed. On the contrary; he [Yisroel Weingarten] made himself out to be a respectable man and we kept quiet. In the middle of Ellul his true disgrace was revealed through others with more ugly things. The whole city was astonished. Suddenly it came out through a tape that the daughter was involved in sin with a neighbor, Meyerowitz Meierowitz. This was something that the dayan of Satmar did not hear from him [Yisroel Weingarten] all through the course of the previous winter while he judged him.
We surmised that all of his doings were astounding and full of contradictions. My wife, may she live long, told me many times at the end of long discussion that she senses from him an air of impurity (ruach tummah). I still gave him the benefit of the doubt until I heard from his daughter the aforementioned deeds [about which she wrote]. Through this were explained many contradictions.
His wife endured a lot from him. Many times she burst out in gushing tears. He was terribly, unfathomably, sadistic towards her. After some weeks she returned and said that all of her words were nonsense and lies, and so on. It was seen that he manipulates her [manipaleert ) in a terrible way.
The devastation (hachurban) [evoked] in putting forth my words pains me greatly. [Do] what it is in your power to save them from this hypocrite, crook and swindler without equal who does the acts of Zimri and demands the reward of PinchasBT Sotah 22b referring to Numbers 25:6-14]. I would also add, that the Admor Rabbi Leibish of Phshevorsk, may he live long, said that they investigated the family in 5757 [1997-1998], meaning the woman and daughter, in Jerusalem the holy city, and they [the investigators] uncovered things.
Signed and sealed in sorrow and wishing you success,
Mordechai Stauber
(HT for Translation to DH and JE)"
Part Two:
Leib Tropper, Have You No Shame?: Why have you always manipulated people around you, both your wives, teachers, students and the rabbis you defer to? How could you not care that your reputation as a womanizer and profligate preceded your final downfall at the hands of woman who was seeking a conversion that you bedded with your wedded wife together? What did you do with all the millions of dollars that Tom Kaplan gave you for your projects? How could you lie to Rav Elyashiv that you wanted to "raise" conversion standards while at the same time you run off to retreats to convince gentiles to convert to Judaism and even cavorted in bed with? When you were mercifully forced to resign in disgrace and leave Monsey (you have gone to jail you know?), why have you not left? Don't you feel the burning shame? Why do you persist with frivolous legal cases in gentile courts against your "enemies"? Don't you get the damage you are doing to the image of baalei teshuva, to Agudath Israel and to the good name of all rabbis with your disgraceful behavior even as you spout your Talmudic "wit"?
Michael Hersh, Have You No Shame? How could you arrange to have your own scrawny kid kidnapped against his will? Is this what you learned when you became frum or is it part of a darker past you hide when you may have belonged to street gangs? How did you manage to become the head of Hatzola in Flatbush Brooklyn, an organization devoted to saving others, when you signed away the life of your own kid to the now shut down "Tranquility Bay" run by Mormons, and abused your own kids? How could you sue almost all of your own wife's family multiple times in court? Have they really done you that much harm? How did you come up with the $411 million amount that you should get "as damages" from almost every member of your wife's family and people who helped your twin sons Sol and Isaac once you abandoned them as early teens? How can you sleep at night knowing that you are dragging the name of your yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin deep into the mud and making fools out its old head rabbi Shechter now obviously suffering from incipient dementia and his gullible son in law Yorkmark who rush to court in your defense? Have you ever considered serious psychotherapy for yourself to cure your problems instead of threatening with fear and waging war in court by frivolous litigation for years? (see Part Three)
Part Three:
Gershon Kranczer, Have You No Shame?
When did you first practice incest? Were you a victim of sexual molestation because that is usually how molesters are incubated and created? Just what was going on in your mind when you spent endless hours on the phone and in real life asking questions from your "da'as Toireh gedoileem" while at the same time, as was uncovered (bad pun here) by authorities that you were cavorting with your own daughters and then even broke your sons into doing it like you? Can you explain yourself in any way, not including denial of course? Are you a secret follower of Shabtai Tzvi and Jacob Frank -- also notorious "rabbis" who broke down Judaism's laws of sexual morality and justified perversions? Are you nuts? How did you get your kids to remain silent for so long? How did you "convince" your wife to shut up and even drive you to the airport to escape justice? What is life like as a fugitive from USA law which you studied yourself at NYU Law School? Who helped you escape and who is hiding you and your son Osher Anshil? Do they know they are abetting a criminal make themselves as guilty as you? What will be the fate of your utterly destroyed and shamed family? Then again, don't you think they are better off without you around to molest them? When will you come out of hiding and face up to the consequences of your actions?
This is not all that could be asked nor should questions be limited to Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer, but if Matzav.com could start with focusing on the likes of this small group of wrongdoers and leave the likes of high-minded clean cut clean as a whistle "Mr. Clean" Harry Maryles alone, then maybe Matzav.com would gain some credibility, until then they are no better than Pravda, the official mouthpiece of Russian failed and reviled communism.
The Guardian
"Silvio Berlusconi investigated in teenage prostitution case
Italian prime minister also suspected of abusing position by putting pressure on police
John Hooper in Rome
guardian.co.uk,
Friday 14 January 2011 11.38 GMT
[Silvio Berlusconi has been formally made a suspect in cases involving teenage prostitution and abuse of position. Photograph: Filippo Monteforte/AFP/Getty Images]
Silvio Berlusconi has been formally placed under investigation on suspicion of paying for sex with a 17-year old girl, according to a statement issued today by prosecutors in Milan.
He was further accused of abusing his position as Italy's prime minister by bringing pressure to bear on the police to cover up his alleged relationship with the girl, who was working as a prostitute. The two alleged offences carry sentences totalling 15 years in jail.
The statement said Berlusconi, who has not been charged, had been invited to present himself for questioning. The prosecutors said he had been formally made a suspect on 21 December, but the news only broke today on the website of the Italian daily Corriere della Sera.
Berlusconi's legal team said today the investigation was "absurd and groundless" and the allegations raised had already been denied by the main figures in the case. They called the inquiry a "very serious interference in the private life" of the prime minister.
The reported investigation concerns Karima el-Mahroug, otherwise known as Ruby Rubacuori or Ruby Heartstealer, a then 17-year-old Moroccan girl who told investigators last year that she had attended parties at Berlusconi's villa near Milan. One of these, she was reported to have said, ended in an erotic game known to participants as "bunga bunga".
The case came to light after Mahroug, first named in some reports as Karima Keyek, was arrested last May on suspicion of theft. She had run away from a care home, but instead of being returned to care she was handed over to a confidante of the prime minister, Nicole Minetti.
A half-British former showgirl, Minetti became Berlusconi's dental hygienist and, soon afterwards, a regional parliamentarian for his Freedom People movement. Corriere said police raided her office in Milan this morning.
Minetti is already under investigation for aiding and abetting prostitution, along with two other close associates of the prime minister, a newscaster on one of his three television channels and a showbusiness talent scout. Corriere reported that the police attempted to search the office of another Berlusconi confidante, but withdrew after it was claimed that the premises were covered by parliamentary immunity.
The age of sexual consent under Italian law is 14, but paying for sex with a prostitute under 18 is an offence that carries a sentence of up to three years. Politicians and others found guilt of abusing their position risk jail sentences of up to 12 years.
Berlusconi, who spent part of this morning meeting with his lawyers, gave no immediate reaction, but his education minister, Mariastella Gelmini, said the prime minister was the "object of persecution by certain prosecution services"."
UOJ, where did this come from? Shmate neeman? or HaIgnaramous? I want to tear it out and save it for the chometz burning ritual
Save it - when a child leaves the fold of Judaism, give this obscenity to their family!
Pinchos Lipschutz did the right thing at the last Rubashkin gathering to attempt to keep the focus on "one" judge, "one" harsh sentence, "one"...... and not attack the entire justice system or the USA...thanks Pinchos for understanding that and putting up the American flag on the podium... one must always acknowledge a good deed....
But this???? An outright assault on our justice system, our country, and any sense of right and wrong!
Beck on AZ Memorial: Obama Truly Was the President of the United States of America.
But this???? An outright assault on our justice system, our country, and any sense of right and wrong!
UOJ, I'm afraid it's a lot more than that. It's an assault on Weingarten's victims. It's an assault on all child sexual abuse victims. It's an assault on child abuse victims' advocates. It's an assault on all of our children. It's an assault on any sense of morality and human decency. Moreover, it's an assault on our holy Torah by these reshaim who pretend to be its followers based on their garb and facial hair. This is the absolute abyss, the 50th level of tumah, the lowest of lows. Like Elior Chen and his supporters, for Weingarten and his gang there is no way out of this abyss.
Matzav, Pinny Yated, Zwiebel, Shafran and Agudah can continue to give their tacit support to such evil. They are only fooling themselves. Nobody is buying their Al Jazeera/Pravda style propaganda anymore. They continue to underestimate the intelligence of the silent majority of the Orthodox community that has HAD IT already with all the scandals, coverups and phony pidyon shvuyim campaigns. We are sick and tired of it all. It's about time all these enablers let the American justice system do its job so that they can prosecute the criminals and remove them from our midst. It's time to give the victims the support and encouragement to go to the police and to testify against their tormentors. It's about time we start supporting the victims and not the criminals. It's time for the silent majority to stop being silent and to come out and attack these perversions- sexaul perversions, perversions of justice and pervsersions of halacha!
Krauthammer said the President rose to occasion, and was unbelievably "inspirational." Krauthammer said the President was "quite remarkable, extremely effective" and "extremely succesful." When Hume was invited to criticize the speech as "political" he defended the President by saying the message was bound to be political since he is, after all, the President. Hume praises the President for adapting to the mood of the audience, and states he is likely to benefit politically from it.
No disagreement here Steve, none!
The damage that was done by the anti-Semitism shrieks by many Rubashkin supporters (not all) has to be addressed, and I believe that Pinny came around on that.
That does not in any way diminish the damage done to Jews, kids, and non-Jewish people and all sane people, by the Agudah and the other mental midgets masquerading as representatives of the Jewish people.
Part One:
News flash, hot of the press, anyone who has seen the latest USA Yated can read the latest denunciation of the Internet by the Moetzes Council of Torah Sages of Agudath Israel of America:
On page 33 of January 14, 2011 Yated Ne'eman, in Hebrew with English translation a full page "Kol Koreh" against the Internet, signed by Rabbis Aron Shechter, Aron Feldman, Avroham Levin, Harari Raful, Dovid Feinstein, Aryeh Kotler, Shmuel Kaminetsky, Yaakov Perlow, Yitzchok Feigelstock, Simcha Eherenfeld.
It's obviously an all-out cyber war and they are running scared. They are implying that the "real" dangers of the net are "offensive images" and other "serious transgressions" so they say "Internet usage should by all means be avoided in homes, and wherever possible, also in business offices" and sure they worry mostly about children who "should not be given internet [sic] access" and if you must have "internet [sic] access" it is "prohibited to have internet [sic] access without filters" and "that internet [sic] users install software that reports their internet [sic] usage to a third party." Signed: "MOETZES GEDOLEI HATORAH OF AMERICA" (all but one in their ninth decade of life and showing it badly.)
Now all this stuff is nothing new, but its timing coming so close on the heels of the attack and ban of the VIN news blog, then the attack on Harry Maryles himself, and now a paid for message (they are paying for it aren't they or do they get free ads in the Yated on demand?), added to others that are being pressured to reduce their critical comments online shows that they are running scared.
Unlike the adage that teaches, "I have met the enemy, and it is me" they live in denial and imagine in such incredibly out of touch words that the "enemy" is the "internet" (it's usually spelled "Internet") that's the "big bad wolf" -- but imagine if for once in their lives they denounced one of their own real-life big bad wolves instead of giving them their full support. (see Part Two)
Part Two:
How about a denunciation and condemnation of the ongoing chilul Hashem by the three amoral and immoral stooges, Tropper-Hersh-Kranczer who in spite of severe crimes that forced their resignations from responsible positions: Tropper was forced to resign from his yeshiva, Hersh was forced to resign from his post as a CEO at Hatzola, Kranczer was forced to resign as head of his school, and with their faults and perversions attested to by close family and associates and revealed in the general media and posted online for the world to see the hypocrisy, the Aguda rabbis have obviously chosen to go to war on fake and false grounds.
Tyrants often start wars by looking for a casus belli (Latin expression meaning the justification for acts of war) and in this case the Haredist rabbis are claiming that it's because of "offensive images" which is admittedly a problem, but that is not the REAL problem that threatens THEM.
Just add up what all the banners are saying against VIN, against Harry Maryles, against the Internet and what comes through loud and clear is that they are in a cold panic about the tearing away of their lies and cover-ups and hypocrisy forcing them to launch their new types of cyber wars against ALL their critics.
But they are fighting a losing battle. Don't they get that the Internet is on every BlackBerry, lots of cell phones, and almost all the hand-held communications devices that almost every chosid and yeshiva guy or girl either owns or uses at home from their parents? Or that E-commerce is bigger than old-fashioned "retail" sales in stores? Or that this is the Information Age and that we're all wired and hooked up and irrevocably linked to computers that is twinned to the Internet at its core no matter which side we look? What nonsense are they saying? Sure kids and adults need self-control, but reading them the riot act as a cover-up for not dealing with bigger problems is not the way to solve klal Yisrael's problems.
Wake up Moetzes no one is fooled by your fake acts of piety. Start dealing with the real problems in your midst, and you will gain some respect from the people you are alienating with your words that fall on deaf ears.
Filed at 4:09 p.m. EST
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service is making it easier for whistle-blowers to collect rewards for turning in big-time tax cheats.
The agency proposed new rules Friday that are expected to jumpstart a 5-year-old whistle-blower program designed to entice people to turn in businesses or individuals trying to bilk the government out of $2 million or more in taxes.
Under the old rules, whistle-blowers could only get rewards if their tips resulted in businesses or individuals paying additional taxes. The new rules would qualify whistle-blowers for rewards if their tips prevented businesses or individuals from claiming fraudulent tax refunds.
Two priests are in a Vatican bathroom using the urinals.
One of them looks at the other one's penis and notices there's a Nicorette patch on it.
He looks at the other priest and says, "I believe you're supposed to put that patch on your arm or shoulder, not your penis".
The other one replies, "It's working just fine. I'm down to two butts a day".
Interesting that Yated USA carries a ban on the Internet when Matzav.com is Pinny Lifshitz's site.
Who do you think is the "Rabbi Rivlin" who attacked Harry Maryles so viciously last week?
Yudi Kolko, still a free man living in Flatush and davening by Weinfeld, dug his car out of the snow last week and offered some Jews a ride.
A young boy saw and said "I would like a ride too, but there is no room left for me is there?"
To which Yudi replied, "No problem, I can shtup you in the back."
"In like fashion, look at the outcry against Moshe Green and the nebech rabbis who went to console sex criminal Yisroel Moshe Weingarten an adult man of 60,"
Where is the outcry? Where is the outcry is n the mainstream yiddish press?
From Frum Follies
http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/
Guest Post by Leo Weingarten
Gimple,
Before I start to refute your assertions, let me challenge you to disclose your full name. As far as I am concerned, I put my name is out there and so should you.
Now before you assert that you “know for a million percent that this whole thing is one big lie” please allow me to point out to you and the readers that a negative is impossible to prove. You can never ever claim that you know that he is one million percent innocent. Therefore, from the beginning we know that you are using hyperbole to argue your view. On the other hand I know that Yisroel Moshe (YM) molested me. Therefore I can easily infer that YM also molested his daughter. In fact, the description of the molestation my niece gave when she testified in open court was eerily very similar to what he did to me. There is no way that she was able to figure out what YM did to me.
In regard to your second assertion, that there is, “NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER from anyone in the world for the other side, besides the girls own words.” To begin with, you gloss over what I am saying; maybe because I am not orthodox, therefore, I don’t count. Well then let me inform you, that there are four nieces and nephews who are married and belong to Satmar who claim that they were also molested too but did not want to testify in open court because of the stigma in the Chasidic community. Furthermore, can you explain to us, why my oldest brother, Yitzchak Lieb, never came to the trial to show any support for YM? And neither did any of his children or the husbands and wives of his children, in total, fifteen adults. Ask yourself why? It was because they knew who the true YM was.
You refer to the Stauber son who you claim was a student of YM after the removal of my niece. Either you are mistaken or you are deliberately lying. The fact is, that he was not a student at the time when my niece was removed from YM’s control. Therefore, stop arguing points that can be easily proven as lies. Moreover, you try to minimize the damage that the Stauber letter inflicted on YM, with this nonsense, “Everyone is pinpointing their fingers to Rabbi Mordchai Stauber’s letter, which itself is nothing more than repeating what the girl said”. Are you arguing that because the pedophile is smart enough to cover his tracks and we only have an accuser, we should never ever believe any molestation victim, because usually there is no other witness? Are you really claiming that it could not happen because you would only believe it if the act were done in public, for all to see, like the story of Zimri and Cozbi? Are you for real?
Your other argument is that there are no Rabbis who support the other side, meaning my niece. To begin with, If possible, let me try to reason with you. Do you expect YM to go to these Rabbis and tell them that indeed he is a pedophile? During the sentencing, the defense pointed out Rabbi Weiss from Israel, and that he came to show unequivocal support for YM. When the Judge started to announce the sentence he was going to impose on YM, he acknowledged Rabbi Weiss, and others who came to support YM. But, the Judge said, ‘it makes perfect sense, that these people believe 100 percent in YM’s innocence, because no sane person would go and tell other Rabbis, about his sexual prowess. Therefore, the judge continued, it is not extraordinary, that they are supporting YM.’ Well do I need to add anything; I say no.
Your other point was, that “ they all investigated and went thru the whole story, and didn’t find ANY evidence on earth that there is any truth in this story.” Well that is a lie. None of these so-called Rabbis ever talked to my niece or to me to ascertain what we had to say. Is it, because we were not Orthodox in 2008? You could say that about us. But how can they really claim that they investigated all the facts surrounding this case, when they never even made a courtesy phone call to either of us. In addition, in 1995-1996 when my niece was only 15-16 years old, she was an orthodox girl. At that point in time, why would she even contemplate a charge of molestation at the tender age of 15? There is no rational explanation, but, that it is true.
Furthermore, you are boasting, “I can go on and on, and write here [,] books of evidence that he is COMPLETELY INNOCENT,” but the fact is, that in this post you did not advance even one argument that actually points to his innocence. Enumerating how many Rabbis support him is not evidence of innocence. So please enlighten us with facts, or don’t try to advance an argument without real proof.
Additionally, you argue “Can you explain me why a Yid like him, a Yerei Shamayim in all Taryag Mitzvos, and known as a holy man by his entire family and Yeshiva, and had no molesting history at all.” Well if he is so holy, please explain to us, why YM was thrown out of the the Nitra Yeshiva when he was around 15-16 for sexual misconduct? Under normal circumstances, I would never equate the sexual exploration of a teenager with pedophilia. But since he was preying on children as an adult I can easily extrapolate that YM, was a pedophile in the making. The Nitra episode was not just sexual exploration.
To add insult to injury, you decided to put down the Beth Din of Rabbi Bentzion Wosner. It could be said, that if I am dismissing the Beth Din, well, I am not orthodox. But what gives you the right to go Beth Din shopping? That is what really happened. YM came to the Beth Din, but when he saw that they had the Stauber letter: YM stormed out and yelled out a NEDER [vow or oath], that he will not ever come to this Beth Din. So how can you claim, that the Beth Din, probably never saw him, when the facts are otherwise.
Finally, you make the bogus statement, “There are many sites on the Internet where you can listen to phone conversations of the mother, and what a low-life she is.” Please allow me to ask, how do you know that no one tampered with the tape. The fact is, that during the trial, YM tried to submit into evidence a tape in Yiddish, purporting to prove that he innocent. But after the US Department of Justice tried to authenticate it, they discovered that is had been tampered and spliced. His lawyers had to withdraw the tape and the Judge mentioned that, (see page 12 note 9 of the ruling of the motion for dismissal. So your argument that the tapes prove that his ex-wife is not religious, cannot, and should not be relied on.
In conclusion, I understand your motive but the fact remains, that you failed to advance even one single argument of fact that has validity. Literally, every point you try to argue is nonsense. Moreover, you expose your illogical critical thinking. I believe that, no matter what you are told, you will not reflect, and change your point of view. Therefore, Gimple, let me be crystal clear; I am writing this, not for you, but for the reading audience.
There is no way that she was able to figure out what YM did to me.
In regard to your second assertion, that there is, “NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER from anyone in the world for the other side, besides the girls own words.” One; you gloss over what I am saying; maybe because I am not orthodox, therefore, I don’t count. Well then let me inform you, that there are four married nieces and nephews in Satmar who claim that they were also molested but did not want to testify in open court, because, of the stigma in the Chasidic community. Furthermore, can you explain to us, why my oldest brother, Yitzchak Lieb, never came to the trial to show any support for YM? And neither did any of his children or the husbands and wives of his children. Ask yourself why? It was because, they knew who the true YM is.
You refer to Stauber’s son, he was a student of YM after the episode. You are either mistaken or you are deliberately lying. The fact is, that he was not a student at the time when my niece was removed from YM’s control. Therefore, stop arguing points that can be easily proven to be lies. Moreover, you try to minimize the damage that the Stauber letter inflicted on YM, with this nonsense, “Everyone is pinpointing their fingers to Rabbi Mordchai Stauber’s letter, which itself is nothing more than repeating what the girl said”. Are you arguing that because the pedophile is smart enough to cover his tracks and we only have an accuser, we should never ever believe any molestation victim, because there is no other witness? Are you really claiming that it could not happen because you would only believe it if the act were done in public, for all to see, like the story of Zimri and Cozbi? Are you for real?
Your other argument is that there are no Rabbis who support the other side, meaning my niece. To begin with, If possible, let me try to reason with you. Do you expect YM to go to these Rabbis and tell them that indeed he is a pedophile? During the sentencing, the defense pointed out Rabbi Tuvia Weiss from Israel, and that he came to show support for YM. When the Judge started to announce the sentence he was going to impose on YM, he acknowledged Rabbi Weiss, and others who came to support YM. But, the Judge said, ‘it makes perfect sense, that these people believe 100 percent in YM’s innocence, because no sane person would go and tell other Rabbis, about his sexual prowess. Therefore, it is not extraordinary, that they are supporting YM.’ Well do I need to add anything; I say no.
Your other point was, that “ they all investigated and went thru the whole story, and didn’t find ANY evidence on earth that there is any truth in this story.” Well that is a lie. None of these so-called Rabbis ever talked to my niece or to me to ascertain what we had to say. Is it, because we were not Orthodox in 2008? You could say that about us. But how can they really claim that they investigated all the facts surrounding this case, when they never even made a courtesy phone call to either of us. In addition, in 1995-1996 when my niece was only 15-16 years old, she was an orthodox girl. At that point in time, why would she even contemplate a charge of molestation at the tender age of 15? There is no rational explanation, but, that it is true.
Furthermore, you are boasting, “I can go on and on, and write here [,] books of evidence that he is COMPLETELY INNOCENT,” but the fact is, that in this post you did not advance even one argument that actually points to his innocence. Enumerating how many Rabbis support him is not evidence of innocence. So please enlighten us with facts, or don’t try to advance an argument without real proof.
Additionally, you argue that “Can you explain me why a Yid like him, a Yerei Shamayim in all Taryag Mitzvos, and known as a holy man by his entire family and Yeshiva, and had no molesting history at all.” Well if he is so holy, please explain to us, why YM was thrown out of the Nitra Yeshiva when he was around 15-16 for sexual misconduct? Under normal circumstances, I would never equate sexual exploration with pedophilia. But since he was preying on children as an adult I can easily infer that YM, was a pedophile in the making. The Nitra episode was not just sexual exploration.
To add insult to injury, you decided to put down the Beth Din of Rabbi Bentzion Wosner. It could be said, that if I disregard a Beth Din, well, I am not orthodox. But what gives you the right to go Beth Din shopping. That is what really happened. YM came to the Beth Din, but then he saw that they had the Stauber letter. YM stormed out and yelled out a NEDER (vow or oath), that he will not ever come to this Beth Din. So how can you claim, that the Beth Din, probably never saw him, when the facts are otherwise.
Finally, you make the bogus statement, “There are many sites on the Internet where you can listen to phone conversations of the mother, and what a low-life she is.” Please allow me to ask, how do you know that no one tampered with the tape. The fact is, that during the trial, YM tried to submit into evidence a tape in Yiddish, purporting to prove that he innocent. But after the US Department of Justice tried to authenticate it, they discovered that is had been tampered and spliced. His lawyers withdrew the tape and the Judge mentioned that, (see page 12 note 9 of the ruling of the motion for dismissal. So your argument that the tapes prove that his ex-wife is not religious, cannot, and should not be relied on.
In conclusion, I understand your motive but the fact remains, that you failed to advance even one single argument of fact that has validity. Literally, every point you try to argue is nonsense. Moreover, you expose your illogical critical thinking. I believe that, no matter what you are told, you will not reflect, and change your point of view. Therefore, Gimple, let me be crystal clear; I am writing this, not for you, but for the reading audience.
Leo (Lipa) Weingarten, January 13. 2011
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