If the chickenpox vaccine lasts 20 years, why not the COVID-19 shot?
Will the third booster shot be our last? Israeli doctors explain the science behind it.
Health worker prepares a Covid-19 vaccine at a temporary Clalit health care center in Jerusalem
The measles vaccine lasts forever. The chickenpox
vaccine is good for as long as 20 years. The DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus
and pertussis) requires five doses before the age of seven, but then it
offers protection for at least 10 years.
So why do we assume that we will have to get a shot of the coronavirus vaccine every six months or year?
There
are reasons why individuals might need a COVID booster at least every
year, but also some reasons why the third shot may, in fact, be our
last.
The
first reason we might need a fourth (or fifth or sixth) shot is because
of the decay of our own antibodies and immune response, explained Dr.
Oren Kobiler of Tel Aviv University’s Sackler Faculty of Medicine.
Recent
studies have shown that the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine wanes after four
to six months, making individuals more prone to infection. A booster dose does exactly what its name implies: It boosts our antibodies, offering greater protection against the virus.
Another
reason we might need repeated shots is due to variants, or what is
known in scientific terms as “antigenic drift.” If the virus is always
changing, then our vaccines will need to be updated to protect against
the latest threat.
Some
viruses, such as polio, measles and mumps, do not change a lot, hence
the vaccines continue to be effective. In contrast, influenza changes
every year, so people receive a new flu vaccine to protect against it.
“The
vaccine is the protection,” said Prof. Meital Gal Tanamy, head of the
Molecular Virology Lab at Bar-Ilan University’s Faculty of Medicine.
“The period of protection is dependent on the vaccine and the virus.”
“A
variant is a virus that contains mutations, and if it has evolutionary
advantages, it can take over in the population,” she said, adding that
this is what happened with the Delta variant. “The other question is how
effective against these variants the vaccines we have will be.”
Coronavirus
is an RNA virus, which means it changes. However, its mutation rate is
three to four times less compared with the influenza virus, which is
good news for vaccine makers, Gal Tanamy said.
Another thing to consider is how good the immune response really is that is induced by the vaccine.
(Novel AY4.2 COVD Delta variant identified in 11-year-old Israeli)
The "Delta Plus" strand has been on the rise in the UK, with British authorities reporting 6% of the positive cases on Tuesday belonging to the AY4.2 strand, according to a Maariv report.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/novel-ay42-covd-delta-variant-identified-in-11-year-old-israeli-682503?_ga=2.33030014.1116449043.1634580035-1969581575.1579377799&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Novel+AY4+2+COVD+Delta+variant+identified+in+11-year-old+Israeli&utm_campaign=October+19%2C+2021+Night&vgo_ee=Jn367jKILnpErXAAhCpdDovy7T5YEJ8ohjC9vauJg30%3D)“If
the purpose of a vaccine is to prevent infection, then it needs to lead
to the creation of a good memory cell response – B cells and T cells
that are cells induced by the vaccine but that stay in our body,” Gal
Tanamy said. “If a person becomes infected, these cells are activated
and can create a fast and good response against the pathogen, which is
why we do not get sick if we are vaccinated.”
The question then is whether or not we get a good memory response with the vaccines that we have.
Recent papers have shown that even as neutralizing antibodies wane, the vaccine still has a good memory response.
So, why take the booster then?
Because,
Kobiler said, the booster is not only stopping serious disease, it is
also aimed at halting infection – a high bar for a vaccine.
“Most
vaccines are used to prevent serious infection and not any infection,”
he said. “Here we are asking the vaccine to prevent any and all disease,
to prevent the infection from spreading.
“Most
people in the world don’t need the booster shot to prevent them from
getting serious disease, but they do need it to prevent them from
getting corona and spreading it to other people.”
Gal
Tanamy stressed that even people with two shots are “still very much
protected from severe disease” because of their memory cells.
But there are also reasons to believe that this third shot could be the last.
Many
childhood vaccines are taken three times and no more, such as the polio
vaccine and the HPV vaccine against the papilloma virus. The latter,
for example, if taken after the age of 15, needs three doses, one month
and six months after the first dose, and then it lasts a lifetime, as
far as scientists currently know.
Another idea is that the administration regime could be altered to make the vaccines more effective.
Several recent papers suggest, for example, that the Pfizer vaccine
creates a more robust immunity if the first and second shots are given
eight or even 12 weeks apart instead of three, Kobiler said.
“Now,
with the third dose being given at six months [after the second dose], I
am not sure we will ever need another booster,” he said.
There
are also scientists who believe that like previous coronaviruses, the
pandemic will eventually become endemic and less severe, and the need to
vaccinate will soon become unnecessary, Kobiler added.
“I
am more inclined to that point of view because of what we know of other
coronaviruses,” he said.
“Usually, they are caught at a young age and
cause very mild disease. And those that are exposed to them at a young
age tend not to suffer from severe disease when they are older.”
Finally,
each booster sparks a better immune response, both in terms of quantity
and quality of antibodies than the one before, Gal Tanamy said. The
immune response becomes “more specific” and the antibodies “more
efficient,” she said.
So, will we or won’t we need to vaccinate against COVID for life?
“Only time will tell,” Kobiler said.
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Paul, what do think about this:
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/covid-19-related-illness-deaths-over-6-weeks-were-fully-vaccinated/38007926
MDH: 30% of Marylanders who died of COVID-related illness over 6 weeks were fully vaccinated
BALTIMORE — There is a better look at the impact of COVID-19 on people in Maryland who are fully vaccinated.
According to the Maryland Department of Health, 30% of those who have died from COVID-related illnesses, between Sept. 1 and Oct.15, were fully vaccinated.
In all, 649 people died in that time frame, which means, according to MDH, that 195 of those deaths were people who received the vaccine.
The health department said many of those people who died also had other health conditions that made them more vulnerable.
Officials released a statement writing, "This further underscores our mission to maintain immunity by urging eligible Marylanders to get their booster shots."
In all, 649 people died in that time frame, which means, according to MDH, that 195 of those deaths were people who received the vaccine.
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How many of those that passed were ill with other conditions that would affect their immune system?
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95119
https://www.axios.com/cdc-data-unvaccinated-coronavirus-deaths-80dc2a35-4cb0-40fd-813e-9e32d272f4f5.html
https://medicalpartnership.usg.edu/covid-19-staggering-statistic-98-to-99-of-americans-dying-are-unvaccinated/
The links you give are back from May-September. I am not saying that folks should not vaccinate. But the recent data shows that 30% still die, perhaps from the more aggressive Delta. Looks like we are slowly shifting back to pre-vaccination times when the virus was stronger than us. In every shul I go to only seldom people wear masks, Jews have to mask up in stores because of the local rules, but otherwise nobody cares any longer. We turn to be the spreaders and we infect those who could not be vaccinated for various reasons. We are doomed...
Nationwide --- The people that die from Covid --- 95%-98% are unvaccinated! Same in Israel! You can not broadbrush a number from one zip code!
That's not just ONE zip code. The entire state! One third (!) of all vaccinated people die from that. Again, I do not side with man like Malkiel Kotler or Shmuel Kamenetsky who are not comfortable with vaccinations. I am just saying that vaccines MAY no longer help enough. Masks, social distance, etc. must go together with vaxes. Otherwise it's a joke.
Of those cases, 1,995 vaccinated Marylanders were hospitalized, representing 11.3% of all Covid cases hospitalized in the state. 261 fully vaccinated Marylanders have died, representing 11.8% of lab-confirmed Covid deaths in the state.
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/10/20/covid-19-in-maryland-717-new-cases-confirmed-22-new-deaths/
Strange: one piece says it's 30%, another - 12%. Different ways to calculate? Yet 12% for fuly vaccinated is a very big number too, should be 0.Something.
This is a horrible disease, every single precaution must be taken not to get sick!
I have two cases I personally know of fully vaccinated people who died of COVID-19. And one person dying shortly after the booster shot! After I got vaccinated, I started feeling some mild chest discomfort every day. I know that's better than dying of the disease but it still bothers me. Any doc I talk to gives me the regular schpiel: Vaccines are safe, effective, complications are low, blah-blah-blah... I think the vaccines are terra incognita, we still do not know much about them. But it's better to be vaccinated than quickly die of COVID-19-20-21. I am very confused with the whole situation. When I reprimand people in shuls that they should not take masks off, they look at me as if I am crazy. Hashem is punishing the world for something, but we keep playing with destiny. These numbers, whatever they are, 12% or 30%, are much alarming.
I received the 2 Pfizer jabs, my arm felt sore for an hour or so, nothing more!
My first Pfizer jab was OK. I did not feel anything, and the arm was not sore at all. After the second shot, the arm was still fine, but like a day or so later I woke up at night *feeling* my heart. I was kinda healthy until then and just knew the heart was somewhere on the left. Since then it bothers me. I read online that the vaccine may cause heart muscle inflammation, guess that's my case. But doctors do not see anything. Well, the doctors I know only see something when it's a terminal stage, anyhow. My neighbors's son is a physician who says his experience shows that the booster shot may be even harder to tolerate for older people, at least that is what he sees on a daily basis.
Everybody's immune system is unique to them. I'm so sorry you are having issues with the jabs.I know so many people, friends and associates that got the vaccines, I can tell you I know of nobody that had any major side effects. (Until now)
Well, besides the physicians, my family and now you nobody knows about my problems. As I said, docs see nothing, but the heart bothers me (is that the "major side effect"?). Maybe your friends just do not share with you how they truly feel? In our Americanized society sick person is a loser, how many times have we been told by folks with flu or cold that they just have "allergies"? That goes on and on.
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